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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on May 16, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
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You mentioned in that thread about the Gadsden Flag that you "have some issues with the Tea Party"
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=12602.0
Yeah, I know I am opening up a can of worms here.... But just for $hits and giggles, What do you have against the Tea Party ???
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You mentioned in that thread about the Gadsden Flag that you "have some issues with the Tea Party"
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=12602.0
Yeah, I know I am opening up a can of worms here.... But just for $hits and giggles, What do you have against the Tea Party ???
Man, you're a black-belt with that sharp stick. ;D
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Man, you're a black-belt with that sharp stick. ;D
My Glock hand is strong! ;D
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I would like to hear his answer as well.
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I would like to hear his answer as well.
+1
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Whatever his reply, it will be verbose and lacking any true answer....just my opinion!
He might surprise us!
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Whats a cracker ? Does he post here never read anything by him.
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Whats a cracker ? Does he post here never read anything by him.
He is referring to fightingquaker13, AKA Quaker or FQ.
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He is referring to fightingquaker13, AKA Quaker or FQ.
"AKA" ;D
Must.... not.... drift.... thread! :-\ :-X
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Crackers are they good with Tea Parties I thought that was cookies or biscuits.
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Short answer. Mostly a matter of style. I also tend to be more moderate. I'm not out calling them racists or anything. I disgree on some issues. The 2A and immigration excepted. On the whole I think it can be useful, I just wouldn't consider my self a member.
FQ13
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To be honest I'm not fond of the Tea Party either. I was there April fifteenth 2009, before the 'Tea Party' was a prospective political party, and I've been so disappointed with the direction the whole thing's gone. What was a an actual movement for some measure of true freedom and liberty has just been turned into a rebirth of the Republican party. Same Washington folks that we hated a year ago a now telling us that things are going to be different...and for some reason people are buying into it. To many people see an opportunity to gain power through our frustration and they just tell you all what you want to hear.
Now that I'm older and all I don't want to tell folks how to live; the environment, guns, queer folk, financial stuff, Wall Street, drugs, taxes, religion, I just want to let people be to their own business and be left to mine.
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To be honest I'm not fond of the Tea Party either. I was there April fifteenth 2009, before the 'Tea Party' was a prospective political party, and I've been so disappointed with the direction the whole thing's gone. What was a an actual movement for some measure of true freedom and liberty has just been turned into a rebirth of the Republican party. Same Washington folks that we hated a year ago a now telling us that things are going to be different...and for some reason people are buying into it. To many people see an opportunity to gain power through our frustration and they just tell you all what you want to hear.
Now that I'm older and all I don't want to tell folks how to live; the environment, guns, queer folk, financial stuff, Wall Street, drugs, taxes, religion, I just want to let people be to their own business and be left to mine.
Nice sentiment, one that I share. The only problem with the so-called "libertarian" approach is that with statists their business is to eff with us and take away out business - and our liberties, freedoms and rights. They will not leave you alone.
So you're left with 2 options - fight 'em, or retreat to the hills and hunker/bunker down. Neither is very palatable to the mass of sheep in this country, so they bleat and move on with whoever is promising to eff them over the least.
I've recounted how the ND Pubbies have floated 2 miserable candidates for Federal office - almost like thumbing their noses at the populace. But then, that's the same populace that has an overwhelmingly Pubbie state gummint, but has the likes of Conrad, Dorgan and Pomeray - all Dims - in Fed service at the moment.
The Tea Party is only the tip of the iceberg, and those of us who care, need to ensure that the outrage and frustration are fed and worked into real national action.
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But the outrage and frustration, that I too share, I don't feel is being turned into action, not through the Tea Party, not anymore. I've continually gotten the picture that Republicans pander to the the anger to score a few more votes. We need to make sure that we don't get taken off track by a few passionate speeches by people that don't share our motives. We need a set of goals and list out how we're going to achieve them.
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All I hear from the Tea Party is generalized complaints,Illegal Immigration, high taxes, and the Healthcare insult, top the list followed by 2A.
