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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on June 30, 2010, 08:40:38 PM
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Told ya so!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/29/sen-al-franken-naps-draws-cartoons-kagan-hearings/
*Looks like he is a pretty good artist.
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Minnesota should be proud.
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Minnesota should be proud.
I just got off the phone with my big sister in the Twin Cities.....
She's not
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Told ya so!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/29/sen-al-franken-naps-draws-cartoons-kagan-hearings/
*Looks like he is a pretty good artist.
Well, at least he found something he could be good at....comedy and public service seem to be his shortcomings.
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Quoth Kagan:
Kagan herself has expressed a profound scorn for Senate confirmation hearings, which she described as empty "lessons of cynicism" — a "vapid and hollow charade" that replace important legal discussions with repetitive platitudes.
Here at long last is something she, I and apparently Franken can agree on. Yet here's a radical idea! Don't give a canned speech, ask a hard question. What do you think of the Slaughter-House Cases and why? What about the Prerequisite Cases? Really? How does that square with Black Elk vs US? What about Miranda? Rightly decided or not? Roe vs Casey? Does eliminating the trimester rule effect the basic principle established in Baird vs Connecticut? Justice Taney's view of substantive due process, does it have merit? If so is Dredd Scott good law?
For Gods sake make the appointee sweat! Its the best job in the legal community. The interview ought to be at least as hard as your first year Con law exam. Note to Senators: No one cares what you think. Do your job and hold their feet to the fire. If you don't ask questions that will either reduce them to a stammering wreck if they are unprepared or give them a chance to shine if they are, you have a very different attitude towards exams than I do.
FQ13 who gives orals to his seniors and has mastered the art of giving a blank face at the end of a thesis defense and asking, "Well, that was informative I suppose, but do you have anything else to add"? ;D I am an evil SOB, but it does weed out the sheep from the goats. A confident NO is the right answer, stammered BS indicates it needs more work, we'll reschedule for next week. For SC nominees,, there is no rescheduling.
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I'm surprised you ever heard of Black Elk.
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I'm surprised you ever heard of Black Elk.
Its a classic, and a black eye to the Constitution. "Domestic dependent nations" indeed. A fancy way of saying you have no rights because we say so. Kind of like declaring an American citizen an "enemy combatent". Nice try, but no. If we defend the Comnstitution, we live by it. If we think we can put it away when it suits our purposes? Well, get off my obstacle Pyle!
FQ13
PS how did you score on Eric's "Libertarian purity test"?
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Lower than I would have if it did not ask about bombing civilians ;D
But you are missing the point about "Domestic dependent nations".
You are looking at it in 21st century context of Everyone is equal blah blah blah.
It takes on a different look when you remember that few Americans would have had any qualms about exterminating the entire race of "savages". When you listen to the whining from these dole moochers, you think it might not have been such a bad Idea. By the way, that only applied to those who chose to stay on the Res. Not to those who decided to assimilate and get JOBS.
But I was referring to Black Elk himself.
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Lower than I would have if it did not ask about bombing civilians ;D
But you are missing the point about "Domestic dependent nations".
You are looking at it in 21st century context of Everyone is equal blah blah blah.
It takes on a different look when you remember that few Americans would have had any qualms about exterminating the entire race of "savages". When you listen to the whining from these dole moochers, you think it might not have been such a bad Idea. By the way, that only applied to those who chose to stay on the Res. Not to those who decided to assimilate and get JOBS.
But I was referring to Black Elk himself.
My take on "Black Elk" is this: All those born or naturalized. What part of this did the Court fail to understand? The whole reservation system and the BIA should have been thrown out. You're all American citizens, here's some land you own collectively, deal with it as you will.
FQ13 who feels his Libertarian score is growing ;D
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My take on "Black Elk" is this: All those born or naturalized. What part of this did the Court fail to understand? The whole reservation system and the BIA should have been thrown out. You're all American citizens, here's some land you own collectively, deal with it as you will.
FQ13 who feels his Libertarian score is growing ;D
That's where you are wrong, by remaining on the Res they retain their status as "Free Nations" they ARE NOT US Citizens. The large number of Indians who have served in the US Armed Forces , ALL volunteered, Indian's can't be drafted .
