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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on March 20, 2011, 04:08:58 PM
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My Dad was telling me that he had been hearing "The Donald" and was favorably impressed, so I did a very little research.
I have to say I like what I hear, the quote my Dad mentioned was "I have $600 million, I can fund my own campaign" (not sure where he saw it ).
The big question I guess is , can the Donald trump a spade ?
Thoughts ?
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Tom, I've been listening to the Donald myself, and I rather like what I hear.
On the plus side, he definitely has the money to make a run. He has a great deal of experience running a multi-national corp. He is a straight talker. He seems to be a fiscal conservative.
On the negative side, he has a dead weasel on his head. He's been married a bazillion times. He had a reputation as a playboy when he wasn't married. These are the sorts of moral things (except for the dead weasel) the religious right doesn't particularly like.
And, did I mention that he has a dead weasel on his head?
I am still in the research mode, but I kind of like Herman Caine and Col. West.
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I am still in the research mode, but I kind of like Herman Caine and Col. West.
I agree.
I don't think The Donald is serious, just trying to get free publicity and stroke that oversized ego. I mean, I just don't see him releasing the last five years worth of tax returns for one thing. And how many times has his company and or casino been in bankruptcy? Maybe he was just working the system but I don't like it. Although, if his competition for the Rino nomination is Huckabee, Gingrich, or Romney, then he might look better.
Oh yeah, and that dead weasel thing.
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All I have heard is that he says he will make a decision by (I can't remember the date), and that he would commit $600,000,000 (six hundred million) of his own money to the campaign.
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He has some good qualities.
Won't be afraid to make tough decisions, not going to bow to political pressure - he has a day job so he doesn't need this one...Is not going to be trying for re-election.
I seem to remember not thinking he was very strong on the 2A.
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Not impressed yet. Sure, he might know what to do for the economy but beyond that, I don't trust him.
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Says he'll announce by June.
Says he"is against gun control" (his words )
Can out spend Obummer 2-1. :o If he's willing to invest that kind of money he is as serious as it can be.
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Says he'll announce by June.
"After further consideration I am unwilling to subject my family to that kind of life in the public eye."
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"After further consideration I am unwilling to subject my family to that kind of life in the public eye."
Ichiban, don't be a fool, after the divorce settlements he's paid out it it's cheaper than a hit man. ;D
Seriously, make fun of his hair all you want but remember 2 things,
1 He's running for President of the US not Miss America
2 The Beauty pageant mindset gave us, carter, Clinton and Obummer. TR Lincoln and Taft were plain homely.
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Read "The Art Of The Deal", Trumps first book back 15-20 years ago. Trump Sr. gave him nothing but a tenement row bldg. in Queens, and a "good luck"....
He knows how to play the game in a me boss you not situation. The big BUTT in the room in Congress,....we are infested with RINO's, the statists, and the Progressive Pelosi types...
Could Trump get a business plan to make this country work????Yeah,...but Congress would shut him down,,, No talk of the Fair Tax, no talk of the Flat Tax,...NO talk of any tax reforms, by any candidate, for those of us that file and PAY.
I hope to find better by election day.
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Read "The Art Of The Deal", Trumps first book back 15-20 years ago. Trump Sr. gave him nothing but a tenement row bldg. in Queens, and a "good luck"....
He knows how to play the game in a me boss you not situation. The big BUTT in the room in Congress,....we are infested with RINO's, the statists, and the Progressive Pelosi types...
Could Trump get a business plan to make this country work????Yeah,...but Congress would shut him down,,, No talk of the Fair Tax, no talk of the Flat Tax,...NO talk of any tax reforms, by any candidate, for those of us that file and PAY.
I hope to find better by election day.
trust me, no big biz man is clean... he has filed bk mor ethen once.
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trust me, no big biz man is clean... he has filed bk mor ethen once.
Typical TAB, every silver lining has to have it's misspelled cloud.
Have you ever had anything good to say about any one ? Ever ?
