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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: ratcatcher55 on June 11, 2011, 06:55:12 PM
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At a local IDPA match my scores seem to be rather poor. Wrote it off as just a bad day.
Then missed a popper at 5 yards six time!
Looked at the front sight and it had drifted about 1/8 inch to the left.
That is the third time between 2 M&P's that the sight had moved on it's own.
Another shooter using an M&P pro said he was having trouble today. We checked his gun and his rear sight was loose and flopping around.
Yes if I send it back S & W will fix it but come on now!
Greatly PO'ed right now. I'm trading both of them in Monday.
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You have my sympathy....I considered getting an M&P but I figure I'll keep what I have. I have never had a problem with my STI Spartan (1911 - 9mm/.45 ACP) nor any of my Glocks.
Best of luck!
At a local IDPA match my scores seem to be rather poor. Wrote it off as just a bad day.
Then missed a popper at 5 yards six time!
Looked at the front sight and it had drifted about 1/8 inch to the left.
That is the third time between 2 M&P's that the sight had moved on it's own.
Another shooter using an M&P pro said he was having trouble today. We checked his gun and his rear sight was loose and flopping around.
Yes if I send it back S & W will fix it but come on now!
Greatly PO'ed right now. I'm trading both of them in Monday.
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That does suck. That's inexcusable for a brand like Smith. I think you're right to just whistle it down the wind. Even if they sent you a brand new one would you want it? There are plenty of good alternatives out there, Glocks, Springfields, Glocks, 1911s, Glocks, Berettas, Glocks etc, ;) Good luck and have fun shopping.
FQ13
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Bummer.
I had to use a spring loaded center punch on the bottom of one front sight to create enough zits for it to grab firmly. It was a bitch to put on but that sucker hasn't moved since!
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Sucks for you.
It means more gun porn for us when you get the replacements ;D
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That is strange because I watched a show where they were instaling sights with a hydraulic press. Others have said that they had a hard time getting their sights out! I suggest you take the sight out and use a center punch to raise up a few dimples to add pressure to the sight dovetail. I have heard this works.
Richard
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That is strange because I watched a show where they were instaling sights with a hydraulic press. Others have said that they had a hard time getting their sights out! I suggest you take the sight out and use a center punch to raise up a few dimples to add pressure to the sight dovetail. I have heard this works.
Richard
It will if the upper is steel, Not so much if it's polymer.
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Locktite red???
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I've used Super Glue on loose sights.
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Drifted it over and took it to the range. Still about 1" at 10 yards.
Working a trade with one of the 3 gun guys for his G-34 with holster and 4 mag for my M&P Pro, holster and 6 magazines.
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Sucks for you.
Most days it sure does seem so!
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Taken out of context like that, that really makes me sound like a pr!ck ;D
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I know I'm probably going to catch hell for saying this, but aside from the Model 41 rimfire, and the Model 52 .38 Match Auto, (which is no longer in production), I wouldn't have a S&W auto pistol rammed up my ass. They make fantastic revolvers, and always have. When they design and build semi autos it's like the whole damn factory went out and got drunk first!
Look at all of the 4*** series. They were changing the design every fifteen minutes, and the damn thing had more parts than the Space Shuttle. The Sigma was a total joke that never went anywhere except into court. I think the charge was trying to impersonate an auto pistol. Now they come out with this M&P Model that started out with a whole slew of slide rusting issues from poor finish application, and is now plagued with what seems to be every problem known to man.
Smith & Wesson had the same opportunity as Springfield did to purchase the rights to manufacture the HS-2000 from I.M. Metals. Of course they didn't and Springfield did, and we all know where that led. The XD is a smashing sales success, and Smith & Wesson went out and got drunk to see what fiasco of a design they could come up with next to compete with Glock. They keep floundering with no end in sight. It's hard to believe they can design and build such wonderful revolvers, then turn around and come up with such crap in a semi auto. It's frustrating to say the least because I like the company. Bill T.
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Taken out of context like that, that really makes me sound like a pr!ck ;D
Go ahead, pat yourself on the back ;D ;D ;D
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...Smith & Wesson went out and got drunk to see what fiasco of a design they could come up with next to compete with Glock. They keep floundering with no end in sight. It's hard to believe they can design and build such wonderful revolvers, then turn around and come up with such crap in a semi auto. It's frustrating to say the least because I like the company. Bill T.
I don't know Bill...I have 2 M&P pistols and I think they are the cat's meow. I'd like a better trigger on them (which is fixable with and APEX kit) but other than that they fit my hand better than Glocks or XDs, have a very low bore axis, shoot very accurately and have been unfailingly reliable.
Granted, that is only 2 data points but it is my experience. I am by no means a S&W fanboy...these are the first I've owned.
I have an XD that I don't shoot anymore because I think the M&P is a much better pistol. I had a SR9c that was a RAGING, FLAMING PIECE OF CRAP. Everytime I mention that, I get shot down and poeple say "oh, every pistol has a few bad ones that escape. Except if you do searches for the light primer strike issue there are dozens of instances you can find on the internet.
I think the M&P line is very good.
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I know I'm probably going to catch hell for saying this..............I wouldn't have a S&W auto pistol rammed up my ass.
