What do you think

[Teresa Heilevang]

Theres still  time to look and listen before making my end decision before I mark my ballot.  ..

This is an interesting video...

Trump: Who Pays for Operation Odyssey Dawn?


http://video.foxnews.com/v/4598279/trump-who-pays-for-operation-odyssey-dawn/

[tt11758]

Leaving that nonsense aside, can the Onion Loaf do it? Here's my thing. The man is a narcissist. It is all about him.
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Inasmuch as you have a history of voting for narcissists, I must conclude that you support The Donald's candidacy?

[tt11758]

Here's my take on the Ron Paul candidacy.  He has about as much chance of being elected as Ross Perot did in 92.  And voting for Paul will have the same net effect for Barry that voting for Perot had for Billy Jeff.

Do I wish an independent could win?  Considering the liberal douchebags the dems run, and the RINO assholes the GOP seems to come up with I'd have to say HELL yes!!  Sadly, however, in the world in which we live, a 3rd party candidate simply is not going to win the Presidency.  

One final thought..........I'd love to see Palin in the White House, but that ain't happening, either.  The left, along with their willing whores accomplices in the lamestream media were too successful in their electronic lynching of Governor Palin in 2008 for her to be electable.  Too bad, because I think she'd be a great President.

[fightingquaker13]

Inasmuch as you have a history of voting for narcissists, I must conclude that you support The Donald's candidacy?

Only if we were both idiots. Live and learn tt. Here's the thing. I support FA's call for Ron Paul. He's not going to compromise. Thing is, he's not going to win either. A libertarian/conservative voting for him is like a liberal voting for Nader. Its a dumb move. HOWEVER......in the primaries, you CAN vote your conscience and hope the party gets the hint. In the general, you vote for the least bad option. I like Ron Paul until he gets weird (a return to the gold standard and recalling all overseas based US troops, plus the anti-choice thing). Sorry, I take a step back. Still, supporting who you want in a primary is a good thing and I hope people don't vote for "winners" (channeling Charlie Sheen) as dictaded by the Party elite. Otherwise its Hailey Barbour vs Mitt Rommney in the final round.
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[tombogan03884]

Only if we were both idiots. Live and learn tt. Here's the thing. I support FA's call for Ron Paul. He's not going to compromise. Thing is, he's not going to win either. A libertarian/conservative voting for him is like a liberal voting for Nader. Its a dumb move. HOWEVER......in the primaries, you CAN vote your conscience and hope the party gets the hint. In the general, you vote for the least bad option. I like Ron Paul until he gets weird (a return to the gold standard and recalling all overseas based US troops, plus the anti-choice thing). Sorry, I take a step back. Still, supporting who you want in a primary is a good thing and I hope people don't vote for "winners" (channeling Charlie Sheen) as dictaded by the Party elite. Otherwise its Hailey Barbour vs Mitt Rommney in the final round.
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One out of 2   

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[Timothy]

All interesting in and of itself.  We all discuss guns, abortion rights or lack thereof, this guy, that gal, yada, yada, yada....

It's about more than just those talking points folks. 

On the record....my 2 cents.

Ron Paul can't win....
Romney is a wanker.....
Palin can't win......
Huckabee has probably screwed the pooch.....
Barber is a no show......
The Donald is an asshole (though that doesn't disqualify)...
Several aren't ready to commit...

So, yoBama wins unless we vote in a Rino....or a candidate yet to be named...

My vote will go to the Rino or anyone who's name is NOT f..k.i.n.g OBAMA!

[fightingquaker13]

I feel your pain Tim. That was where I was in 2008. I was so fed up with W. that I wouldn't vote for anybody who supported his policies. I voted for BO. It felt real good for about a month, then, no so much. I really don't know where to go. The GOP is so in debt to corporations and the religious right I don't trust a word they say about Constitutional principles. The Dems don't even pay lip service, its all aabout special interest politics, the welfare state and a view of FP that tells me that they need to fess up and vote to legalize drugs, because they are clearly on something. As far as the Libertarians? Well, they are like that beautiful girl who is smart, fun in bed, but yet will never get over her drug problem (Ayn Rand in her case), and you know you just have to walk away if you want to maintain your sanity. What to do in 2012? Damned if I know. I do know one thing. I will never again fall for a media darling. I see a whole lot of sizzle. I'm waiting for the steak this go round.
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[tombogan03884]

I feel your pain Tim. That was where I was in 2008. I was so fed up with W. that I wouldn't vote for anybody who supported his policies. I voted for BO. It felt real good for about a month, then, no so much. I really don't know where to go. The GOP is so in debt to corporations and the religious right I don't trust a word they say about Constitutional principles. The Dems don't even pay lip service, its all aabout special interest politics, the welfare state and a view of FP that tells me that they need to fess up and vote to legalize drugs, because they are clearly on something. As far as the Libertarians? Well, they are like that beautiful girl who is smart, fun in bed, but yet will never get over her drug problem (Ayn Rand in her case), and you know you just have to walk away if you want to maintain your sanity. What to do in 2012? Damned if I know. I do know one thing. I will never again fall for a media darling. I see a whole lot of sizzle. I'm waiting for the steak this go round.
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Easily skipping over the fact that Bush wasn't running, McCain was not going to continue Bush's Policies, and Obama has made a point of only following up Bush's dumbest initiatives.

[fullautovalmet76]

Easily skipping over the fact that Bush wasn't running, McCain was not going to continue Bush's Policies, and Obama has made a point of only following up Bush's dumbest initiatives.

Tom,
Stop and think about what you wrote and consider this: Remember Obama was going to close down Gitmo, pull every troop out of Iraq and Afghanistan, git rid of the Patriot Act, etc? In other words, he wasn't going to continue the Bush policies on several fronts but that is exactly what he has done. And if you think about it Bush did the same with Clinton, Clinton the same with H.W. and so on.

It is one of the reasons I say there really isn't a dime's worth of REAL difference between the parties.

[fightingquaker13]

Tom,
Stop and think about what you wrote and consider this: Remember Obama was going to close down Gitmo, pull every troop out of Iraq and Afghanistan, git rid of the Patriot Act, etc? In other words, he wasn't going to continue the Bush policies on several fronts but that is exactly what he has done. And if you think about it Bush did the same with Clinton, Clinton the same with H.W. and so on.

It is one of the reasons I say there really isn't a dime's worth of REAL difference between the parties.

Too true. Clinton ran as an anti-China hawk and blasted Bush for doing business with them post Tianamen Square. 5 months later he was sharinig sloppy kisses with Deng Xio Peng. W derided Clinton and Gore for nation building and "having US troops walking kids to school". By early 2002 he was talking about brining democracy to Afghanistan and leading a grade school pledge drive to buy school supplies for young girls in that country. BO? well, Gitmo is still open, his much derided stimulus/bailout plan is the same one W and Sec Tres Paulson dreamed up and now we are inching into war in yet another middle eastern country for even less reason than we had to invade Iraq. New boss looks a lot like the old boss and so it goes.
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