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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: fightingquaker13 on May 17, 2011, 04:50:38 PM
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I got a circular from Gander the other day.They are having a sale. Ruger 10/22s at $199 and Marlin 795s at $99. Let's assume you aren't going to customize it and just want a plinker/small game gun. Is the Ruger worth paying twice the price? I mean we all own one and like it, but if you aren't going to mess with tweaking it and only want to terrorize coke cans and tree rats, would you drop the extra cash?
FQ13 who has never dealt with the Marlin and is curious about what you think and why.
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the stock marlin will out shoot even a tricked out 10/22
hell my nylon 66 groups better then a bunch of $1000 10/22
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I'll take a stock 10/22 any day. I have two of them right now.
Plus, ruger just came out with 25 round mags for them. I don't know if the marlin has any high cap options.
I honestly just feel the ruger is a better rifle.
And I would put my stock 10/22 up against any 100 dollar any day.
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I'll stick with Ruger. Even though you don't plan on customizing it you probably will.
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;D I just shot both of them (Ruger 10 22 and Marlin 795) at a weekend Appleseed. I put about 500 rounds downrange with iron Tech-sights on both. The Marlin 795 is the most exceptional cheep gun I have ever shot, 1 1/4 inch group at 50 yards; BUT, it is not really upgradeable, no other stocks, no Volqartson goodies, or trick triggers. My real complaint is the stick magazine that sticks out in the way of my weak hand support and is not conducive to quick magazine changes. That said I am shopping for a Ruger 10 22, probably with the green Hogue overmold stock and I am debating on purchasing the stock carbine or target bull barrel to for Appleseed tack driver. Ultimately it depends on what your long term goals are.
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As much as I've held a grudge against Ruger for years, and as poor as their former rifles have performed I'm real impressed with their current line of both 10/'22 and Mini14s.
The deal was in the past they really didn't go for accuracy, but of late they've been paying more attention. I've owned four Mini14, one Mini30 and a standard model 10/22 none of which would group 1" outside of 10yards. And the Mini14s wouldn't even hold 10" at a 100 yds. BUT NOW: The newer models can are tack drivers especially the 10/22 heavy barrel. Mine at 50yds will make one hole of 5 shots at 50 yds. And at 100Yds. See below
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_udyXWMnOGhI/TFgG4a_fRII/AAAAAAAAd8U/iW62EjqPZ1o/Target072910-03.jpg)
Just let me repeat, if you didn't read it. THAT'S 100 YARDS. My super varmint, heavy barrel Savage wouldn't even do that and it cost ~$400.
Of course, AMMUNITION MATTERS. Here's a comparison at 50yds.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_udyXWMnOGhI/TFgG3TM4xmI/AAAAAAAAd8U/3mY0t-m6sd8/s512/Target072910-02.jpg)
As Okdkat said, There's so much more after market for the Ruger.
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The 10/22 is like legos for adults. Put them together to make many different toys.
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Took my 10/22 Tactical to the range just today. Shot several 3/4" groups at 100 yards. It's not the basic 10/22 and i havent shot the Marlin to compare it to, but I am pretty happy with it.
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Took my 10/22 Tactical to the range just today. Shot several 3/4" groups at 100 yards. It's not the basic 10/22 and i havent shot the Marlin to compare it to, but I am pretty happy with it.
Honestly, I've never shot mine beyond about 30 yards. I 've had the thing for almost 30 years, first gunI bought with money I earned. I never even considered it at 100 yards because it was a tree rat gun, and 30 yards was what my grandad taught me. Sounds silly in retrospect, but early lessons stick and all that. I'll have to expand my horizons. ;D I'm not going to "pimp" this particular ride, but I am hoping its got what it takes to be half way respectable at longer ranges. I will post a range report on a mid '80s 10/22 in a few days. If its not up to current standards, well, its still good enough for what its for. :-\
FQ13
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FQ, I'll think you'll be pleasantly surprised. :)
As Alf said: "Of course, AMMUNITION MATTERS."
