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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on March 13, 2011, 05:49:20 PM
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President Barack Obama Special To The Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:00 am
t's been more than two months since the tragedy in Tucson stunned the nation. It was a moment when we came together as one people to mourn and to pray for those we lost. And in the attack's turbulent wake, Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing, assigning blame or playing politics with other people's pain.
But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.
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Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.
The fact is, almost all gun owners in America are highly responsible. They're our friends and neighbors. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept. Likewise, advocates for gun owners should accept the awful reality that gun violence affects Americans everywhere, whether on the streets of Chicago or at a supermarket in Tucson.
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• First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.
• Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.
• Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.
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Clearly, there's more we can do to prevent gun violence. But I want this to at least be the beginning of a new discussion on how we can keep America safe for all our people.
I know some aren't interested in participating. Some will say that anything short of the most sweeping anti-gun legislation is a capitulation to the gun lobby. Others will predictably cast any discussion as the opening salvo in a wild-eyed scheme to take away everybody's guns. And such hyperbole will become the fodder for overheated fundraising letters.
But I have more faith in the American people than that. Most gun-control advocates know that most gun owners are responsible citizens. Most gun owners know that the word "commonsense" isn't a code word for "confiscation." And none of us should be willing to remain passive in the face of violence or resigned to watching helplessly as another rampage unfolds on television.
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President Barack Obama Special To The Arizona Daily Star
SPECIAL: As opposed to the Barch Obama MAGNUM
• ........to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun.
• .........states that provide the best data
• ..........an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system ............and make sure criminal can't escape it.
Unh Huh.
So who decides who are the "right" people?
Give government more data to control your life.
Try and get your name OFF the list, if it ends up there accidentally
So wait. If you're one of the "wrong" people then you're a criminal?
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Alf,
Ya gotta admit that what he proposes is what we all want (in GENERAL terms). He did even say that people are allowed to own guns for protection. They buy their guns legally and use them safely, whether for hunting or target shooting, collection or protection. And that's something that gun-safety advocates need to accept.
I say at this point we act like Reagan "Trust BUT verify".
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In the words of my Father-In-Law, "Don't listen to what BHO says, watch out for what he does."
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In the words of my Father-In-Law, "Don't listen to what BHO says, watch out for what he does."
I try not to listen to him my ears start to bleed
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Enforce the laws against murder, rape and robbery with realistic sentences and the rest will solve itself.
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Enforce the laws against murder, rape and robbery with realistic sentences and the rest will solve itself.
ahh so you have the same issue than we do ::)
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It's all bullsh!t.
What good is "gun control" when I know 2 ways to kill with a rolled up magazine ?
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Only two? Amateur... ;D ;D
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President Barack Obama Special To The Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:00 am
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But one clear and terrible fact remains. A man our Army rejected as unfit for service; a man one of our colleges deemed too unstable for studies; a man apparently bent on violence, was able to walk into a store and buy a gun.
The Tucson tragedy, every 'active shooter' tragedy and ALL of the gang killlings from San Diego to New York in the last 100 years aren't a drop in the bucket compared to the number of deaths perpetrated by governments who controlled, restricted and ultimately banned their peoples right to firearms.
BHusseinO doesn't get it and never will.
Whether by edict or slow erosion of rights like we have had since 1934, giving the govt more power will end up the same way. Us being screwed. To control them, you MUST know where they are and who owns them.
Of course you have to register them now! If you're not a criminal you don't have anything to hide right?
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The Tucson tragedy, every 'active shooter' tragedy and ALL of the gang killlings from San Diego to New York in the last 100 years aren't a drop in the bucket compared to the number of deaths perpetrated by governments who controlled, restricted and ultimately banned their peoples right to firearms.
BHusseinO doesn't get it and never will.
Whether by edict or slow erosion of rights like we have had since 1934, giving the govt more power will end up the same way. Us being screwed. To control them, you MUST know where they are and who owns them.
Of course you have to register them now! If you're not a criminal you don't have anything to hide right?
I like to keep my options open ;D
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Anybody remember this??? http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-delivers-whispered-untelevised-speech-on-gun,19068/
Check the date.
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Anybody remember this??? http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-delivers-whispered-untelevised-speech-on-gun,19068/
Check the date.
its from the onion... its a made up news paper...
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What does it take to get the do gooders to covert this to a one word problem - VIOLENCE"?