There is no requirement to remain on the Res. which with out Gambling, are usually little better than refugee camps, But if they leave they lose their Allotment.
Just like they did with the land its self, they are selling their rights to KEEP the boot on their neck.
But since you are so fixed on the obscure case, I assume you know squat about a visionary who witnessed the Custer battle as a young boy.
"Black Elk Speaks", I forget the Author or publisher, Some one else can supply them, I KNOW MB has read it ;D
Dee Brown did not write the WHOLE story, also read "Lame Deer, Seeker of visions "
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That's where you are wrong, by remaining on the Res they retain their status as "Free Nations" they ARE NOT US Citizens. The large number of Indians who have served in the US Armed Forces , ALL volunteered, Indian's can't be drafted .
There is no requirement to remain on the Res. which with out Gambling, are usually little better than refugee camps, But if they leave they lose their Allotment.
Just like they did with the land its self, they are selling their rights to KEEP the boot on their neck.
But since you are so fixed on the obscure case, I assume you know squat about a visionary who witnessed the Custer battle as a young boy.
"Black Elk Speaks", I forget the Author or publisher, Some one else can supply them, I KNOW MB has read it ;D
Dee Brown did not write the WHOLE story, also read "Lame Deer, Seeker of visions "
Until 1920, they didn't have the option of leaving. This was what Black Elk attempted to do. He basically said "Screw it, enough of this. I'll take my chances in the white man's world and assimilate as a citizen". He was denied that right. A man born in this country was denied the right to be a citizen that was granted to a fresh off the boat European immigrant. To me that is shameful, and its why I am annoyed by this case. As for folks choosing to stay onn the res, well, that's their call as sad as it may be. It doesn't change the fact that Court could have ended the nonsence by applying the 14A as it was written.
FQ!3
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Until 1920, they didn't have the option of leaving. This was what Black Elk attempted to do. He basically said "Screw it, enough of this. I'll take my chances in the white man's world and assimilate as a citizen". He was denied that right. A man born in this country was denied the right to be a citizen that was granted to a fresh off the boat European immigrant. To me that is shameful, and its why I am annoyed by this case. As for folks choosing to stay onn the res, well, that's their call as sad as it may be. It doesn't change the fact that Court could have ended the nonsence by applying the 14A as it was written.
FQ!3
Dude, This is where you are off track. He was NOT "Born in this country", He was born in a FREE Lakota Nation, he was no more an American than some one born in Quebec.
The original purpose of the Res. were as concentration points for Enemy combatants and their families, they were in fact big POW cages.
He sued in the 20's ?
The last recorded Indian raid was in Az. in 1931.
You seem to know a lot about the case.
If you knew anything about the Man, you would realize that much of the Foolishness you spout as "Libertarian", is what led to the black road.
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FQ13 who gives orals to his seniors.
Fire at will!
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Fire at will!
I should have specified. Only if they're cute. ;D Perv.
FQ13 Who has only slept with one student and she was ten years older than me and an E-7 in the chair force. I don't think I damaged her innocence. ;)
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"Black Elk Speaks", I forget the Author or publisher, Some one else can supply them, I KNOW MB has read it ;D
Dee Brown did not write the WHOLE story, also read "Lame Deer, Seeker of visions "
Dee Brown wrote "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee". John Neihardt wrote "Black Elk Speaks".
Had both for years. Good books, but with some controversy as to the telling of Black Elk's story.
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Elk-Speaks-Being-Oglala/dp/0803283598
Because the book shows John Neihardt as the author of the book and not just the editor, there has been controversy in academic circles and native circles, significantly that of Indiana University professor Raymond DeMallie, as to the accuracy of the story from Black Elk's point of view. To make this book, Black Elk spoke to his son who translated the story into English for John Neihardt and his daughter to record. The primary argument made by DeMallie and others is that Neihardt, being the author and editor, was able to exaggerate or change some parts of the story and did so to make the story more palatable and marketable to a white audience in the 1930s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Elk_Speaks
http://www.amazon.com/Bury-My-Heart-Wounded-Knee/dp/0805066691
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FQ13 who gives orals to his seniors.