Read "The Art Of The Deal", Trumps first book back 15-20 years ago. Trump Sr. gave him nothing but a tenement row bldg. in Queens, and a "good luck"....
He knows how to play the game in a me boss you not situation. The big BUTT in the room in Congress,....we are infested with RINO's, the statists, and the Progressive Pelosi types...
Could Trump get a business plan to make this country work????Yeah,...but Congress would shut him down,,, No talk of the Fair Tax, no talk of the Flat Tax,...NO talk of any tax reforms, by any candidate, for those of us that file and PAY.
I hope to find better by election day.
I don't think you will, not one that has any chance of actually getting elected.
Romney and Rudy G. are anti gun ,pro abortion, pro Obamacare RINO's
Huckabee, and Newt have to much baggage, between Newt's affairs and Huckabee's pardons.
Ron Paul is already a 2 time loser, while he may get some of the youth vote, to many view him as a flake.
Palin is to much of a lightning rod, the left have already got her zero'd in.
Bachmann, Pawlenty,Santorum ,Jindal,Cain and West, are to new to the national scene to get the name recognition, on top of that Cain and West are black, BHO has pretty much poisoned that well for a while.
1 - He has more business experience than Romney, With out the RINO baggage
2- He has enough money to out spend the Dems, what got Obummer elected was massive spending on media.
3- He already has ideas to fix what people see as the main issue, (Hint, "It's the economy stupid." )
4- He has a history, (unlike certain pompous assholes I can think of ) of getting things done .
5- He has a reputation for picking underlings who also get things done. (or not lasting long)
6- He claims to be against gun control,Abortion, Obamacare, and raising taxes.
7- His "affairs" were between marriages when he was single, therefore not an issue.
8- His past is no secret, every one in America has been aware of him for over 20 years.
9- He has indeed, as TAB alleges with out knowledge, filed bankruptcy, back in the 80's he filed for financial reorganization, he worked with his creditors and resolved the issues that were mostly a result of the economy of the day.
I had not really considered him a serious candidate until my Dad mentioned him, the above is just thinking on the key board but considering what I see coming into the state to sniff around I think he will get my primary vote.
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yes i do, just very rare for people running/ in office.
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Who ?
I would LOVE to meet this paragon of virtue.
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Found this link on Trump and gun control.
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htm
Relevant points:
Dems and Reps are both wrong on guns
It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 Jul 2, 2000
For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check
I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 Jul 2, 2000
Can we live with that?
I think his waiting period thoughts are not for harassment and delay of honest gun owners, but to insure a through job is done of weeding out the bad guys. I expect that if the process were faster, he would support a shorter time. Problem is that when the process does become quicker, he won't be around to push for a reduced waiting period. Then there here is also the concern that more personal information will be gathered and made available for the process.
On the Assault Weapon ban, I suspect he has bought the hype, not because he thinks they are evil, just does not know they are not the same weapon carried by troops. Perhaps he can be educated. If, however, he does have concerns about full auto weapons in honest civilian hands, he will probably support a magazine capacity limit also.
I am generally a one issue voter. Basically, I feel that if a politician doesn't trust me, I sure am not gonna trust them. Also, as long as Americans are armed as the Founders intended, we have the means to deal with all the other issues should things go that far south.
At this time, however, I do feel I need to consider the other issues. If we can elect a president who can deal with illegal immigration, immigrant assimilation necessity, foreign policy both economic and militarily and get this country producing and back on track all in a strong and decisive manner, we might be much better off supporting him and "teaching" him about gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment than trying to teach a stronger 2A candidate about all those other issues.
The hand basket is going down hill pretty damned fast now and we all know exactly where it is heading.
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Sell his Mama for a BUCK & anyone else that gets in the way. YMMV
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Sell his Mama for a BUCK & anyone else that gets in the way. YMMV
How is that any different than any of the others ? Like say, Obummer who, along with his wife and known associates are openly anti American,if the Reps hand him another term by running some unelectable chump like McCain ?
Found this link on Trump and gun control.