It isn't about guns, knives, clubs, whips, chains, cars or fists. It is about violence, and until society learns to deal with inappropriate expression of anger and frustration they will never be able to ban enough tools to make Polly Anna Brady feel safe.
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its from the onion... its a made up news paper...
Yeah, exactly. And they nailed it.
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What does it take to get the do gooders to covert this to a one word problem - VIOLENCE"?
It isn't about guns, knives, clubs, whips, chains, cars or fists. It is about violence, and until society learns to deal with inappropriate expression of anger and frustration they will never be able to ban enough tools to make Polly Anna Brady feel safe.
They are not "do gooder's", they are evil.
It's just a smoke screen. It has nothing to do with violence.
It's about control.
If it really were about violence judges would be handing out real sentences with NO parole.
Never forget that "gun control" in this country originated as a way to keep blacks helpless and "in their place".
Now the self appointed "elite" want to keep you in your place.
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They are not "do gooder's", they are evil.
It's just a smoke screen. It has nothing to do with violence.
It's about control.
If it really were about violence judges would be handing out real sentences with NO parole.
Never forget that "gun control" in this country originated as a way to keep blacks helpless and "in their place".
Now the self appointed "elite" want to keep you in your place.
Yessir......that 'bout sums it up.
BASTARDS >:(
Now the self appointed "elite" want to keep you in your place.
And Tom, I found the perfect place for you......right next to the lever.............. of the gallows. :D
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They are not "do gooder's", they are evil.
It's just a smoke screen. It has nothing to do with violence.
It's about control.
If it really were about violence judges would be handing out real sentences with NO parole.
Never forget that "gun control" in this country originated as a way to keep blacks helpless and "in their place".
Now the self appointed "elite" want to keep you in your place.
I use the term "do gooders" because I get sick of typing "Brady Bunch" and "Anti's" and the like. Also, I know it is about control, but if you push the true problem I am hoping that at some point they will back them far enough into the corner that they have to admit it is about control >:(
In responding to Pres. BHO on invitations to Second Amendment agreements we need to use the words of Bo Darville to Sheriff Buford T. Justice of Portague County - "Do the letters F O mean anything to you?" Or we can just stand on the simple and civilized - "Do the words "Shall not be infringed mean anything to you?".
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Yessir......that 'bout sums it up.
BASTARDS >:(
And Tom, I found the perfect place for you......right next to the lever.............. of the gallows. :D
Would it be in bad taste to bring a cooler to the gallows?
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Would it be in bad taste to bring a cooler to the gallows?
Depends what's in it. Beers OK, last weeks trout probably not a good idea. ;D
I use the term "do gooders" because I get sick of typing "Brady Bunch" and "Anti's" and the like. Also, I know it is about control, but if you push the true problem I am hoping that at some point they will back them far enough into the corner that they have to admit it is about control >:(
In responding to Pres. BHO on invitations to Second Amendment agreements we need to use the words of Bo Darville to Sheriff Buford T. Justice of Portague County - "Do the letters F O mean anything to you?" Or we can just stand on the simple and civilized - "Do the words "Shall not be infringed mean anything to you?".
" We tried it your way and it failed, now STFU while Americans fix it"
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I got REFORM for ya.
First we repeal:
The Firearms Act of 1920
The Firearms and Imitation Firearms (Criminal Use) Act, 1933
The Firearms Act of 1934
The Firearms Act of 1936
The Firearms Act of 1968
The Handgun Control Act of 1981
and all subsequent acts based on, altering, amending, extending or clarifying these acts.
Then we return BATFE to a tax collection agency. (Actually, just repeal anything being enforce by BATFE, we don't need to tax A & T that much.)
Transfer the F & E portion back to the FBI where it was and should be.
OKAY, I'm now ready to seek agreement on gun reforms. What does Obama have to offer?
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I got REFORM for ya.
First we repeal:
The Firearms Act of 1920
The Firearms and Imitation Firearms (Criminal Use) Act, 1933
The Firearms Act of 1934
The Firearms Act of 1936
The Firearms Act of 1968
The Handgun Control Act of 1981
and all subsequent acts based on, altering, amending, extending or clarifying these acts.
Then we return BATFE to a tax collection agency. (Actually, just repeal anything being enforce by BATFE, we don't need to tax A & T that much.)
Transfer the F & E portion back to the FBI where it was and should be.
OKAY, I'm now ready to seek agreement on gun reforms. What does Obama have to offer?
That is a good one!