Take a good variety and see what your rifle likes. If you have anything near a decent scope on it, it will hold minute of ground squirrel at 100 easy.
(and they're not as big as tree rats)
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FQ, I'll think you'll be pleasantly surprised. :)
As Alf said: "Of course, AMMUNITION MATTERS."
Take a good variety and see what your rifle likes. If you have anything near a decent scope on it, it will hold minute of ground squirrel at 100 easy.
(and they're not as big as tree rats)
Ifin yer from the North we call em 'chipmunks'. ;)
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Different breed down here in the desert. Chipmunks wouldn't last in the heat eating creosote bushes.
I've slayed many a chipmunk during my youth, these are a different species. Close to the same size though.
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FQ if you already own a 10/22 then I would just play with different ammo, get a better trigger, and take the barrel band off, to just see if it groups better. My Rugers will normally shoot 3/8 to 1/2" at 50, but both have trigger pull weights of 2-3 lbs and are scoped, 100 yrd groups are 2" or so, no finger pointing, but if you have a .22rf that shoots less than an inch at 100, label it as to never be sold. I shot the Chevy team challenge for several years and have seen the best, the best was an easy 3k dollars, built by McMillan, with a jewel trigger, their stock and the best of everything, but it takes an exceptional shooter to bring it out. I do recommend the Clark trigger as the most economical.
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Marlin uses "micro groove" barrels. At least the one I have does. And they work pretty darn good! I've also got two 10/22's that I LOVE. 10/22's are near the top of my favorite gun list for that matter. NOTHING from Marlin would even make the top 100. But, if your just looking for a take out of the box shooter... The Marlin will blow away even the 10/22T with any ammo. Speaking from experience. I've tested out to 200 yards many, many times just playing around and learning what the round will really do in different guns.
If your looking for a cheap yet GOOD varmit gun, get a bolt action. Forget the semi-auto. They DO encourage bad shooting! I don't care what anyone claims, and it's NOT just me! ;)
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Different breed down here in the desert. Chipmunks wouldn't last in the heat eating creosote bushes.
I've slayed many a chipmunk during my youth, these are a different species. Close to the same size though.
Went to the pet store the other day and saw they had a prairy dog in a cage for $150 bucks! FAT little guy. Goes to show it's all a matter of perspective! Haz & Quaker should be rounding up lizards to cash in for big $$$ up north!!!
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Went to the pet store the other day and saw they had a prairy dog in a cage for $150 bucks! FAT little guy. Goes to show it's all a matter of perspective! Haz & Quaker should be rounding up lizards to cash in for big $$$ up north!!!
Funny you should mention that. I talked to the HOA yard guy today. We got to talking about his other private work and he mentioned how he'd put down a ton of wood chips for a guniea pig rancher. WTF? Apparently this woman raises the things for pet stores and has 300 of the little beasts running around her back yard (and she doesn't eat them either ;)). So I guess I can do the same with lizards as long as I can find some fool willing to pay for them. Hell, maybe someone will buy the damn squirrel in my back yard, he's already eaten me out of my macadamia nuts, avacados and bannanas. I've gone so far as to name him Belafonte, as in "Please Mr. Tallyman tally me bannanas". The only reason he's still alive is that the dog loves chasing him. If I could get $150 for him I'd be happy as a clam. Hell, I'd take $50 as wholesale. ;D
FQ13
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100 yards with a Tony Kidd 10/22 w/32x scope
(fully modified) Wolf Match ammo (best group ever)
Normal is less than an inch w/no wind, perfect conditions.
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100 yards with a Tony Kidd 10/22 w/32x scope
(fully modified) Wolf Match ammo (best group ever)
Normal is less than an inch w/no wind, perfect conditions.
++++ That's what I'm talkin' 'bout. Don't need not stinkin' bolt action when you can do this with a semi-auto
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FQ, I know a guy who had an iguana back in the late 80's.
The pet store charged him about $30 for it. Figure you can get $10 apeice.
Put in 2 more Habiscus bushes and b!tch all the way to the bank. ;D