I don't hear any specific suggestions other than "deport all the Mexicans" ( I just read 2 articles in a different thread about Mexican cops busting hundreds fro countries south of them. ) in fact I have said it myself, citing Ike's "Operation Wetback".
Who does the actual rounding up ?
What about "Anchor babies ?
Most importantly how is it funded ?
My comments about rope etc. may be viewed as extreme but at least they are constructive.
I hear a lot of complaining, but no one is standing up to say "Here's what we do, we take all drug enforcement officers in the US to aid the Immigration cops (ICE ?) who will handle administration as well as funding through seized assets, and massive fines to employers who would face Federal conspiracy charges.
Extra funding could be acquired by seizing the US bank accounts of all illegals, the IRS does this all the time."
I'm not hearing positive suggestions, just "they" need to do "something".
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The problem as I see it with the TEA Party movement is, as has been mentioned earlier, that it's been infiltrated by Republicans who are desperately trying to keep their jobs. These people are politicians, after all. Their job description is "tell people what they want to hear to get their vote, then do whatever the hell is in your personal best interest afterward". This country has WAY too many politicians and no statesmen anymore. Instead of just pissing and moaning, if any meaningful change is going to be seen, we must not only point out the problems, but also the solutions, and only support those who pledge to implement those solutions. Then, once they're elected, we need to hold their feet to the fire to keep their word. Let them know, in no uncertain terms, that if they lie to us, or fail to keep their pledge to us, they're out of there. And not only will they be unemployed, but they may well find themselves tarred, feathered, and riding a rail.
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The problem as I see it with the TEA Party movement is, as has been mentioned earlier, that it's been infiltrated by Republicans who are desperately trying to keep their jobs.
Thats right, it has. Those damn RINOs think that the Tea Party is on their side, and that they are a mandate for more of the Republican Party-INO. Those fools dont realize that the Tea Party has come to the forefront because of the RINOs and that they would like nothing more then to VOTE THE BUMS OUT!
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Thats right, it has. Those damn RINOs think that the Tea Party is on their side, and that they are a mandate for more of the Republican Party-INO. Those fools dont realize that the Tea Party has come to the forefront because of the RINOs and that they would like nothing more then to VOTE THE BUMS OUT!
But they'll do everything in their power to make the TEA Party people THINK they're not the RINO's that they are. Sadly, I think many people in the TEA Party movement believe them, maybe just because they want so badly to be able to believe in SOMEBODY in Washington.
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And the conservative Republicans are any better? Since when did W., McConnell and Boehner become Rhinos? The day after Pelosi became a Blue Dog? These are the folks that were incharge when this mess started to gain critical mass. Now they're saying, if it only weren't for the MaCains and Crist's we'd be better off? Sorry, not buying it. Too many Tea Partiers are.
FQ13 who thinks we don't have an idology problem, we have an arrogant self-serving incumbent problem
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If we're ever going to get clean, we need to throw out this disgusting dirty bath water, and stop scrubbing down with mud.
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And the conservative Republicans are any better? Since when did W., McConnell and Boehner become Rhinos? The day after Pelosi became a Blue Dog? These are the folks that were incharge when this mess started to gain critical mass. Now they're saying, if it only weren't for the MaCains and Crist's we'd be better off? Sorry, not buying it. Too many Tea Partiers are.
FQ13 who thinks we don't have an idology problem, we have an arrogant self-serving incumbent problem
In answer to your question, when they started ACTING like RINO's.
I didn't expect you to buy it, much like so many here have a tough time buying your "libertarian" proclamation.
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In answer to your question, when they started ACTING like RINO's.
I didn't expect you to buy it, much like so many here have a tough time buying your "libertarian" proclamation.
Believe what you want tt. I'm telling you this. If you replace every rhino and dem with a conservative in the mold of the current conservative leadership on the hill and don't change that leadership? In 6 years or less we'll be right back here. Rember W. was the right's darling in 2000. Where were we in 2006 in terms of spending, borrowing, arrogance, special interests, immigration etc? Just sayin'.