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htm
Relevant points:
Dems and Reps are both wrong on guns
It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 Jul 2, 2000
For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check
I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 Jul 2, 2000
Can we live with that?
I think his waiting period thoughts are not for harassment and delay of honest gun owners, but to insure a through job is done of weeding out the bad guys. I expect that if the process were faster, he would support a shorter time. Problem is that when the process does become quicker, he won't be around to push for a reduced waiting period. Then there here is also the concern that more personal information will be gathered and made available for the process.
On the Assault Weapon ban, I suspect he has bought the hype, not because he thinks they are evil, just does not know they are not the same weapon carried by troops. Perhaps he can be educated. If, however, he does have concerns about full auto weapons in honest civilian hands, he will probably support a magazine capacity limit also.
I am generally a one issue voter. Basically, I feel that if a politician doesn't trust me, I sure am not gonna trust them. Also, as long as Americans are armed as the Founders intended, we have the means to deal with all the other issues should things go that far south.
At this time, however, I do feel I need to consider the other issues. If we can elect a president who can deal with illegal immigration, immigrant assimilation necessity, foreign policy both economic and militarily and get this country producing and back on track all in a strong and decisive manner, we might be much better off supporting him and "teaching" him about gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment than trying to teach a stronger 2A candidate about all those other issues.
The hand basket is going down hill pretty damned fast now and we all know exactly where it is heading.
That's pretty much my thinking, No one ( other than TT and I ;D ) is talking about repealing any of the current regulation, or making fire arms ownership mandatory, that being the case the choice will come down to who is best able to deal with the other issues facing us.
When you have that short list figured, then pick the one who can actually get elected. From what I currently see the only names on the primary ballot are either RINO's who will give us more bipartisan butt blasting, a 2 time loser ( Paul ), and a couple of" Who ?" that lack the financial resources for the long haul.
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It would make for one hell of a history book chapter if Ol' Possum-top is the one who gets elected and turns the economy around.
Tom makes very good points.
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How is that any different than any of the others ? Like say, Obummer who, along with his wife and known associates are openly anti American,if the Reps hand him another term by running some unelectable chump like McCain ?
That's pretty much my thinking, No one ( other than TT and I ;D ) is talking about repealing any of the current regulation, or making fire arms ownership mandatory, that being the case the choice will come down to who is best able to deal with the other issues facing us.
When you have that short list figured, then pick the one who can actually get elected. From what I currently see the only names on the primary ballot are either RINO's who will give us more bipartisan butt blasting, a 2 time loser ( Paul ), and a couple of" Who ?" that lack the financial resources for the long haul.
He is not any different except I think he is a patriot & not anti American,but I worry about him feeding that massive ego & he has supported Democrats with his money in the past I just don't see him as an improvement or anybody else in the running for that matter right now.I agree about the RINO's & the new people not being ready.I like Palin, but can she win .
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No, Palin can not win. The left gets to much mileage from her "lack of experience" (compared to Bhore that's a joke, but it's working ) and the fact that she resigned as Gov. of Alaska, (the fact that with continual attacks from the left she could not properly do her job is carefully ignored ) and to many "moderate" Republicans buy into the propaganda.
She would beat Ron Paul, and most of the others in Primaries, but in the end she would lose, even to Obama.
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She couldn't do her job because of attacks from the left? Good thing Reagan never had that problem. God knows Clinton would have resigned in his first term if the right had been mean to him or his wife. Good thing they weren't. ::)
Leaving that nonsense aside, can the Onion Loaf do it? Here's my thing. The man is a narcissist. It is all about him. He will put his name on anything that stands stil long enough and has a reality show featuring Gary Bussey (among others) so he gets his name in the papers. Its not an automatic DQ, but it is something to think about. Duty, honor, country. Letting the office not be abut you? I have gotten more than a little tired of BO not getting that memo. Mitt Romney, Newt? Same product, different label. Its too much to ask to expect a politician not to have an ego. Still, do we want the Trump Whitehouse and casino? Its an honest question not a slam. It just makes me nostalic for guys like Ike, Bush senior and even McCain who were in it for the service (whatever you think of their policies) not their ego or a buck. :-\
FQ13
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For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check
I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 Jul 2, 2000
Can we live with that?