Fire at will!
I saw that....and was waiting ...patiently....thanks for not disappointing!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Outside of a few "real" questions, which she was so well coached on, and BS'd her answer,....Just like Sotomayor, who said during her confirmation circus, that the 2nd Amend and Heller are established law, what was her position this week on McDonald?
Liked the question about that teenager movie "New Moon", and the love fest between the Libs and Kagan.....
She's a progressive/liberal rubber stamp of BHO, and we all know it.
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Minnesota should be proud.
I can't discuss it due to the black 'copters and such >:(
By the way ... Have I ever mentioned the way our wonderful liberal state handed him the seat in the most illegal games of any recount ever had?
Thanks for screwing my blood pressure up another 192 points >:( Again >:(
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Dee Brown wrote "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee". John Neihardt wrote "Black Elk Speaks".
Had both for years. Good books, but with some controversy as to the telling of Black Elk's story.
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Elk-Speaks-Being-Oglala/dp/0803283598http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Elk_Speaks
http://www.amazon.com/Bury-My-Heart-Wounded-Knee/dp/0805066691
Sorry Peg, I phrased that badly. It should have been more like, Dee Brown did not tell the whole story of the indians, Black Elk and "Lame Deer, Seeker of visions " tells another side of the story.
Thanks for coming up with John Neihardt's name ;D
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I can't discuss it due to the black 'copters and such >:(
By the way ... Have I ever mentioned the way our wonderful liberal state handed him the seat in the most illegal games of any recount ever had?
Thanks for screwing my blood pressure up another 192 points >:( Again >:(
Cardiac arrest, just one more service we provide. ;D
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" Al Franken Naps, Draws Cartoons During Kagan Hearings"
Good deal, maybe we should send him a deck of cards so he can play solitare, (OK, hand held games, ;D ).
The alternative is he actually tries to participate in Congress. :o
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" Al Franken Naps, Draws Cartoons During Kagan Hearings"
Good deal, maybe we should send him a deck of cards so he can play solitare, (OK, hand held games, ;D ).
The alternative is he actually tries to participate in Congress. :o
Good point, like the guy in Florida looking at porn.....we might be better off letting them do that than actually trying to do something destructive.
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Good point, like the guy in Florida looking at porn.....we might be better off letting them do that than actually trying to do something destructive.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves.... he will still vote for her. >:(
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Lets not get ahead of ourselves.... he will still vote for her. >:(
Oh shoot yeah buddy, that's a given....he's typical party liner, no doubt there.
I'm just referring to keeping guys like him busy doing silly crap so maybe they don't think of newer, sillier crap to throw at us down the line.......
*(Guam is tilting).
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This is the thing. Its the one point I agree with Kagan on. These hearings are a farce. Barring an epic gaffe, or someone giving a stellar response to a waivering senator, they are uselsess. The Senators give speeches, or cross examinations. They don't ask hard legal questions to learn about judicial philosophy. The nominess provide bland pablum that reveals as little a posible and ofends no one. iisaid before, I wanted to hear from her. I have. The answer is no. However I really do feel there is an obligation to listen before passing judgement. Its just about good manners and proffesional resposibility. She hasn't changed my mind. Now the farce continues. Dems will vote yes, GOP will vote no, and the fact that 5 is a bigger number than 4 wil continue to be our guiding Con law principle. >:(
FQ13
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and doggonit "People Like Me"...
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/smalley.jpg)
Gee FQ, care to expand on "Con Law Principles?"
Please enlighten us.
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and doggonit "People Like Me"...
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/smalley.jpg)
Gee FQ, care to expand on "Con Law Principles?"
Please enlighten us.
Dems will vote for Dems, GOP for GOP unless there is an utter moron (think Harriet Myers) proposed. If they pass the "must be at least as tall as this sign" test, its rare to see the Presidents party vote against the nominee. The reverse is not true. A number of Dems voted for Roberts and several GOP for Sotomayor.
FQ13