Bill T.
You know, Bill, after very brief consideration, I must agree with you. ;) ;D ;D ;D
(I wouldn't have a S&W shoved up mine either........or any other pistol, for that matter)
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I know I'm probably going to catch hell for saying this, Bill T.
Ya think ? ;D
I wouldn't have a S&W auto pistol rammed up my ass. Bill T.
How about if they ground off the front sight ? ;D
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Ya think ? ;D
How about if they ground off the front sight ? ;D
And, what lube would work best? Moly-based? ;D ;D ;D
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For whatever it's worth, I don't own a XD either. Bill T.
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For whatever it's worth, I don't own a XD either. Bill T.
I'd suggest staying away from anything with forward slide serrations. I imagine they hurt. ;D
You'll wind up looking like this guy ;D
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I'd suggest staying away from anything with forward slide serrations. I imagine they hurt. ;D
You'll wind up looking like this guy ;D
(http://mit.zenfs.com/102/2011/06/James-Verone.jpg)
FIFY ;D
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I would figure it's a personal preference billt. I don't like the grip angle or texture of the XD. Even though it's a damn fine pistol.
Same with the Glockenspiel 21 I own. aka railroad tie, with grip.
However, as the Sigma were an attempt to rush something out to keep up with G's, the 4006,4506, and a couple other 4series were all steel, and except for the Clintonista "no fire without mag crap" are still holding their value today.
I had a original 411 in .40. bought in 93ish. Trijicon sights, and shot the crap out of it. Never an issue.
The M&P (I own two), have a better grip texture and angle that the OTHER maunfacturers had to play catch up with, as M&P came out with different size grip panels first.
All in all, regardless of brand, the Gen 4 Glocks, XD's, Sig's, etc,... are good pistols...I've also seen $2200 Kimber's fail to eject and feed. I won't change my opinion about my M&P's as I've run them hard and they keep going.
I hate it for rat, and am certain he'll get one that works for him.
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I would figure it's a personal preference billt.
I don't like the texture of the XD.
I'm not even going there ;D
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I got the M&P Pro back today. They replaced both front and rear sights.
They also threw in one of those baby MA compliant magazines, a 10 rounder.
I shoot IDPA with it so that will work.
If I see Bane this weekend at the Shooting Industry Masters wearing a Kilt I'll take a picture and have it posted.
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I got the M&P Pro back today. They replaced both front and rear sights.
They also threw in one of those baby MA compliant magazines, a 10 rounder.
I shoot IDPA with it so that will work.
If I see Bane this weekend at the Shooting Industry Masters wearing a Kilt I'll take a picture and have it posted.
Get the "Eye bleach" ready ! ;D
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Really liked the Smith and Wesson M&P 9C that I bought for my wife. Problem I had was the magazine release was too easy and caused my magazine to fall out twice at the supermarket. Time to go and purchased a Glock 30SF to replace. Never looked back. Now for the the Smith and Wesson M&P Rifle, would love to own one. And I do like S&W revolvers...
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Locktite red???
Bingo! It's not that big of friggin' deal in my book. My four M&P's haven't given any problems from the factory and when I did replace the sights, a little loctite red cinched things just fine.
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Bingo! It's not that big of friggin' deal in my book. My four M&P's haven't given any problems from the factory and when I did replace the sights, a little loctite red cinched things just fine.
Here's how I look at it. If I pay my own good money for a rifle/shotgun/pistol don't ask me to play armorer to fix your QC or design problems.
I could have locktite or peen the parts but that is not happening because if something went wrong again and it had to make another trip to MA I would not want to hear, Sorry Mr., you voided the warranty.
Do it right or make it right but don't tell my to clean up your crap for you. Not happening.
S&W has stepped up both times and made it right so I'm OK with the process. Your milage may vary.
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Whether it's life or competition, You need to have implicit faith in your tools.
How well it may work for some one else is totally irrelevant if it doesn't work for you.
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Here's how I look at it. If I pay my own good money for a rifle/shotgun/pistol don't ask me to play armorer to fix your QC or design problems.
I could have locktite or peen the parts but that is not happening because if something went wrong again and it had to make another trip to MA I would not want to hear, Sorry Mr., you voided the warranty. Do it right or make it right but don't tell my to clean up your crap for you. Not happening.
I agree, and I'm seeing more and more of this kind of acceptance of manufacturers failing to do their job at the factory. I get tired of reading about these "proven fixes" for so many of these guns. Mistakes happen in manufacturing. That I understand. But quality control should catch them. And if there is a constant, reoccurring problem with customers returning guns because of the same issue, manufacturing corrections should be made, but many times because of cost reasons, they are not, and the problem continues as a result. Bill T.
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Sorry to hear that I am a fan of the M&P and I have been wanting an M&P Pro 40. I hope they solve the problem because I'm hard headed and I might buy one anyway. Good luck on the trade.
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One of my Co workers got a deal on a relatively unused M&P Pro 40
Sweet pistol.
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One of my Co workers got a deal on a relatively unused M&P Pro 40
Sweet pistol.
Don't make the RIA jealous Tom.... you don't wanna upset the 1911 gods pal!
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Not planning on getting one myself, but it is a nice pistol. ;D