Not only no, but Effing Hell No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The dead weasel wearer may have good ideas on the economy, jobs, etc., but on guns he is a loser. One of us here on DRTV has a signature about necessity being the excuse for all gummint gun grabs. The necessity of fixing the economy does NOT mean they get to take more of our liberties, freedoms and rights away. NO MORE!!!!! NEVER AGAIN!!!!!
Educate The Trump if you feel it is worth it, but if he is in favor of banning any firearms, he will not get my vote.
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Path, you will note that the quote is over ten years old and prior to 2 major SCOTUS decisions.
His statement at CPAC was " I am against gun control".
Of course you could always bad mouth him, like FQ does. ::)
She couldn't do her job because of attacks from the left? Good thing Reagan never had that problem. God knows Clinton would have resigned in his first term if the right had been mean to him or his wife. Good thing they weren't. ::)
Leaving that nonsense aside, can the Onion Loaf do it? Here's my thing. The man is a narcissist. It is all about him. He will put his name on anything that stands stil long enough and has a reality show featuring Gary Bussey (among others) so he gets his name in the papers. Its not an automatic DQ, but it is something to think about. Duty, honor, country. Letting the office not be abut you? I have gotten more than a little tired of BO not getting that memo. Mitt Romney, Newt? Same product, different label. Its too much to ask to expect a politician not to have an ego. Still, do we want the Trump Whitehouse and casino? Its an honest question not a slam. It just makes me nostalic for guys like Ike, Bush senior and even McCain who were in it for the service (whatever you think of their policies) not their ego or a buck. :-\
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That's a f*cking joke coming from the guy who voted for Obama.
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After the election of our current president, who has done absolutely nothing in his life but promote himself and father two children, I'm a little unclear on what qualifies one to be president. Ego is a given. What I know of Trump is that he is an entrepeneur and king of BS. He's gone bankrupt more times than Charlie Sheen has banged a hooker. When he built his AC casino he bailed upon completion and ended up not honoring more than about 20 cents on every dollar he owed. He hurt a lot of local people on that one.
Trump is brash and arrogant, and he knows how to get things done, and he knows how to get what he wants. I don't like the man, but he just might make a better president than this noodle-dick-in-chief we have now. It could be ugly though- like having Larry the Cable Guy as president.
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Like TAB posted earlier, Trump has had several businesses go bankrupt. So I'm not too keen on his business management skills, but it has been some time since his last flame out. As far as gun control goes, I do not trust him. My goodness, he is from New York after all!
And I have been thinking about Palin too. I'm not sure she can win. Her refusal to go to CPAC (fourth straight year) and her resignation in her first term as governor bothered me - quitter comes to mind. And I think she has been corrupted by the establishment. Did anyone notice her comments about Libya? There was a time I would have applauded that too, but I have since changed my views. W's decision to start an unnecessary war with Iraq started that transformation.
I am going to support Ron Paul if he runs. If one is really tuned in to what is happening, he makes perfect sense. If all you do is listen to Rush Limbaugh and take the talking points from Fox News, you think he is a flake.....
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FA, you will waste your vote.
Ron Paul is a 2 time loser already, I have a better chance of getting elected.
But if you want to hand Obama another 4 years don't you dare bitch on here.
You will simply be getting what you deserve for a wasted vote.
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FA, you will waste your vote.
Ron Paul is a 2 time loser already, I have a better chance of getting elected.
But if you want to hand Obama another 4 years don't you dare bitch on here.
You will simply be getting what you deserve for a wasted vote.
I will bitch because I believe the rest of you will waste your vote by NOT voting for Ron Paul! I made my mind up after the McCain debacle; I will never vote for a candidate because it is the most pragmatic thing to do.