FQ13
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Believe what you want tt. I'm telling you this. If you replace every rhino and dem with a conservative in the mold of the current conservative leadership on the hill and don't change that leadership? In 6 years or less we'll be right back here. Rember W. was the right's darling in 2000. Where were we in 2006 in terms of spending, borrowing, arrogance, special interests, immigration etc? Just sayin'.
FQ13
The problem is, as I see it, that there is NO "current conservative leadership". The Republican party has done it's level best to rush to the left to take up the positions vacated by the Democrats in their march to socialism. The most attractive conservative candidate to come along in a generation doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the White House because she was so completely trashed by the mainstream media in the last cycle to elect a POTUS. And no matter what she says or does, the people who get their information from Saturday Night Live are gonna believe that she said she could see Russia from her house.
Perhaps I'm just a defeatist, or maybe I'm a realist, but with the current situation I truly fear for the future of our Republic. The battle may well already be lost. The current POTUS was able to fool enough of the people in 2008 to get himself elected, as well as a wide COngressional majority. The damage that's already been done, plus the damage that is to come before the 2012 POTUS election may not EVER be possible to undo without an armed revolution. I hope I'm wrong. But I don't see anybody viable emerging to lead us back to the "shining city on the hill".
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I agree with everything you've said, however the one thing we have going for us THIS year is the November elections. Congress hasn't the balls to pass any meaningful legislatiion in the next five months. It may not stop the Post Turtle in Chief but it will surely slow him down.
A good housecleaning in November might stop him, at least one can hope.
timothy....who wonders why Kagen gets a "wait and see" from the Quaker with NO experience while Palin get's a hands down "No Way she's qualified!"...
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I rate how they are doing by how much squeel I here from Bo Ho and he is squeeling.At least that is something and nothing is perfect but it's a start.Stay pissed and remember November.
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"Post turtle"
I had forgot about that one ;D
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Well, the "Tea Party" has just given us Rand Paul who beat the "Republican Machine" candidate. Also Specter is finally history because many of the dems are fed up with the far left, along with Hussein who is fast turning into poison for whomever he supports politically. Don't sell these people short. If they change the RINOS into real Republicans, like they seem to have done with McCain, what's wrong with that? I'm not getting this?
There seems to be no pleasing some voters. The RINOS see where their stand is taking them, and more of the same will simply provide them with the task of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. This has the opportunity to be the best election for conservatives in this nations history, period. The "Tea Party" is one of the biggest reasons why. Sarah Palin is the second. Others are falling in behind. The country is behind them, and the liberals can't stop them, or the movement to the right with all of their media power. All of this concentrated bitching and moaning about the Arizona Immigration law is going nowhere. These people have no substance, and people who support the "Tea Party" do. That is the only advantage they will need this November. It's time for everyone to get on board this train, or else you'll be walking down the tracks, going nowhere slowly. Bill T.
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McCain is only doing the song and dance to get re-elected.
I would love nothing more then to see him lose. For one, he is the poster boy for RINOs. For two, having the guy they put up for president lose the presidential election and then lose his re-election bid would really shake up the GOP.
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McCain is only doing the song and dance to get re-elected.
I would love nothing more then to see him lose. For one, he is the poster boy for RINOs. For two, having the guy they put up for president lose the presidential election and then lose his re-election bid would really shake up the GOP.
Why are you so bitter toward the only party you've got to stop Hussein? So what if he changed his "dance". If his "song & dance" fits the bill, who the hell cares what his reasons are for doing it?? Look, the first and foremost job of ANY politician is to get reelected, by whatever means necessary. The Republicans desperately need a solid majority to stop Hussein from train wrecking the country like he has proven he will do. Don't be like the idiot's who gave us Hussein to begin with, because they wanted to "spite the Republicans". That's foolish. Take what you can get, when you can get it. Bitch about the rest later. Would you rather see democrats hold their seats and even gain just to "get rid of RINOS". That is precisely the kind of foolish thinking in the voting booth that gave us Hussein in the first place.
