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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on October 22, 2011, 07:09:20 AM
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Take a few minutes to read this....
http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2011/10/15/212-4/
here are some snips:
TEL AVIV — An influential “crisis management organization” that boasts billionaire George Soros as a member of its executive board recently recommended the U.S. deploy a special advisory military team to Uganda to help with operations and run an intelligence platform.
The president-emeritus of that organization, the International Crisis Group, is the principal author of Responsibility to Protect, the military doctrine used by Obama to justify the U.S.-led NATO campaign in Libya.
Soros’ own Open Society Institute is one of only three nongovernmental funders of the Global Centre for Responsibility to Protect, a doctrine that has been cited many times by activists urging intervention in Uganda.
Authors and advisers of the Responsibility to Protect doctrine, including a center founded and led by Samantha Power, the National Security Council special adviser to Obama on human rights, also helped to found the International Criminal Court.
Soros himself maintains close ties to oil interests in Uganda. His organizations have been the leading efforts purportedly to facilitate more transparency in Uganda’s oil industry, which is being tightly controlled by the country’s leadership.
Both conservatives and liberals have raised questions about whether military involvement in Uganda advances U.S. interests.
Since 2008 the U.S. has been providing financial aid in the form of military equipment to Uganda and the other regional countries to fight Kony’s LRA, but Obama’s new deployment escalates the direct U.S. involvement.
Soros sits in the ICG’s executive board along with Samuel Berger, Bill Clinton’s former national security advisor; George J. Mitchell, former U.S. Senate Majority Leader who served as a Mideast envoy to both Obama and President Bush; and Javier Solana, a socialist activist who is NATO’s former Secretary-General as well as the former Foreign Affairs Minister of Spain.
Jimmy Carter’s national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is the ICG’s senior advisor.
******MUCH MORE at link.....
I'm not a WND uber fan, but the links and cites are there to verify.
Kinda makes you go Hmmmmm....
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We have known for a long time that BO walks funny because of having George Soros' hand up his ass like a sock puppet.
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You know, I sometimes think that Soros must post these articles on his "ego wall" along with the awards and photos with Presidents and such. I'll grant you that he is a rich and well connected guy who likes to play politics. But honestly, to listen to the folks at WND and Prison planet and the like, you'd think he was responsible for the designated hitter rule, rap music and TV time outs at football games. ;D
As to Uganda? The Lord's Resistance Army is bad news. Child soldiers, rape, mutilation and the whole nine yards. Uganda has been a US ally and pro-Western government in the region for years. This is actually important as the Chinese are rapidly expanding their reach in this resource rich region. That said? A few special forces teams to train makes sense. Anything beyond it is folly. We have only so many resources to spend.
FQ13
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You know, I sometimes think that Soros must post these articles on his "ego wall" along with the awards and photos with Presidents and such. I'll grant you that he is a rich and well connected guy who likes to play politics. But honestly, to listen to the folks at WND and Prison planet and the like, you'd think he was responsible for the designated hitter rule, rap music and TV time outs at football games. ;D
As to Uganda? The Lord's Resistance Army is bad news. Child soldiers, rape, mutilation and the whole nine yards. Uganda has been a US ally and pro-Western government in the region for years. This is actually important as the Chinese are rapidly expanding their reach in this resource rich region. That said? A few special forces teams to train makes sense. Anything beyond it is folly. We have only so many resources to spend.
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FQ, does the name "White Star" ring any bells in your head ?
That was " A few special forces teams to train" by another Dem president.
As for Soros, do the research, this meddling bastard makes the tin foil version of the Rothschild's look tame.
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FQ, does the name "White Star" ring any bells in your head ?
That was " A few special forces teams to train" by another Dem president.
That one got just a little bit out of hand. ;) However, traing missions are what Army SF is for. We've sent them to El Salvador, Nicargua, Costa Rica, Yemen and a hundred other places we will never know about. As I said, we shouldn't get directly involved. But the Chinese will do business with the LRA. It seems worth letting SF do what it does best. Not fighting, but teaching others to fight.
FQ13
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One can make any number of points about Soros. He is the most openly anti-Semitic Jew in recent memory. He is a one-world-order proponent who believes in total socialist domination. He has manipulated currency markets to the detriment of governments all over Europe. If ever there was an evil puppet-master, George Soros fits the bill.
That the Quaker either cannot or will not see the truth of this is further proof of the blindness incumbent to those on the left.
If it looks like, waddles like, and quacks like a duck,you can bet it's our own Fighting Quacker.
This ad hominim attack is brought to you today by Crusader Rabbit.