At the time, I didn't give Ron Paul much thought because I did not take him seriously. Friends of mine were telling me that based upon what I believed he was actually the closest thing to my beliefs but I didn't listen to them and voted for McCain because "he has the best chance to win." After what I saw in 2008, that cured me of that crap once and for all.
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Your are just as foolish as the Army, you are fighting the last war not the current one.
Ron Paul has less chance in 2012 than he had in 08 or 04, he's nothing but a joke now, like Pat Paulson.
And you can be sure that if BHO wins because people like you split the vote I will be rubbing your nose in the previous post and passing on the thanks of the socialists, Unions and other scumbags living on our tax dollars.
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Your are just as foolish as the Army, you are fighting the last war not the current one.
Ron Paul has less chance in 2012 than he had in 08 or 04, he's nothing but a joke now, like Pat Paulson.
And you can be sure that if BHO wins because people like you split the vote I will be rubbing your nose in the previous post and passing on the thanks of the socialists, Unions and other scumbags living on our tax dollars.
Call me what you want, but I will not be the dumbass who keeps voting in the same type of politicians who keep selling us out. I will say I tried to warn you but you thought you were too smart and voted for a fake conservative.
You know you and Quaker agree on this point and that ought to make you think right there but I'm not holding out hope for that.... ;)
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I like Ron Paul.. I like Sara Palin... but neither one of them have a chance in hell of getting elected..
I really like Newt G.. but he's been in the political system too long.. ( even though I want to vote for him) **we will see**
But I like Trump too... even with the Bankruptcy's..He is shrewd and to do what has to be done you have to be willing to shred some skin and cut some throats..He didn't get to where he is today without doing both.. . Smart man... and we need a business head in there.. I don't give a tinkers ass damn what his personal life is..
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Theres still time to look and listen before making my end decision before I mark my ballot. ;)..
This is an interesting video...
Trump: Who Pays for Operation Odyssey Dawn?
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4598279/trump-who-pays-for-operation-odyssey-dawn/
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Leaving that nonsense aside, can the Onion Loaf do it? Here's my thing. The man is a narcissist. It is all about him.
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Inasmuch as you have a history of voting for narcissists, I must conclude that you support The Donald's candidacy?
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Here's my take on the Ron Paul candidacy. He has about as much chance of being elected as Ross Perot did in 92. And voting for Paul will have the same net effect for Barry that voting for Perot had for Billy Jeff.
Do I wish an independent could win? Considering the liberal douchebags the dems run, and the RINO assholes the GOP seems to come up with I'd have to say HELL yes!! Sadly, however, in the world in which we live, a 3rd party candidate simply is not going to win the Presidency.
One final thought..........I'd love to see Palin in the White House, but that ain't happening, either. The left, along with their willing whores accomplices in the lamestream media were too successful in their electronic lynching of Governor Palin in 2008 for her to be electable. Too bad, because I think she'd be a great President.
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Inasmuch as you have a history of voting for narcissists, I must conclude that you support The Donald's candidacy?
Only if we were both idiots. Live and learn tt. :-[ Here's the thing. I support FA's call for Ron Paul. He's not going to compromise. Thing is, he's not going to win either. A libertarian/conservative voting for him is like a liberal voting for Nader. Its a dumb move. HOWEVER......in the primaries, you CAN vote your conscience and hope the party gets the hint. In the general, you vote for the least bad option. I like Ron Paul until he gets weird (a return to the gold standard and recalling all overseas based US troops, plus the anti-choice thing). Sorry, I take a step back. Still, supporting who you want in a primary is a good thing and I hope people don't vote for "winners" (channeling Charlie Sheen) as dictaded by the Party elite. Otherwise its Hailey Barbour vs Mitt Rommney in the final round.