Remember, stupid white voters gave us Hussein, not blacks, voter apathy, or the far left. These idiot's hated George Bush so much they would have voted for Hitler to spite the Republicans, who didn't, "play the tune they liked". Now, as a direct result we're sitting on a multi trillion dollar health care entitlement that we cannot afford, along with possible infringements on our freedoms too numerous to list. Are you telling me all of this would have occurred if McCain would have won? No way. This type of political mentality is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Same with not voting for McCain because Palin has "no experience". So now you've got Hussein who has less. Is this better? If you reject RINOS, who by the way I don't like anymore than you, just remember you will get a far worse democrat in the process. That is fact. Would you trade off a sore throat for brain cancer if that were your only choice? Bill T.
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Also consider that the Tea Party realizes that a third party will not change things. I believe they are doing the smart thing by taking over the republican party. Just as the current bunch of socialists took over the Democrat party. The difference is that the Tea Party is open about their intentions.
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Also consider that the Tea Party realizes that a third party will not change things. I believe they are doing the smart thing by taking over the republican party. Just as the current bunch of socialists took over the Democrat party. The difference is that the Tea Party is open about their intentions.
Very good point. They, (Republicans), hopefully learned their lesson with Ross Perot. A "True Patriot" who split the Republican vote, and in the process gave us Bill Clinton twice with less than 50% of the vote. As the saying goes, "A house divided against itself cannot stand". The democrats learned this long ago. The Republicans damn well better start, or they'll be very little left of this country as we now know it. Bill T.
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Why are you so bitter toward the only party you've got to stop Hussein? So what if he changed his "dance". If his "song & dance" fits the bill, who the hell cares what his reasons are for doing it??
Because after November he will return to the same old John McCain and he will be standing right there next to Obama trying to push amnesty. Make no mistake, McCain is one of the bums that needs to go.
I dont live in AZ but if I did, I would not vote for McCain in a primary. I would vote for him in the general election (I voted for him for President). But I want to see him lose the primary, so that a conservative (I almost typed republican) can take his office.
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Why are you so bitter toward the only party you've got to stop Hussein? So what if he changed his "dance". If his "song & dance" fits the bill, who the hell cares what his reasons are for doing it?? Look, the first and foremost job of ANY politician is to get reelected, by whatever means necessary. The Republicans desperately need a solid majority to stop Hussein from train wrecking the country like he has proven he will do. Don't be like the idiot's who gave us Hussein to begin with, because they wanted to "spite the Republicans". That's foolish. Take what you can get, when you can get it. Bitch about the rest later. Would you rather see democrats hold their seats and even gain just to "get rid of RINOS". That is precisely the kind of foolish thinking in the voting booth that gave us Hussein in the first place.
Remember, stupid white voters gave us Hussein, not blacks, voter apathy, or the far left. These idiot's hated George Bush so much they would have voted for Hitler to spite the Republicans, who didn't, "play the tune they liked". Now, as a direct result we're sitting on a multi trillion dollar health care entitlement that we cannot afford, along with possible infringements on our freedoms too numerous to list. Are you telling me all of this would have occurred if McCain would have won? No way. This type of political mentality is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Same with not voting for McCain because Palin has "no experience". So now you've got Hussein who has less. Is this better? If you reject RINOS, who by the way I don't like anymore than you, just remember you will get a far worse democrat in the process. That is fact. Would you trade off a sore throat for brain cancer if that were your only choice? Bill T.
McCain did not lose the election, the sleazy POS threw the election, most of the time he sounded like he was campaigning FOR Obummer, hell, his people crapped on Palin as much as the Dems did.
Bill, What difference is there in having an unknown Dem or a known Rino in an office. At least with the Dem there may be enough self interest to keep the voters happy while with the RINO you've got a cog in the party6 machine who doesn't give a rats azz what the voters want.
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Bill, What difference is there in having an unknown Dem or a known Rino in an office. At least with the Dem there may be enough self interest to keep the voters happy while with the RINO you've got a cog in the party6 machine who doesn't give a rats azz what the voters want.