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Ad hominem all you want. I just don't see the relevance of Soros here. A friendly government is in a bad situation, an unfriendly government is looking to gain advantage if the LRA succeeds. Who cares if its Soros, Donald Trump or Donald Duck suggesting assistance? A good idea is a good idea as long as its just limited technical assistance.
FQ13
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What U.S. interests could Uganda possibly have? Oil? Really? Soros's Oil? Oh that's right,...We're playing "follow the true leaders" in a "Global Initiative." Which include socialist, anti-semitic, holocaust deniers, that believe in spreading the wealth around....Gee, where have I heard that....
FTA:
Responsibility doctrine founder Thakur recently advocated for a “global rebalancing” and “international redistribution” to create a “New World Order.”
In a piece last March in the Ottawa Citizen newspaper, “Toward a new world order,” Thakur wrote, “Westerners must change lifestyles and support international redistribution.”
Thakur contended “the demonstration of the limits to U.S. and NATO power in Iraq and Afghanistan has left many less fearful of ‘superior’ Western power.”
A weaker, more apologetic United States, that has to have "skin in the game" of a NWO......Gee,...a BHO plan from the beginning.
Where's the UN? oh,...nevermind..., and the Uganda Gov't is primarily,......wait for it,..... totally corrupt. So of course we'll send American troops to defend them from the LRA, in addition to the Millions of $$$$$ we already have been sending them...
All is well,...nothing to see here folks,....move along,...
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Its not about oil or gold. The new gold rush is about the industrial minerals we use in our cell phones, computers and electronic devices. East Africa is rich in them, things like coltan and cobalt. China has been expanding its reach in the region for years while the rest of the world looked away. Hell they've been a player there since the Congo wars in the sixties. I'm not saying we intervene. You know I am opposed to that. However, hearing the word Africa and rolling your eyes assuming that its not importand doesn't work either. We do have a strategic interest there, even if we all wish we didn't.
FQ13
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Kind of long, but it shows they have been around for a long time and haven't made any progress against local regimes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
In 1988, Alice Lakwena established the Holy Spirit Movement, a resistance movement claimed to be inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. She portrayed herself as a prophet who received messages from the Holy Spirit of God. She expressed the belief that the Acholi could defeat the government run by Yoweri Museveni by casting off witchcraft and spiritualism embedded in their culture. According to her messages from God, her followers should cover their bodies with shea nut oil as protection from bullets, never take cover or retreat in battle, and never kill snakes or bees.[19]
Joseph Kony would later preach a similar superstition encouraging soldiers to use oil to draw a cross on their chest as a protection from bullets. During an interview with Jimmie Briggs, Alice Lakwena distanced herself from Kony, claiming that the spirit doesn’t want them to kill civilians or prisoners of war. Meanwhile, Kony gained a reputation as having been possessed by spirits. He became a spiritual figure or a medium. Lakwena scored several key victories on the battlefield and began a march towards Kampala.[when?] Kony seized this opportunity to recruit members of the Ugandan People's Democratic Army (UPDA) and Holy Spirit remnants. In 1988, when Lakwena was defeated in Jinja and fled to Kenya, Kony became the leader of the Holy Spirit Mobile Force II some years later.
According to UPDF spokesman Lt. Col. Shaban Bantariza, mediation efforts by the Carter Center and the Pope have been spurned by Kony.[20]
In January, 1997 the LRA attacked Lamwo, in northern Uganda. More than 400 people were killed, and approximately 100,000 people were displaced.[21]
In May, 2002 the LRA attacked Eastern Equatoria in Sudan. An estimated 450 people were killed, and witnesses state some villagers were forced to walk off a cliff.[21]
On December 25, 2008, the LRA massacred 189 people and abducted 120 children during a concert celebration sponsored by the Catholic church in Faradje, Democratic Republic of the Congo, continuing the attack on December 26. Shortly afterwards, the LRA struck three additional communities: 75 people killed in a church north of Dungu, and the church burned; 48 people killed in Bangadi, and 213 people in Gurba.[22] The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs estimated the death toll as 189 in Faradje, Doruma and Gurba.[22] However, Caritas International estimated the number of victims to be about 500.
On December 28, 2008, the Ugandan army published details of the Doruma attack, accusing LRA rebels of hacking to death 45 people in a church there.[23] An aid official speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity confirmed the December 26 massacre, saying the killings took place in a Catholic church in the Doruma area, around 40 kilometres (25 mi) from the Sudanese border. "There are body parts everywhere. Inside the church, the entrance and in the church compound," the aid official said. "We got information the rebels cut 45 people into pieces," added army spokesman Captain Chris Magezi.[23]
Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon stated that he "condemns in the strongest possible terms the appalling atrocities reportedly committed by the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) in recent days".[24] Caritas International said that it was "shocked by its staff reports" of the massacres.[25]
Congo's army, along with armed forces from Uganda]] and Sudan, launched raids against LRA rebels in December 2008 intended to disarm the LRA and end its rebellion. The raids were unsuccessful.
