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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Ping on June 07, 2011, 09:31:27 AM
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Just finished up a class to obtain a Utah Concealed Carry License. Their license offers more options to carry in other states than what my Indiana Concealed Carry License offers in reciprocity.
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Team that up with a FL out of state CCW and you got a lot of coverage.
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First: I am picky about this one, but words are powerful! Use the proper words or risk sending the wrong message!
Utah does not "license" CCW - "UTAH DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY Concealed Firearm Permit"
Minnesota does not license CCW - "STATE OF MINNESOTA PERMIT TO CARRY A PISTOL"
Rant off.
Now on to your question:
I have both Minnesota (I am a resident) and Utah. I also teach both. Multiple permits give me the opportunity to carry in more places. I am looking at Florida soon, so I can carry their this fall.
Utah has a side benefit of giving me another option of photo id. I have in the past run into security situations where I needed two photo id's and do not like carrying my passport. My Minnesota Drivers License and my Utah Permit give me two government issued photo id's.
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Thanks for the correction M58.
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I do not believe that I need a class to be able to exercise my God given Right. While classes are good, and I support having them available, when they require you to take and pass a history class to be able to vote, I MAY get behind mandatory classes for carrying a weapon.
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I do not believe that I need a class to be able to exercise my God given Right. While classes are good, and I support having them available, when they require you to take and pass a history Civics ,( form and functions of govt. Any one who can not list the 3 branches of Govt. off the top of their head should not be allowed to vote.) class to be able to vote, I MAY get behind mandatory classes for carrying a weapon.
FIFY
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I do not believe that I need a class to be able to exercise my God given Right. While classes are good, and I support having them available, when they require you to take and pass a history class to be able to vote, I MAY get behind mandatory classes for carrying a weapon.
I don't believe it either, but until our Constitutional Rights are restored I will take the classes to avoid being like so many examples we read about or watch on YouTube on here.
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If I have a FL resident CCW would I gain any additional states with a Utah or other state?
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If I have a FL resident CCW would I gain any additional states with a Utah or other state?
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html (http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html)
Click on your state (or the state you have a permit from ), chose resident or non-resident, and the map will show you who honors it.
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Yes, there are some states covered by Utah's permit that FL does not cover and vice versa.
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In my situation the only thing I gain with non-resident FL is FL :'(
I am currently sitting with 32 out of 48 covered. I am hoping that if Minnesota gets their job done next year and honors everyone's that we will pick up a few more. I would like to have FL, CO, NV, OR, SC, and of course KA would be nice. Damn it! Just restore our Second Amendment Rights and screw this whole exercise >:(
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my CCW is good in CA ;)
It really depends on the county( AKA sheriff) on rather or not you get one.
I have no issue with a state not execpting other states permits/lic.
In some state you can have a minor drug conviction, in others you can't.
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my CCW is good in CA ;)
It really depends on the county( AKA sheriff) on rather or not you get one.
I have no issue with a state not execpting other states permits/lic.
In some state you can have a minor drug conviction, in others you can't.
And in some states "moral turpitude" will screw you so to speak :o
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In my situation the only thing I gain with non-resident FL is FL :'(
I am currently sitting with 32 out of 48 covered. I am hoping that if Minnesota gets their job done next year and honors everyone's that we will pick up a few more. I would like to have FL, CO, NV, OR, SC, and of course KA would be nice. Damn it! Just restore our Second Amendment Rights and screw this whole exercise >:(
I'd be happy with Minnesota and Kansas at this point.
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I'm good in 22 states with just NH.
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I'm good in 22 states with just NH.
I'm good in half the states in the country, just not the one within spitting distance of my house. :(
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;D Mass isn't one on my list either . And it's where I'm most likely to need a gun. ;D
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I'd be happy with Minnesota and Kansas at this point.
Minnesota is coming big boy! I've talked with the Majority Whip in the House and the chief author in the House that started the whole ball rolling and where it passed. Senate came real close, but didn't get it done.
They feel that next year all four parts will roll through, and they will have a better chance of getting it past Gov. Veto >:(
By the way - Gov. Veto is better known as Mark Dayton of the Dayton store family, so if you have the chance to avoid Target I'm sure you will dent his trust fund by about 0.0000000000000000000000000000001%
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I'm good in half the states in the country, just not the one within spitting distance of my house. :(
Do you want cheese and crackers with that whine while I protect you fat ass up here?
While I'm at it, what is the speed limit through your fair city? I was going 40 on Sunday and dang near got run over.
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Another good link for CCW reciprocity info:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/
Now that South Carolina has revamped their laws, maybe we can get on board with them and then I'll be good all over the Confederate States as well as a good few western and and a select few Yankee states. ;D
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Do you want cheese and crackers with that whine while I protect you fat ass up here?
While I'm at it, what is the speed limit through your fair city? I was going 40 on Sunday and dang near got run over.