These people aren't stupid. It's the reason McCain is now changing his tune. A year ago he didn't give a damn about securing the border. Now he, as well as other Republicans, see Jan Brewer's popularity has gone off the chart with conservative Republicans, since she has made border security her battle cry. She'll win the governorship easily in November. Just 2 months ago she was trailing in the cellar. She was so down, Joe Arpaio was even going to run. As soon as Brewer left the launching pad, he pulled out. These so called "RINOS" will do what the their voters want, or they'll be gone. It's just that simple. The old timer "Republican Machine" with guys like McCain is gone. Look at what happened to Specter. An old dog who went home to die. No one has a use for him. Guys like McCain see this and damn well better come around to it if they want to remain in politics.
An unknown democrat is a dangerous democrat. Why take a chance? With McCain, who now wants a secure border, you know what you are getting. They've all learned from Hussein. He campaigned on "Change". No one knew what kind, and were too stupid to ask. He was an "unknown democrat". Stupid whites bought into his hopey, changy bull$h!t, and now look where we're at. I don't like to "take a chance" on unknown candidates simply because of what happened with Hussein. I'd rather take a chance on a guy who has hopefully seen the light, and the way the country is going, and has adapted to it. His vote goes into the right column, just the same as if he had been screaming it from day one. Remember this is a numbers game, not a personality game. Bill T.
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I dont live in AZ but if I did, I would not vote for McCain in a primary. I would vote for him in the general election (I voted for him for President). But I want to see him lose the primary, so that a conservative (I almost typed republican) can take his office.
If you don't vote for McCain you'll be punching J.D. Hayworth's card, and believe me he's far worse. An ex local TV weather forecaster and talk show host. He spends worse than Hussein. No matter what, STAY AWAY FROM DEMOCRATS! After what Hussein has done, and is continuing to do, I shouldn't even have to be saying that! Bill T.
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You do remember McCain Kennedy don't you ?
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I'm not defending McCain in the least. He never was my favorite guy, but with that said all of the alternatives are far worse. This silly thinking about taking a chance on an unknown democrat scares me a hell of a lot more than McCain could on his worse day. People in this country "took a chance" on Hussein, and now most regret it. At least McCain is now trying to get some border security passed when he stood opposed just a year ago. Yeah, he flip flopped. Yeah, he wants to get reelected. All that aside he is smart enough to realize in this political climate the old John McCain has a snowball in hells chance of surviving.
J.D. Hayworth is a clown and an opportunist far worse than McCain, and I don't even want to discuss whoever his democratic opponent will be because whoever he or she is, they'll do everything possible to get this immigration law changed, or repealed. McCain is trying to adapt. He knows he must or he'll be gone. You are going to see many other Republicans doing much the same. This is a good thing. Hussein sure as hell isn't "adapting" to anything or anyone. He's doing exactly as he promised. He's delivering "change". Bill T.
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McCain is up by 12 points..... he will be fine.
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McCain is up by 12 points..... he will be fine.
It's hard to unseat an incumbent simply because of the advantage they have in money and campaign help in getting reelected. I'm not thrilled about McCain. With his current point of view, I just feel a tad safer with him over Hayworth. We had Hayworth before so it's not like he doesn't have an unestablished track record. And it's one you can bet McCain will attack. He voted for too much spending. That's a death sentence in politics today. Bill T.
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It's hard to unseat an incumbent simply because of the advantage they have in money and campaign help in getting reelected. I'm not thrilled about McCain. With his current point of view, I just feel a tad safer with him over Hayworth. We had Hayworth before so it's not like he doesn't have an unestablished track record. And it's one you can bet McCain will attack. He voted for too much spending. That's a death sentence in politics today. Bill T.
I think it is also the fact that the people of AZ really like the guy.
*Step back from the emotion and re-read your posts in this thread again as if someone else wrote them about some other politician in some other state.... can you see how that approach on a macro level has given incumbents a 90% re-election rate and how it has gotten us into the place where "vote the bums out" has become such a household phrase? I totally get what you are saying and I am not trying to say you are wrong (I would not vote for a Dem to oust McCain), but my feeling is that the best thing we could do for our country is to get ALL the career politicians out of office.
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I think it is also the fact that the people of AZ really like the guy.
