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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on March 22, 2011, 09:40:36 PM
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"He stuck his hand up like he was pulling a gun out or somthin'.....I dunno"
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It looked like he was drawing when he jumped out of the car.
Our view is further away than hers, and from a different angle, but I would say not only a good shoot, but she handled it very well.
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It looked like he was drawing when he jumped out of the car.
Our view is further away than hers, and from a different angle, but I would say not only a good shoot, but she handled it very well.
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My thought every time I watched it was that he was pulling something from his belt, and in her situation you have to believe gun. I'm not on the jury, but I would give her the benefit for everything she did on camera.
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Near the very end of the video she seemed quite shaken as she walked off camera to the right. I wonder if they didn't find a weapon? Bill T.
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It's very hard to tell with the angle we're given and without further details about why they're stopping the guy, etc. However, it seems like a justified shooting and a dang good shot (one shot and he dropped).
Near the very end of the video she seemed quite shaken as she walked off camera to the right. I wonder if they didn't find a weapon? Bill T.
She just shot someone, likely her first time. That's good reason to be shaken. I also imagine the adrenaline dump was massive.
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Near the very end of the video she seemed quite shaken as she walked off camera to the right. I wonder if they didn't find a weapon? Bill T.
It could be that or just coming down off the adrenalin and reality hitting her right between the eyes like a 2x4. In my time I worked a lot of accidents, rescues and fires, and the biggest post incident danger is body fluids. Emergency responders vomiting and everything else as they come down off our body's natural enhancement drug and the realization of what has happened and the danger they were in themselves coming into focus. Regardless of what they found or didn't find I would put my money on the aftermath effect.
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I only watched the first minute or so (several times ) As Bill noted, she specified WHY she shot, "He stuck his hand up like he was pulling a gun out or somthin'.....I dunno" although she should have left off the last part.
If they didn't find a gun and it goes to court those 2 words will at best end her career, even though I think she done right and did it well.
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It will depend on the internal investigation: The fact she went gun first and then second guessed even before anyone checked shows the mindset. When it comes to civil lawsuit it will be determined by her attorney and his ability to show the possible of "something."
Regardless of what happens in the investigation and any court cases that could take place - Her life is changed forever, and that is a sad reality for law enforcement officers every day.
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Not that sad.
Her life hasn't changed nearly as much as if he'd got the first shot.
And I hope her fellow Officers point that out to her.
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I'd say good shoot. In my opinion, a "reasonable person" should have assumed by his actions that he had a weapon. Period.
It could be that or just coming down off the adrenalin and reality hitting her right between the eyes like a 2x4. In my time I worked a lot of accidents, rescues and fires, and the biggest post incident danger is body fluids. Emergency responders vomiting and everything else as they come down off our body's natural enhancement drug and the realization of what has happened and the danger they were in themselves coming into focus. Regardless of what they found or didn't find I would put my money on the aftermath effect.
I remember the adrenaline dump that happened to me at the end of the incident the first time I ever had to AIM my gun at somebody as a LEO. Also remember the scared feeling I got when I got home later that night, unloaded my sidearm, and discovered that the cylinder had rotated about halfway toward the next chamber through the sheer force of adrenaline as the situation unfolded. One more good reason to keep your booger hook off the bang switch. Looking back, I'm convinced that there was one dirtbag that came about 2 foot pounds from seeing Jesus that night.
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Two lessons here.
1. He made a very aggressive exit from his vehicle and it appeared to me he was likely going for a weapon. I wasn't able to spot his hand in the video, so don't know what she was able to see. From what I was able to see, Good Shoot. Lesson is, if you do not intend to be aggressive, have both hands in sight and raised as much as possible while exiting.
2. Be very aware and careful of what you say to an LEO after a shooting, even if YOU are and LEO.
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Questionable shoot IMHO. He did bring his hand from the offside, but when she shot it was in front of him and clear.
But as a local cop put it, if in doubt, the cop's going home safe at the end of the day. Guess they taught her that too.
Bad situation, the guy made it worse.
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COP BODY SLAMS GIRL. Bill T.
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According to the local news here, she was escorted out of two bars for unruly, drunk & disorderly, belligerent stupid drunken asshat behavior.
It continued to the beach, where there were more drunk & disorderly, belligerent asshats on the beach....
Sounds like the Spring Break of yesteryear,....... ::)
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And if all of that is true, there was zero need to body slam her. All he had to do was cuff her behind her back, pull her down on her butt, and she wouldn't be going anywhere or doing anything, except for maybe barfing on herself. This is where the total stupidity of some of these cops never ceases to amaze me. It seems the bigger the audience they have, the dumber they act. Remember the big asshat cop in Baltimore with the golf cart and the kids on the skateboards?
Police have a huge public relations problem as it is. Give them an opportunity to improve it with no risk to them, and they'll make it worse every time by abusing their authority and acting stupid in the process. That woman posed no risk to him, or most anyone else. Yeah, she was most likely acting like a drunken fool. Big deal. Now, because of this clowns over reaction in front of a crowd with 50 video phones rolling, he along with his department are viral on every video website on the Internet. Here comes yet another 6 or 7 figure lawsuit that department will most likely lose, and the taxpayers will have to pay for, all because this idiot has to prove he's a bad ass. They need to be raising the difficulty level of the tests for these guys, not lowering them. Dumb cops like this clown are too expensive for an already overburdened taxpayer. That was a 110 pound drunk girl, not an armed 200 pound gang banger. Bill T.