FQ13
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Only if we were both idiots. Live and learn tt. :-[ Here's the thing. I support FA's call for Ron Paul. He's not going to compromise. Thing is, he's not going to win either. A libertarian/conservative voting for him is like a liberal voting for Nader. Its a dumb move. HOWEVER......in the primaries, you CAN vote your conscience and hope the party gets the hint. In the general, you vote for the least bad option. I like Ron Paul until he gets weird (a return to the gold standard and recalling all overseas based US troops, plus the anti-choice thing). Sorry, I take a step back. Still, supporting who you want in a primary is a good thing and I hope people don't vote for "winners" (channeling Charlie Sheen) as dictaded by the Party elite. Otherwise its Hailey Barbour vs Mitt Rommney in the final round.
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One out of 2 ::)
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All interesting in and of itself. We all discuss guns, abortion rights or lack thereof, this guy, that gal, yada, yada, yada....
It's about more than just those talking points folks.
On the record....my 2 cents.
Ron Paul can't win....
Romney is a wanker.....
Palin can't win......
Huckabee has probably screwed the pooch.....
Barber is a no show......
The Donald is an asshole (though that doesn't disqualify)...
Several aren't ready to commit...
So, yoBama wins unless we vote in a Rino....or a candidate yet to be named...
My vote will go to the Rino or anyone who's name is NOT f..k.i.n.g OBAMA!
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I feel your pain Tim. That was where I was in 2008. I was so fed up with W. that I wouldn't vote for anybody who supported his policies. I voted for BO. It felt real good for about a month, then, no so much. I really don't know where to go. The GOP is so in debt to corporations and the religious right I don't trust a word they say about Constitutional principles. The Dems don't even pay lip service, its all aabout special interest politics, the welfare state and a view of FP that tells me that they need to fess up and vote to legalize drugs, because they are clearly on something. As far as the Libertarians? Well, they are like that beautiful girl who is smart, fun in bed, but yet will never get over her drug problem (Ayn Rand in her case), and you know you just have to walk away if you want to maintain your sanity. What to do in 2012? Damned if I know. I do know one thing. I will never again fall for a media darling. I see a whole lot of sizzle. I'm waiting for the steak this go round. :P
FQ13
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I feel your pain Tim. That was where I was in 2008. I was so fed up with W. that I wouldn't vote for anybody who supported his policies. I voted for BO. It felt real good for about a month, then, no so much. I really don't know where to go. The GOP is so in debt to corporations and the religious right I don't trust a word they say about Constitutional principles. The Dems don't even pay lip service, its all aabout special interest politics, the welfare state and a view of FP that tells me that they need to fess up and vote to legalize drugs, because they are clearly on something. As far as the Libertarians? Well, they are like that beautiful girl who is smart, fun in bed, but yet will never get over her drug problem (Ayn Rand in her case), and you know you just have to walk away if you want to maintain your sanity. What to do in 2012? Damned if I know. I do know one thing. I will never again fall for a media darling. I see a whole lot of sizzle. I'm waiting for the steak this go round. :P
FQ13
Easily skipping over the fact that Bush wasn't running, McCain was not going to continue Bush's Policies, and Obama has made a point of only following up Bush's dumbest initiatives.
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Easily skipping over the fact that Bush wasn't running, McCain was not going to continue Bush's Policies, and Obama has made a point of only following up Bush's dumbest initiatives.
Tom,
Stop and think about what you wrote and consider this: Remember Obama was going to close down Gitmo, pull every troop out of Iraq and Afghanistan, git rid of the Patriot Act, etc? In other words, he wasn't going to continue the Bush policies on several fronts but that is exactly what he has done. And if you think about it Bush did the same with Clinton, Clinton the same with H.W. and so on.
It is one of the reasons I say there really isn't a dime's worth of REAL difference between the parties.
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Tom,
Stop and think about what you wrote and consider this: Remember Obama was going to close down Gitmo, pull every troop out of Iraq and Afghanistan, git rid of the Patriot Act, etc? In other words, he wasn't going to continue the Bush policies on several fronts but that is exactly what he has done. And if you think about it Bush did the same with Clinton, Clinton the same with H.W. and so on.
It is one of the reasons I say there really isn't a dime's worth of REAL difference between the parties.