*Step back from the emotion and re-read your posts in this thread again as if someone else wrote them about some other politician in some other state.... can you see how that approach on a macro level has given incumbents a 90% re-election rate and how it has gotten us into the place where "vote the bums out" has become such a household phrase? I totally get what you are saying and I am not trying to say you are wrong (I would not vote for a Dem to oust McCain), but my feeling is that the best thing we could do for our country is to get ALL the career politicians out of office.
And again, the earth stands still. Eric and I agree politically! :o Everyone hates Congress. They also like their Congressman, largely because he is "effective" (translation brings home the bacon). Until we can do what Eric suggests and look at our own reps of whichever party with detachment and say "So long and thanks for the fish", we are spinning our wheels.
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Your first sentence is correct. A lot of retired people live here, and most like McCain because they are comfortable with him. He has always been big on Medicare and S.S. issues.
I can face facts about incumbents. You will never get them all out of office. It will never happen. What is brewing to happen in November is about as close as you're going to get. That's the way it is. You are not going to overhaul an entire government because people got pissed 18 months into a $h!tty administration. I don't think term limits would necessarily be a good thing because the political climate could change too quickly. Look at the Second Amendment. You get a whole new crew in every 2 years and what is going to happen to it? Get a big liberal take over for 2 years and they could do harm that couldn't be reversed.
Look at Hussein's health care bill. It will be all but impossible to reverse. It never should have happened in the first place. But these idiot's wanted "change". Sure, now they're crying, too little too late. Term limits are not the answer, and the "throw all the bums out" attitude will never happen. Having more than 2 parties is not an answer because no matter who gets elected 2/3's of the people will hate his guts.
It's best to work within the system we've got. It is the best form of government yet devised. Sometimes it just doesn't seem that way when you get a bunch of idiot's in there like we've got now, or had for that matter with Bush. When a Republican is in the dems say it sucks. When the dems are in we whine. That will never stop regardless of what you do to the system. Bill T.
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Hate to be the A hole that points this out, (Not really, ;D )
But since this is PRIMARY season, ( the Elections are in Nov. ) the RINO's are not running against the Dem candidate's, but against other Republicans.
This is the time to take back the party, do not let the bum get on the ballet in Nov.
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I think term limits would stop the curroption in washington, and end our elected representatives thumbing their nose at their constituents. It would not allow people to get filthy rich by being in "public service" and it would result in people that want to be there for the good of the nation. It would also go a very long way to stop the hijacking of our country that is taking place right now.
You make a good point about volatility, but the flip side of that coin is that extremists like Ted Kennedy, Pelosi, Schummer, etc would only be there a couple of years and the damage they could do would be minimal.... Just imagine if Obama was not facing term limits in the Oval Office.
P.S. I am also in favor of term limits for laws (not the constitution/bill of rights/amendments made to the constitution)... If the law is not worthwhile enough to renew every few years, then let it die (ex: Clinton AWB)
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Just imagine if Obama was not facing term limits in the Oval Office.
He's a one term President with or without term limits. His approval rating, along with his inability to care what the public wants or thinks will assure his demise. It is also going to prove the undoing of several incumbents without term limits, or a "throw the bums out" philosophy. Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid to name just two. Our system corrects itself. It may take awhile in some cases, but politics can't run on emotion. It gets to volatile. You can't have a quick change government with musical chairs for all laws and legislators. It would be anarchy.
People say the same thing about the Electro College. Remove it and you'll remove the vote from rural America and the much more liberal left wing cities would rule the country unchecked. If you study our system it always seem to survive the armchair quarterbacking. There is a reason why. Bill T.
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People say the same thing about the Electro College. Remove it and you'll remove the vote from rural America and the much more liberal left wing cities would rule the country unchecked. If you study our system it always seem to survive the armchair quarterbacking. There is a reason why. Bill T.
Damn Bill! Have you been reading my lecture notes? I give that one t least twice a year and have been for the last 15 years. I'd say well said, but it would sound like bragging. ;D
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People say the same thing about the Electro College. Remove it and you'll remove the vote from rural America and the much more liberal left wing cities would rule the country unchecked. If you study our system it always seem to survive the armchair quarterbacking. There is a reason why. Bill T.