Efforts by the Ugandan army in early 2009 ('Operation Lightning Thunder') to inflict a final military defeat on the LRA were not fully successful. Rather, the US-supported operation resulted in brutal revenge attacks by the LRA, with over 1,000 people killed in Congo and Sudan. The military action in the DRC did not result in the capture or killing of Kony, who remained elusive.[26]
UGANDA has resources but they are only a fraction of the economy and of no strategic importance to any one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda#Economy
Uganda has substantial natural resources, including fertile soils, regular rainfall, and sizable mineral deposits of copper and cobalt. The country has largely untapped reserves of both crude oil and natural gas.[22] While agriculture used to account for 56% of the economy in 1986, with coffee as its main export, it has now been surpassed by the services sector, which accounted for 52% of percent GDP in 2007
Looks to me like between his interests in PetroBras, and Yukos, the "Ugly Hungarian" is trying to tie up all the 3rd world oil he can get his hands on no matter how minor.
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Its not about oil or gold. The new gold rush is about the industrial minerals we use in our cell phones, computers and electronic devices. East Africa is rich in them, things like coltan and cobalt. China has been expanding its reach in the region for years while the rest of the world looked away. Hell they've been a player there since the Congo wars in the sixties. I'm not saying we intervene.
Boots on the ground IS intervening. Remember the little kerfuffle called Vietnam? It started with "advisers" and "trainers".
We do have a strategic interest there, even if we all wish we didn't.
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Spoken like a faux libertarian. Foreign entanglements are absolute anathema to a true libertarian. Ever listen to that politician who's name shall not be mentioned? He wants to pull all the troops home, close the bases around the world, and hunker down inside our own borders only. And he is almost always presented as the very epitome of a libertarian.
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Ever listen to that politician who's name shall not be mentioned? He wants to pull all the troops home, close the bases around the world, and hunker down inside our own borders only. And he is almost always presented as the very epitome of a libertarian.
He's also the epitome of an ideologue. Theory is nice, but its a cold hard world and we have to live in it.As Reagan tried to say "Facts are stubborn things". I admire a man who is pure in his principles. I'll vote for one who can get the job done.
FQ13
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He's also the epitome of an ideologue. Theory is nice, but its a cold hard world and we have to live in it.As Reagan tried to say "Facts are stubborn things". I admire a man who is pure in his principles. I'll vote for one who can get the job done.
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So was George Washington an ideologue too when he warned about foreign entanglements in his farewell address? And we know he never accomplished a damn thing.... ::)
Just in case anyone wants to read what he had to say:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp)
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So was George Washington an ideologue too when he warned about foreign entanglements in his farewell address? And we know he never accomplished a damn thing.... ::)
Just in case anyone wants to read what he had to say:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp)
That worked out so well we wound up at war with France, (1800) , the Barbary Pirates, and England, (1812).
It also ignores the fact we would not have gained our freedom with out the aid of France.
But George had an excuse, it was a new idea.
Now it is an idea that was flawed 2 centuries ago, and ignores the realities of the real world.
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That worked out so well we wound up at war with France, (1800) , the Barbary Pirates, and England, (1812).
It also ignores the fact we would not have gained our freedom with out the aid of France.
But George had an excuse, it was a new idea.
Now it is an idea that was flawed 2 centuries ago, and ignores the realities of the real world.
You raise some valid counter points. But I ask how do we account for Switzerland's track record? They have broad trade relations and they don't get involved in foreign disputes. Heck, they managed to stay out of WWII of all things.
Our troubles really started a century ago when we started working with Britain on foreign policy matters.
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Your right FA about "our" troubles beginning around 100 years ago. But it wasn't with the Brits.... It was the birth of the modern "Progressive" Movement. Prohibition, Eugenics, The Fed, Scientific Welfare, not moral, ethical, or religious reasons became the norm.
It's also when Progressive's entered in mass, the Universities, and a majority of academia..
It also created a segment of gov't, where "Thou Shalt Be Dependent Upon". Unions and the "Income Tax" came about during this time. The Progressives and Unions were once in favor of Heavy restrictions on immigration..(see morphed reference below)..
Most Progressives, even were opposed to FDR's New Deal.....(But we're from the gov't, and we're here to help.)...
Now, 100 years later. The "standard definition" of a Progressive, has morphed into an ideology even farther Left, and far more dangerous.
Interesting and unbiased history of the Progressive Movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era
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You raise some valid counter points. But I ask how do we account for Switzerland's track record? They have broad trade relations and they don't get involved in foreign disputes. Heck, they managed to stay out of WWII of all things.
