Puppet Master Soros, Pulling The Strings In US Troops In Uganda

[Pathfinder]

Its not about oil or gold. The new gold rush is about the industrial minerals we use in our cell phones, computers and electronic devices. East Africa is rich in them, things like coltan and cobalt. China has been expanding its reach in the region for years while the rest of the world looked away. Hell they've been a player there since the Congo wars in the sixties. I'm not saying we intervene.

Boots on the ground IS intervening. Remember the little kerfuffle called Vietnam? It started with "advisers" and "trainers".

We do have a strategic interest there, even if we all wish we didn't.
FQ13

Spoken like a faux libertarian. Foreign entanglements are absolute anathema to a true libertarian. Ever listen to that politician who's name shall not be mentioned? He wants to pull all the troops home, close the bases around the world, and hunker down inside our own borders only. And he is almost always presented as the very epitome of a libertarian.

[fightingquaker13]

Ever listen to that politician who's name shall not be mentioned? He wants to pull all the troops home, close the bases around the world, and hunker down inside our own borders only. And he is almost always presented as the very epitome of a libertarian.

He's also the epitome of an ideologue. Theory is nice, but its a cold hard world and we have to live in it.As Reagan tried to say "Facts are stubborn things". I admire a man who is pure in his principles. I'll vote for one who can get the job done.
FQ13

[fullautovalmet76]

He's also the epitome of an ideologue. Theory is nice, but its a cold hard world and we have to live in it.As Reagan tried to say "Facts are stubborn things". I admire a man who is pure in his principles. I'll vote for one who can get the job done.
FQ13

So was George Washington an ideologue too when he warned about foreign entanglements in his farewell address? And we know he never accomplished a damn thing.... 

Just in case anyone wants to read what he had to say:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

[tombogan03884]

So was George Washington an ideologue too when he warned about foreign entanglements in his farewell address? And we know he never accomplished a damn thing....  

Just in case anyone wants to read what he had to say:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

That worked out so well we wound up at war with France, (1800) , the Barbary Pirates, and England, (1812).
It also ignores the fact we would not have gained our freedom with out the aid of France.
But George had an excuse, it was a new idea.
Now it is an idea that was flawed 2 centuries ago, and ignores the realities of the real world.

[fullautovalmet76]

That worked out so well we wound up at war with France, (1800) , the Barbary Pirates, and England, (1812).
It also ignores the fact we would not have gained our freedom with out the aid of France.
But George had an excuse, it was a new idea.
Now it is an idea that was flawed 2 centuries ago, and ignores the realities of the real world.

You raise some valid counter points. But I ask how do we account for Switzerland's track record? They have broad trade relations and they don't get involved in foreign disputes. Heck, they managed to stay out of WWII of all things.

Our troubles really started a century ago when we started working with Britain on foreign policy matters.

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[twyacht]

Your right FA about "our" troubles beginning around 100 years ago. But it wasn't with the Brits.... It was the birth of the modern "Progressive" Movement. Prohibition, Eugenics, The Fed, Scientific Welfare, not moral, ethical, or religious reasons became the norm.
 It's also when Progressive's entered in mass, the Universities, and a majority of academia..

It also created a segment of gov't, where "Thou Shalt Be Dependent Upon". Unions and the "Income Tax" came about during this time. The Progressives and Unions were once in favor of Heavy restrictions on immigration..(see morphed reference below)..

Most Progressives, even were opposed to FDR's New Deal.....(But we're from the gov't, and we're here to help.)...

Now, 100 years later. The "standard definition" of a Progressive, has morphed into an ideology even farther Left, and far more dangerous.

Interesting and unbiased history of the Progressive Movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era

[Pathfinder]

You raise some valid counter points. But I ask how do we account for Switzerland's track record? They have broad trade relations and they don't get involved in foreign disputes. Heck, they managed to stay out of WWII of all things.

Our troubles really started a century ago when we started working with Britain on foreign policy matters.

They were in WWII up to their eyeballs, FA, they just didn't shoot at anyone. They simply funded Germany's involvement in the "unpleasantness".

[twyacht]

No Country was immune during WWII...Even Sweden, which maintained it's neutrality, let the Wehrmacht transport equip. and ammo, on it's rail lines...The Swedes technically never got involved in International Affairs since the Napoleonic Wars, around 1815. BUT had some involvement. It got away with it, from an Aryan Race point of view. Norway Caved, and Finland fought as long as it could, but never caved, as it was Russian influenced, and never signed the Pact Of Steel.

C'mon FA....The Swiss had an armed citizenry. The German Field Marshall told the Swiss Premiere, I will invade Geneva with 1,000,000 men.

The Swiss replied "Fine, EVERY Swiss citizen will only have to fire three times." (paraphrased), but the Germans knew the Swiss were ALL ARMED...Right down to the Dog Catcher. It was not a direction they wanted to go....They had other DISARMED countries to get.

Kinda a Mexican Standoff, with the Swiss and Nazi's. But the Swiss did backdoor enable in other ways... I'm sure Tom will have even more to add.

Right up until Russia,....and we know how that turned out....

[Timothy]

The Germans knew the Swiss would destroy every bridge through the mountains and cutoff the supply lines south into Italy.  In return for not invading Switzerland, the Swiss pretty much let the Nazi's run roughshod through their lands and turned their backs on what was being transported.

The Swiss were just as culpable as Mussolini.....

[tombogan03884]

No one screws with Switzerland because they hold every bodies cash.
During WWII Switzerland was Neutral/pro Germany same as Spain.
Why would the Germans need to invade some one who was basically on their side any way ?
The trade between the 2 country's has been well documented, including seizing the assets of German Jews and turning them over to the Reich .
Sweden ? Every bit of Norwegian iron ore that was shipped to the Reich traveled across Swedish rail lines and left from Swedish ports to evade the British blockade.
The ones who really got screwed were the Finns. They needed allies in their resistance against Russia invasion and the only ones in a position to do more than say "Give 'em hell" were the Germans.
England gave them some obsolete air craft, but the Germans supplied ammo, weapons, and other modern gear in useful amounts.