I guess the moral of the story is that the Founding Fathers were smarter than we are, and REALLY knew what the hell they were doing.
I fear your comment about the post turtle being a one-term POTUS may be premature, however. If the Republicans pick up the number of seats that look probable this fall, we may be stuck with BHO for a 2nd term. Here's why I say that: A Republican majority in one or both houses next session would shut down BHO's ability to continue to shove his socialist agenda down the throats of "we the people". My fear is that voters have a short memory. If BHO is neutered by a Republican Congress, by the time 2012 rolls around a lot of people may have not only forgotten WHY they were pissed two years earlier, but forgotten about even BEING pissed. Combine that with the fact that in 2008 the idiot demonstrated his abilities as a campaigner, and we may have a recipe for a 2nd term for the "Windy City's Favorite F**khead"! If that occurs, especially if there is a democrat rebound in Congressional seats in 2012, the following 4 years could be a VERY bumpy ride for this country. I pray that I'm wrong. I pray that I'm overthinking this shit.
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I guess the moral of the story is that the Founding Fathers were smarter than we are, and REALLY knew what the hell they were doing.
I fear your comment about the post turtle being a one-term POTUS may be premature, however. If the Republicans pick up the number of seats that look probable this fall, we may be stuck with BHO for a 2nd term. Here's why I say that: A Republican majority in one or both houses next session would shut down BHO's ability to continue to shove his socialist agenda down the throats of "we the people". My fear is that voters have a short memory. If BHO is neutered by a Republican Congress, by the time 2012 rolls around a lot of people may have not only forgotten WHY they were pissed two years earlier, but forgotten about even BEING pissed. Combine that with the fact that in 2008 the idiot demonstrated his abilities as a campaigner, and we may have a recipe for a 2nd term for the "Windy City's Favorite F**khead"! If that occurs, especially if there is a democrat rebound in Congressional seats in 2012, the following 4 years could be a VERY bumpy ride for this country. I pray that I'm wrong. I pray that I'm overthinking this shit.
You are exactly right. Clinton had very poor approval ratings his 1st term as well, and then once GOP took over congress it became a defacto small govt b/c of gridlock and people were more then happy to sign bubba up for another term.
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If we did get him for a second term it would be as you say with a GOP House and Senate. That isn't so bad because it causes political gridlock. I don't know about you, but I'm real comfortable having all of these guys bitch at one another and do nothing, rather than what they're doing now. Bill T.
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If we did get him for a second term it would be as you say with a GOP House and Senate. That isn't so bad because it causes political gridlock. I don't know about you, but I'm real comfortable having all of these guys bitch at one another and do nothing, rather than what they're doing now. Bill T.
Indeed. The government that governs least governs best. I'll take gridlock over someone with an ambitious agenda that they can get passed by a docile Congress any day. As evidence I'll offer W.'s tax cuts, with no spending cuts to offset them and BOs health care.
FQ13 who has, after deliberation, come to see divided government as a good thing.
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But idealy I want the man at the top to be a conservative and then the dems to have congress..... The power of those appointments (supreme court and all others) can shape this country in an unaccountable way. Lets not forget that Obama himself said the way he would bring about his fundemental change would be through the courts.
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But idealy I want the man at the top to be a conservative and then the dems to have congress..... The power of those appointments (supreme court and all others) can shape this country in an unaccountable way. Lets not forget that Obama himself said the way he would bring about his fundemental change would be through the courts.
Yeah, but how well does that work out? Nixon thought Earl Warren (the guy who intered the Japanese) would be a rock ribbed conservative. The pro-choice movement got its panties in a twist over Souter. Breyer is getting more right wing on law and order by the day. A president can make a difference on the Court. Just not always the difference they wanted. It all comes out in the wash over the long haul as Bill has said. Foreign policy is really the only area where the President can do what he wants.
FQ13
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Two words: Judge Soto
Yikes!
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It's a bit like having put up with too much of your kid. In frustration you tell him, "Here, take daddy's 9 MM and go outside and play." Bill T.