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It is just unbelievable how stupid these cops act when they know full well they are on camera. Bill T.
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Two things:
1. The info we have and the video are not enough to make a good call about if it's a good/bad shoot.
2. How quick this went off topic to cop bashing. Some do deserve to be bashed, but what's that got to do w this?
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My $0.02
1st video. Why was she chasing him? Had he led them on a pursuit? I give the officer the benifit of the doubt.
2nd Video It starts after the problem began. If she was walking away from being arrested sorry but she could have been tazed, or OC'ed and I would have been fine.
3rd video The kid needs his ass spanked. There are signs all over the Inner Harbour saying no skateboarding.
4th video Cops get fired
5th video Deputy gets days off. Hint: in jail do not kick your shoes off at jailers They tend to think pile on you and teach you manneers. Do it to another inmate and you'll get beat down
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How quick this went off topic to cop bashing.
There is a big difference between "bashing" and criticizing someone for behaving poorly. My point in posting those videos is these guys knew they were on video, and in spite of that they let their authority, and egos, get away from them like a runaway train. Common store clerks restrain themselves with irate customers better than these clowns did. If you want the authority that goes with the gun and badge, use it, don't abuse it. It is just that simple. Bill T.
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I wonder what would the cops do if they knew they weren't on video.
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There is a big difference between "bashing" and criticizing someone for behaving poorly. My point in posting those videos is these guys knew they were on video, and in spite of that they let their authority, and egos, get away from them like a runaway train. Common store clerks restrain themselves with irate customers better than these clowns did. If you want the authority that goes with the gun and badge, use it, don't abuse it. It is just that simple. Bill T.
Ever seen many wedding reception videos? American Funnest Home Videos? Cameras do not stop stupidity EVER.
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I wonder what would the cops do if they knew they weren't on video.
Now THAT is the question of the day! Bill T.
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Ever seen many wedding reception videos? American Funnest Home Videos? Cameras do not stop stupidity EVER.
Yeah, but cops aren't drunk trying to win $10,000.00 for their stupidity. They're losing their jobs over it for nothing! Bill T.
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There is a big difference between "bashing" and criticizing someone for behaving poorly. My point in posting those videos is... If you want the authority that goes with the gun and badge, use it, don't abuse it. It is just that simple. Bill T.
I get the point of those videos, I just don't get what that point had to do with what we were talking about up til then.
You think she was behaving poorly? She abused her authority?
You tossed in some irrelevant videos of some cop clowns, I mistook it for bashing. If I tossed in some irrelevant videos of cop heroes, it might be mistaken for cop cheerleading. It is just that simple.
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I remember back in the late 60's or early 70's they were filming cops in Detroit. They stole just as much when they knew the camera was on them, one incident shown on TV showed 2 cops who had responded to a break in at a convenience store loading cases of smokes into the trunk of the cruiser.
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I remember back in the late 60's or early 70's they were filming cops in Detroit. They stole just as much when they knew the camera was on them, one incident shown on TV showed 2 cops who had responded to a break in at a convenience store loading cases of smokes into the trunk of the cruiser.
If I recall correctly, the same thing happened in a New Orleans Wal-Mart before or after Katrina, I can't remember which. They showed a couple of black female cops filling their shopping carts while a mob was busy looting the place. Go figure. Bill T.
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I just don't get what that point had to do with what we were talking about up til then.
We kinda do that around here. You'll get used to it after a while. Bill T.
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You think she was behaving poorly? She abused her authority?
Think outside the box.
Don't let convention limit your horizons.
Expand your mind...open yourself to the Cosmic Consciousness.....become one with the Universe.
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You cannot just scan the list of updated topics and decide not to look into one of which you are not interested or that you have followed and don't think any more useful insights will be added because after a day or so there is no telling what good stuff might now be under discussion in any thread. Treasure can be anywhere.
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Expand your mind...open yourself to the Cosmic Consciousness.....become one with the Universe.
Should be a snap; I've been lost in space for years... ;)
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You think she was behaving poorly? She abused her authority?
I don't think she "abused" anything. I think she most likely made a bad call. It could have happened to anyone. From the looks of the remainder of the video it doesn't appear like they found a weapon on him. She for certain should have said nothing to the other cop. Her exclamation of "It looks like he had a gun or something, I dunno." was a very foolish statement to make. Was it a gun, "or something"? She should have known before she capped him. However, with that said, these things happen to cops. Their career could easily end, and they could find themselves being brought up on charges with one wrong decision like that. Do women make these type of errors under heated, possible life threatening situations more than men? I don't know what the actual stats are, but I wouldn't want a female drawing down on me for any reason. Too emotional, but that's just me. Bill T.
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In her shoes I probably, based on what the video shows, would have done the same thing.
Right or wrong, she had the option of worrying about it, you have to be alive to do that.
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In her shoes I probably, based on what the video shows, would have done the same thing.
Right or wrong, she had the option of worrying about it, you have to be alive to do that.
Yeah, but she should have kept her mouth shut during, and after the fact. As with most women, it's her mouth that sunk her. Bill T.
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"You have the right to remain silent"
Do you have the ability ? ;D