Too true. Clinton ran as an anti-China hawk and blasted Bush for doing business with them post Tianamen Square. 5 months later he was sharinig sloppy kisses with Deng Xio Peng. W derided Clinton and Gore for nation building and "having US troops walking kids to school". By early 2002 he was talking about brining democracy to Afghanistan and leading a grade school pledge drive to buy school supplies for young girls in that country. BO? well, Gitmo is still open, his much derided stimulus/bailout plan is the same one W and Sec Tres Paulson dreamed up and now we are inching into war in yet another middle eastern country for even less reason than we had to invade Iraq. New boss looks a lot like the old boss and so it goes. :P
FQ13
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Actually, you 2 both need to go back and double check that, BwHOre was going to pull out of Iraq (where the surge worked ) and increase troop strengths in Afghanistan . To accomplish his stated goal of ... What ?
Now the "No blood for oil" candidate is trading American blood for Libyan iol that goes to who ? France ? For what possible objective ?
Full Auto, You do realize that you are agreeing with FQ who is consistently wrong, on politics, right ?
Do you want to rethink that stuff ?
I would.
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Some time it has to stop. Some time we have to stop voting for Lizards just so the wrong Lizard doesn't get in.
We all mostly agree that both the Republican and the Democrats are the Lizards....neither do what needs to be done for the country but instead work for what THEY need...and they both pretty much need the same thing.
Some time we have to vote for other than the Lizards.....and until we start doing that, more and more of us each election, we will keep putting a Lizard in. If you want things to change, you need to change the things you do.
I have stated before that I am a Libertarian. I know they have some views I don't agree with, but I feel it will be easier to work from their platform to what I prefer than to ever be able to work the Republican or Democrat platform to anything close to what I prefer.
That said, generally I will vote for a Libertarian candidate, even knowing they will lose, because it will make a bit of difference and perhaps make the Libertarians job easier in gaining ballot access for the next election. Much of the Libertarian resources are spent just gaining ballot access each election due to the overwhelming restrictions and qualifications imposed by the Republican and Democratic law makers.. However, I voted for McCain last election because I felt Obama would bring so much more destruction to our country than the standard candidate of either other party. My vote was wasted anyway.
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Unless your "Libertararian" ( any 3rd Party ) has a huge lead you might as well vote Dem.
How does He/She get a huge lead ? By winning Primaries.
Oh, wait,there are no 3rd parties in primaries, it's either R or D, if you aren't registered one or the other you don't vote in primaries.
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Unless your "Libertararian" ( any 3rd Party ) has a huge lead you might as well vote Dem.
How does He/She get a huge lead ? By winning Primaries.
Oh, wait,there are no 3rd parties in primaries, it's either R or D, if you aren't registered one or the other you don't vote in primaries.
It is possible for a minor party to have a primary, but again, you have to fight the two "established" parties to do so. Just doing the same ol' same ol' won't get it done.
From a news article.
This is the first year minor parties have been allowed to participate in the Primary Election thanks to a 2008 Ohio Appeals Court ruling and a 2009 directive by the Ohio Secretary of State.
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Only if we were both idiots. Live and learn tt. :-[ Here's the thing. I support FA's call for Ron Paul. He's not going to compromise. Thing is, he's not going to win either. A libertarian/conservative voting for him is like a liberal voting for Nader. Its a dumb move. HOWEVER......in the primaries, you CAN vote your conscience and hope the party gets the hint. In the general, you vote for the least bad option. I like Ron Paul until he gets weird (a return to the gold standard and recalling all overseas based US troops, plus the anti-choice thing). Sorry, I take a step back. Still, supporting who you want in a primary is a good thing and I hope people don't vote for "winners" (channeling Charlie Sheen) as dictaded by the Party elite. Otherwise its Hailey Barbour vs Mitt Rommney in the final round.
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I can't argue with much you've said here. Dammit. ;D
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Full Auto, You do realize that you are agreeing with FQ who is consistently wrong, on politics, right ?
Do you want to rethink that stuff ?
I would.
Touche... ;D But I prefer to think Quaker is agreeing with me, not the other way around..... ;)