If you want to drive an Anti nuts answer their question with a question: When they ask why you "need" to have a certain gun or if you think you should be allowed to own A, B or C, ask them why you shouldn't be allowed to have them. Don't let them off with "times have changed," "government has changed," "the world has changed," etc. They can not get off their talking points, and most can not handle that the Second Amendment is not about hunting.
So Pres. BHO, why shouldn't I be able to have any firearm manufactured or be able to modify my firearms as I see fit?
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The liberal definition of bi-partisan is; Sit down, shut up and do it our way. Sadly, there are several RINOS in Congress willing to go along to get along.
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The liberal definition of bi-partisan is; Sit down, shut up and do it our way. Sadly, there are several RINOS in Congress willing to go along to get along.
Even sadder is that there are many cowardly or stupid gun owners that will go along as well.
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For what it's worth, I think it's all about getting out there and doing all you can to educate folks about guns and gun rights. You can't use a right if you don't know that it is an actual right, and right now 35% of Americans tested have failed our own citizenship test. That means they don't know what thier rights are, who faught for them or how to keep them. They are happy with thier wacky pack toy and whatever game system is hot right now. I was a hunter ed. teacher for a while - I am planning on getting back into it- and it was great. The one problem was that about 2% of the kids were really new to guns or hunting. They were all old hands at it. Some how we have to find a new audience. It's no good preaching to a church of gun owners.
I did find some good in knowing that many new gun owners were generated by Obama taking office. That was great. I think that did more for the sale of handguns than that sexy girl on the EAA Witness comercial. Anyway, the Obama group is doing a great job of capitalizeing on Americans who have forgotten where they came from. Remember healthcare..... If we are to really save our freedoms, we have to be a growing number of real Americans, not a shrinking one. For now, we are the later.
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MB has made this point often, focusing on hunting is a waste of time and resources, the number of people who have access to hunting lands has been dropping like a rock for 50 years between regulations, and development and purchase of large tracts by private parties. Focus on the more accessible "shooting sports" such as "Rimfire challenge" type events that are with in reach of an average family during a depression.
Focus on the fact that it is inexpensive Family fun.
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My thought are running in the direction of getting young folks involved. Maybe working with schools to start spoting clay sports and air gun/.22 teams. they just built a nice skeet range not far from here and a couple of the schools have been sniffing around. I have been trying to connect the dots for them to get them started. Once a local school lost a fight to start a soccer team; however, when the parents got together and started two teams in seperate districts, all of a sudden the schools followed through. If they can do that with soccer, then we can do that with our sport. Granted, 75% of those kids will have already been exsposed to guns, but I bet a least 25% will be newbies. That's alot better than my 2% in hunter's ed. When you bring those parents into the equation that means a lot of newbies.
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My thought are running in the direction of getting young folks involved. Maybe working with schools to start spoting clay sports and air gun/.22 teams. they just built a nice skeet range not far from here and a couple of the schools have been sniffing around. I have been trying to connect the dots for them to get them started. Once a local school lost a fight to start a soccer team; however, when the parents got together and started two teams in seperate districts, all of a sudden the schools followed through. If they can do that with soccer, then we can do that with our sport. Granted, 75% of those kids will have already been exsposed to guns, but I bet a least 25% will be newbies. That's alot better than my 2% in hunter's ed. When you bring those parents into the equation that means a lot of newbies.
Hell ya!
And just because all the older folks in the family shoot, it doesn't mean the young ones have had a chance yet.
The way things are nowadays, Daddy gets an hour to hunt after work, Older brother goes with friends, but its spur of the moment, Mommy doesn't think he's old enough, no one realizes little sister might be interested.
If they are offered the chance, and find out they ARE old enough / big enough then they'll start asking to go.
Also, air guns are great, all the same skills, much shorter ranges so it's easier to find a safe place to shoot (even in the yard or cellar ) and it's even less expensive than 22.
I've got a Chinese air rifle, dead accurate to 50 yards, I paid $20 brand new pellets are a couple bucks for 250.
The same company makes a pistol as well although it might be a bit large for small kids.
And a trick I heard about to make it a little more fun, tape a relish packet on the target if they get a hit they get to see the green Zombie blood ;D
If you have a Sheet metal factory in your area, see if they will let you have some of their scrap Alum, or sheet steel. There are often 3 - 4 inch squares and disks, that make great reactive targets, ( hear the "tink" when they get a hit ) ;D