In town the highway speed limit is 35. The freeway is, of course, 65. They only tried to run you over because of the Minnesocold license plates. ;D
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I'm good in 22 states with just NH.
I'm good with about 24 or 25 with my non-resident NH, ME and CT. Will be renewing my MA sometime soon as a non-resident and then RI.
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Another thing many of you seem to be overlooking, many states only recognize an out of state permit if you are a resident of the issuing state. Non resident isn't recognized for reciprocity.
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Another thing many of you seem to be overlooking, many states only recognize an out of state permit if you are a resident of the issuing state. Non resident isn't recognized for reciprocity.
I've checked every source I could including the states I traveled through last summer by checking with the State Police. The only state that doesn't allow my NH is Michigan but it's covered with my CT.
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Thing is, you need to know, and check.
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Thing is, you need to know, and check.
Absolutely!
Check with the Police regardless of what all these reciprocity sites say. I trust basically nothing I read on the internet.
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Checking with the cops will not necessarily help because they don't really try and keep up with changes. Here in Virginia in Fairfax county about a year ago arrested a guy from North Carolina for carrying concealed even though we have a reciprocity agreement with North Carolina. The judge they brought him to cut him loose since no law was broken.
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;D Mass isn't one on my list either . And it's where I'm most likely to need a gun. ;D
Or at least want one. It might be for the best Tom. ;D
FQ13
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;D Mass isn't one on my list either . And it's where I'm most likely to need a gun. ;D
Or at least want one. It might be for the best Tom. ;D
FQ13
This is just the most recent one a different on every couple days, Dorchester, Mattapan, Jamaica Plain, Roxbury.
Guess what they have in common.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2011/06/one_dead_anothe_1.html
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Roslindale
One dead, another seriously injured in Roslindale shooting
E-mail | Print | Comments (6) Posted by Erica Noonan June 5, 2011 11:04 PM
By L. Finch, Globe Correspondent
One person was killed and another person suffered life-threatening injuries after a shooting tonight in Roslindale, Boston police said.
Police received a call for a person shot near 115 Brookway Road at 10:15 p.m., police spokesman Officer James Kenneally said. When police arrived, they found two people suffering gunshot wounds - one was pronounced dead and the other transported to an area hospital, he said.
No further information was immediately available.
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I was thinking more in terms of you encountering the typical Mass lib Dems. OTOH, it can get pretty western there. Good thing they have gun control, otherwise it might be dangerous. ::)
FQ13
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Yeah.
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Absolutely!
Check with the Police regardless of what all these reciprocity sites say. I trust basically nothing I read on the internet.
Not police! Each state's attorney general lists the carry laws.
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Another thing many of you seem to be overlooking, many states only recognize an out of state permit if you are a resident of the issuing state. Non resident isn't recognized for reciprocity.
I try and explain that to Minnesotans that think they need to have only a Utah non-resident. They have bought into all the gun forum talk and think the Utah permit is magic.
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http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html (http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html)
Click on your state (or the state you have a permit from ), chose resident or non-resident, and the map will show you who honors it.
I know about this, my question is does anyone know if there's another permit that can give more states than a FL resident permit. I know I can add Nevada with a Nevada permit and Minnesota with a Minnesota permit but I don't think there's another state that gives extra states beyond that one state if you already have a FL resident permit since it's got the highest reciprocity.
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Yes, there are some states covered by Utah's permit that FL does not cover and vice versa.
My FL resident permit already gives me Utah, the only extra state I see that I get with a Utah non-resident is MN. I might as well just get a MN if I want reciprocity there. The only one that may be worth getting is NV which would give me MN & NV for a total of 39 states covered since my FL resident already gives me 37 states.
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My FL resident permit already gives me Utah, the only extra state I see that I get with a Utah non-resident is MN. I might as well just get a MN if I want reciprocity there. The only one that may be worth getting is NV which would give me MN & NV for a total of 39 states covered since my FL resident already gives me 37 states.
I would call the SD in whatever county you want it for. The out of state permit used out of that state makes me nervous. I want a name, and badge number, and date who tells me its ok so I can supenoa them if it gets weird. Trying to explain to a 23 year old St. Cloud cop that he should honor a Nv. permit with my Fl. dl. seems like begging for pain.
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Call The State Attorney Generals office. They ar the ones who will handle your appeal if the cop you ask is wrong.
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I know about this, my question is does anyone know if there's another permit that can give more states than a FL resident permit. I know I can add Nevada with a Nevada permit and Minnesota with a Minnesota permit but I don't think there's another state that gives extra states beyond that one state if you already have a FL resident permit since it's got the highest reciprocity.
Your answer is mostly in the map. Just select each state and check your residence status. The map will show you what you get, and you can look at the lists. Once you have done this go to the Attorneys General web sites and double check.
The only other way for me to tell you is to do the work for you, and as my teachers always told me "That ain't gonna happen!"