Our troubles really started a century ago when we started working with Britain on foreign policy matters.
They were in WWII up to their eyeballs, FA, they just didn't shoot at anyone. They simply funded Germany's involvement in the "unpleasantness".
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No Country was immune during WWII...Even Sweden, which maintained it's neutrality, let the Wehrmacht transport equip. and ammo, on it's rail lines...The Swedes technically never got involved in International Affairs since the Napoleonic Wars, around 1815. BUT had some involvement. It got away with it, from an Aryan Race point of view. Norway Caved, and Finland fought as long as it could, but never caved, as it was Russian influenced, and never signed the Pact Of Steel.
C'mon FA....The Swiss had an armed citizenry. The German Field Marshall told the Swiss Premiere, I will invade Geneva with 1,000,000 men.
The Swiss replied "Fine, EVERY Swiss citizen will only have to fire three times." (paraphrased), but the Germans knew the Swiss were ALL ARMED...Right down to the Dog Catcher. It was not a direction they wanted to go....They had other DISARMED countries to get.
Kinda a Mexican Standoff, with the Swiss and Nazi's. But the Swiss did backdoor enable in other ways... I'm sure Tom will have even more to add.
Right up until Russia,....and we know how that turned out....
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The Germans knew the Swiss would destroy every bridge through the mountains and cutoff the supply lines south into Italy. In return for not invading Switzerland, the Swiss pretty much let the Nazi's run roughshod through their lands and turned their backs on what was being transported.
The Swiss were just as culpable as Mussolini.....
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No one screws with Switzerland because they hold every bodies cash.
During WWII Switzerland was Neutral/pro Germany same as Spain.
Why would the Germans need to invade some one who was basically on their side any way ?
The trade between the 2 country's has been well documented, including seizing the assets of German Jews and turning them over to the Reich .
Sweden ? Every bit of Norwegian iron ore that was shipped to the Reich traveled across Swedish rail lines and left from Swedish ports to evade the British blockade.
The ones who really got screwed were the Finns. They needed allies in their resistance against Russia invasion and the only ones in a position to do more than say "Give 'em hell" were the Germans.
England gave them some obsolete air craft, but the Germans supplied ammo, weapons, and other modern gear in useful amounts.
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No one screws with Switzerland because they hold every bodies cash.
Bingo! That is a big key to their track record. They have leverage with other countries and they have a demonstrated track record of not putting their troops on foreign soil to engage in empire building.
Yes, they were involved in WWII in helping finance Hitler's war machine. But here's a dirty little secret - so were our banks too! In fact W's granddaddy was a director in an investment bank that helped fund Hitler's regime (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html)).
My point about Switzerland is they find a way to stay out of other countries affairs while maintaining some trade relations with everyone. This stance combined with a solid national defense has kept them out of invasions and wars for several hundred years.
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Bingo! That is a big key to their track record. They have leverage with other countries and they have a demonstrated track record of not putting their troops on foreign soil to engage in empire building.
Yes, they were involved in WWII in helping finance Hitler's war machine. But here's a dirty little secret - so were our banks too! In fact W's granddaddy was a director in an investment bank that helped fund Hitler's regime (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html)).
My point about Switzerland is they find a way to stay out of other countries affairs while maintaining some trade relations with everyone. This stance combined with a solid national defense has kept them out of invasions and wars for several hundred years.
You misunderstand, and misinterpret the history. The ability of Swiss troops, coupled with the defensive advantages that terrain gave them forced the "powers" to find another way to deal with them since they could not beat them in battle.
Until the invention of Chocolate and Coo coo clocks Switzerland only had one export, Mercenary Pike men, and Crossbowmen.
Therefore Switzerland is a lousy comparison since they don't actually have any thing any one wants.
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To the original post, have a look at how many currencies the guy and his not insignificant hedge fund clout have crashed, for fun and profit.. Even the Chineese are leary of the guy..
I'm sorry. Anything that guys dead/cold hand hand comes near is not in the best interest of the United States. The man is dangerous to all of us, even friends of Bloomberg and Obama..
(In my uninvited opinion)..
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To the original post, have a look at how many currencies the guy and his not insignificant hedge fund clout have crashed, for fun and profit.. Even the Chineese are leary of the guy..
I'm sorry. Anything that guys dead/cold hand hand comes near is not in the best interest of the United States. The man is dangerous to all of us, even friends of Bloomberg and Obama..
(In my uninvited opinion)..
I'll agree with that !
He's been a totalitarian ever since he met his first Nazi as a kid, and he didn't change under Stalinist communism.
He just wants to be the pig with his snout in the trough.
And I'm not a bit sorry for my opinion .