When Will American Shotguns Measure Up? Sad.

[twyacht]

I love my 870 Marine Magnum. Prefer it over the Mossberg. Own a S&W pump action Highway Patrol wood stock scattergun. Nothing says, bad idea, to a bad guy like an American 12g. Even my Stoeger Coach's gun....BUT,.....

The USMC, chose the Benelli M4..... OK, it's bad a**, and was beat up, fired ALOT, unloved, and abused. However, as good and obnoxious as a promo vid can be, where's the ol' Ithaca Trench Re-birth, of a 12g?

Remington, Stoeger,....etc,...? Seems like a FAIL to me on our part to put up something that compares.



Geez....Between the Beretta M9, and the Benelli M4, the HK's for special work,.....I'm starting to wonder like Teddy Roosevelt did consulting Winchester.

"Dear Winchester, Thank you for improving my .405 caliber, as we both know, this is a fine caliber, but you, again, ignored stock dimensions, fit and finish..What does an American President have to do to get a proper rifle? Go to England?"

Excerpts from TR's Journal.

Now our USMC, tested, and beat up any and all shotguns they were offered,...and the best is a Benelli.?

Sad an American manufacturer, has to be outdone by an anti gun continent,...

[tombogan03884]

Remember it's not the "best", it's the last expensive of the best.

[TAB]

Remember it's not the "best", it's the last expensive of the best.

or the one that meets the spec.

the 870 for example does not due to the safety location.

[kmitch200]

or the one that meets the spec.
the 870 for example does not due to the safety location.

Which milspec?  The '83, the '95 or is there a newer one?  
The Mossy passed all the older ones.

[Timothy]

Doesn't the Sec Def's name end with a vowel?

Just saying....Beretta and Benelli both make fine guns but..........we pushed everything overseas in the last twenty five years, we've lost our manufacturing mojo for the most part.

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[billt]

Remember it's not the "best", it's the least expensive of the best.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=252338031

Most run $1,600.00+. The M-2 is a couple hundred cheaper. You can get a nice 870 Police for around half of that.

[Solus]

Doesn't the Sec Def's name end with a vowel?

Just saying....Beretta and Benelli both make fine guns but..........we pushed everything overseas in the last twenty five years, we've lost our manufacturing mojo for the most part.

they have been pushed overseas.....It's like the government is trying to make the manufacture of firearms in this country unnecessary for some reason.

[tombogan03884]

they have been pushed overseas.....It's like the government is trying to make the manufacture of firearms in this country unnecessary for some reason.

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[MikeBjerum]

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+100

It has happened on both sides of the aisle for decades.  Everything is based on cheap - not inexpensive, but cheap.  However, marketing tells us that it is really inexpensive.  What really irks me is that at the same time that they tell us how much more we can buy with our money today, and the more they tell us how they are shoring up and increasing production on our soil, they continue to sign agreements that let everything into our country with no quality control, and they sign regulations that handcuff American manufacturers through expensive labor laws and pollution standards that they will not hold foreign manufacturers to.

We have destroyed our own manufacturing and employment base through our own short sighted consumer mentality.

[fightingquaker13]

+100

It has happened on both sides of the aisle for decades.  Everything is based on cheap - not inexpensive, but cheap.  However, marketing tells us that it is really inexpensive.  What really irks me is that at the same time that they tell us how much more we can buy with our money today, and the more they tell us how they are shoring up and increasing production on our soil, they continue to sign agreements that let everything into our country with no quality control, and they sign regulations that handcuff American manufacturers through expensive labor laws and pollution standards that they will not hold foreign manufacturers to.

We have destroyed our own manufacturing and employment base through our own short sighted consumer mentality.

Its like the Wal-Mart ads that say an average family can save $1200 a year shopping there and buying cheap Chinese crap from a non-union workforce largely (at least here in So. Fl.) made up of non-English speaking immigrants. Its probably true. But guess what?
Saving that $1200 means you are underwriting the loss of manufacturing and other good jobs, along with family owned businesses.Basically, it means that you'll only be able to afford to shop at Wally World (or insert company X) because you'll probably be working for them or someone just like them. They tend to leave that part out of the ads.
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