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I did not learn about the Utah license/permit through a forum. Met a guy who teaches it while getting my NRA Pistol Instructor Certification and he offered me the opportunity to attend the class for free. (There are fellows around here who are charging $150 plus for the class). Thought it would be another feather in the cap and it is always good to learn something new. The class was excellent and met more pro-firearm people.
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I believe the situation has changed in recent years....
When Utah and FL where touted as the hot combo for non-res permits to get a large number of covered states, state laws made no distinction between resident and non-resident permits for reciprocity.
When it was learned that Utah and FL were used to acquire a "blanket permit" many states changed their reciprocity statute to specifically resident permits and to exclude non-resident permits.
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I have no issue with a state not execpting other states permits/lic.
In some state you can have a minor drug conviction, in others you can't.
I can only agree on TAB with this one...and, of course, logically extend it to driver's licenses, since the requirements vary from state to state in the number of hours of classroom training, the maneuvers required to pass the road test and all the variances in reasons and length of time licenses can be suspended. You might be driving on a license that is ok in your state but would still be suspended in other states.
One simply has to plan their vacation route to avoid driving through states that don't recognize your license. You better hope the adjacent states don't all not honor your license or you will be flying on a lot of vacations. Check in advance to see if you are allowed to rent a car at your destination.
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I can only agree on TAB with this one...and, of course, logically extend it to driver's licenses, since the requirements vary from state to state in the number of hours of classroom training, the maneuvers required to pass the road test and all the variances in reasons and length of time licenses can be suspended. You might be driving on a license that is ok in your state but would still be suspended in other states.
One simply has to plan their vacation route to avoid driving through states that don't recognize your license. You better hope the adjacent states don't all not honor your license or you will be flying on a lot of vacations. Check in advance to see if you are allowed to rent a car at your destination.
Sounds reasonable to me!
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Your answer is mostly in the map. Just select each state and check your residence status. The map will show you what you get, and you can look at the lists. Once you have done this go to the Attorneys General web sites and double check.
The only other way for me to tell you is to do the work for you, and as my teachers always told me "That ain't gonna happen!"
I've played around with that map before and I can't find anything worth adding to a FL resident but possibly NV. I was wondering if anyone found something I've missed. FL resident gives 37 states and the Nevada would add 2 more (NV & MN). I believe 39 states is about the max for readily obtainable non-resident reciprocity. There are a couple/few more states that claim to offer non-resident shall issue permits like Oregon and Maryland but I've heard they are not to easy to get. I know I'm already covered in all the states I regularly travel in and have pretty much boycotted traveling to states like California, New York and Illinois until they change their laws.
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bafsu92 stated: boycotted traveling to states like California, New York and Illinois until they change their laws.
+100
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bafsu92 stated: boycotted traveling to states like California, New York and Illinois until they change their laws.
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We need organizations that stage competitions in these states to do the same publicly!
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We need organizations that stage competitions in these states to do the same publicly!
Unfortunately, California's gun market is incredibly huge and the promoters of those competitions are getting plenty of support without people traveling there. I guess, thankfully, that it's good that a lot of the people are still wanting to shoot here, or the rights would go completely away. I'm still abandoning ship next week. I can't wait to change my driver's license.
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Where y'headed Fuzdaddy?
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Where y'headed Fuzdaddy?
Leaving California for Utah. By this afternoon I will have abandoned ship on this self-destruct state. When I cross the border into NV, I'll make sure that I don't look back and turn to a pillar salt.
To paraphrase Douglas Adams, CA, so long, and thanks for all the fish.
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Good travels to you Fuzdaddy.
M58, I absolutely agree. But unfortunately, liberals far outnumber the normal people in California. My brother moved out there about 7 years ago from Boston. Great guy, but Cali has put the zap into his way of thinking and he lives in Oakland. He almost was mugged recently, he fought the guy off and had him arrested, but still has anti-gun views. I just do not understand it?
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Since I'm new to this site forgive me for posting a late addition. I definitely believe in multiple CCW's. I have 6 at this point and when Wisconsin finally approves their CC law in November, assuming the have reciprocity with at least one of the states I am registered with, I will be "legal" in 40 states. Granted, I could get nearly that many with fewer CCW's but I feel the more familiar I am with the laws of all these states the better. One can never have enough training or knowledge about the law.
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m58, USPSA has held their National Championships at Pike Adams in Ill. for a number of years and it hasn't impressed Ill. lawmakers! That's not chump change coming into the economy. As an aside, here in Ohio, Cleveland and Berea swaped parcels of land. Cleveland ended up with the International Exposition Center near Hopkins Airport. The Ohio Gun Collectors Association held 6 (I believe) large gunshows there every year. These shows brought in millions. You think Cleveland cared...NO WAY! OGCA was forced to relocate. Money might talk to some but not others.
FWIW
Richard
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Right on 84B20. Welcome to the forum!