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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: mkm on October 28, 2011, 01:15:45 PM
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From the article:
"We will attempt to teach you all the necessary information you need to obtain your [Concealed Handgun License]," the ad says. Then towards the end, it adds: "If you are a socialist liberal and/or voted for the current campaigner in chief, please do not take this class. You have already proven that you cannot make a knowledgeable and prudent decision under the law."
And then: "If you are a non-Christian Arab or Muslim, I will not teach you the class with no shame; I am Crockett Keller, thank you, and God bless America."
More at link.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/ad-gun-training-bars-muslims-obama-voters-153954962.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/ad-gun-training-bars-muslims-obama-voters-153954962.html)
What do you think?
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The guy is an idiot, but I support his right to choose. Furthermore, why is it that government tries to force people, at gunpoint, to associate and do business with those that they find distasteful? This guy is the perfect idiot to make national news that appeals to the lowest common denominator. While everyone is weeping and gnashing teeth about something as meaningless as this, the TSA is conducting warrantless searches on our highways, the president is reviewing his list of American citizens that he wants to kill with no due process, the banks and their corporate/Congress cronies are raping us all, people are losing their homes, FEMA camps are being built, the dollar is collapsing, The TSA is molesting kids at the airports, the US military is drone bombing innocent civilians to death in the Middle East, cops are summarily executing people on the roadsides. My point is that there is a whole lot of stuff that actually affects ALL OF US out here that we should be concerned about. Not stupid bullcrap like this.
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Mauler,
Please support your statement that the police are summarily executing people on the roadsides. That's news to me!
I have no love or hate for the police but this seems a bit off the deep end unless you can support it with facts. We all know that facts are stubborn things.
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Looks like he is excluding all Arabs who are not Christians. No Jewish Arabs allowed...or any other religion but Christian.
I do wonder if his statement might be punctuated like this:
"If you are a non-Christian, Arab or Muslim, I will not teach you the class with no shame; I am Crockett Keller, thank you, and God bless America."
It seems more likely that he would exclude all non-Christians, not just those who are also Arabs.
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This guy goes way beyond just being stupid, "The fact is, if you are a devout Muslim, then you cannot be a true American," last time I checked the US was founded on religious freedom, not Christian only freedom.
Yes, he has the right to refuse to train an individual but not an entire population.
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This guy goes way beyond just being stupid, "The fact is, if you are a devout Muslim, then you cannot be a true American," last time I checked the US was founded on religious freedom, not Christian only freedom.
Yes, he has the right to refuse to train an individual but not an entire population.
Well, maybe not legally, but he should have the right to refuse service to whom he chooses. Unless, some how, he is funded by the government or given a "monopoly" by the government or due to the type of service....public emergency rooms, for instance.
My point was that if he is making restrictions on personal choice, we should be aware of exactly what he finds objectionable so that we will be able to decide to support, or not support, him and his beliefs with our patronage.
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He has every right to refuse services to anyone as long as he is a private business. You may not like it but that's not the point.
The government has no right to tell you how to run your business with the exception of taxes, safety etc...
The fact that they've been doing just that the last thirty or forty years has no bearing on their lawful right to interfere. We've allowed the government to become the moderator when a minority complains too loudly.
I think the guy is probably a douche bag but that doesn't change anything.
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Let me play the devil's advocate for a moment.
Would you train someone that you may meet on opposite sides of the field of battle?
I know brother fought brother in the civil war and families, friends and soldiers have fallen on opposite sides of battles but would you train a member of a gang?
Not that all of the people he cites are going to bear arms against us but he may feel that it is a strong enough possibility that he would rather lose business. :-\
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This guy goes way beyond just being stupid, "The fact is, if you are a devout Muslim, then you cannot be a true American," last time I checked the US was founded on religious freedom, not Christian only freedom.
Yes, he has the right to refuse to train an individual but not an entire population.
That is an exactly true statement J.
For a truly devout Muslim the precepts of their religion and and the fundamental basis of American society are mutually exclusive.
Lets take every one is equal for example, Try telling Danica Patrick she can't drive a car because she's a "mere woman".
America was built by people who took the world in their hands and turned it upside down, (The name Steve Jobs ring a bell ? )
Islam ? The very word translates as "submission".
If this guy wishes to avoid training people who can't or won't except the duties placed on them by the founders then I say more power to him.
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Mauler,
Please support your statement that the police are summarily executing people on the roadsides. That's news to me!
I have no love or hate for the police but this seems a bit off the deep end unless you can support it with facts. We all know that facts are stubborn things.
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w225.html
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w226.html
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w230.html
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w218.html
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w217.html
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http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w225.html
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w226.html
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w230.html
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w218.html
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w217.html
Of those five references, I'm only familiar with the last. Surely the Swat team went a bit overboard and killed a man who didn't deserve to be killed. I don't know the circumstances or the details other than what I've read. I'm not a big fan of SWAT or Paramilitary operations at the urban level. Too much firepower fueled by small intellect and steroids!
As to this Grigg fellow, I've have no idea who he is or what he believes. I will not consider these references as the last word on "police summarily executing people by the roadsides". I do appreciate your efforts to produce some evidence but that doesn't prove anything.
Surely there are police that overstep their authority, surely people are judged before they're are tried, surely people are harmed while police are "performing their duties" but unless and until they are tried in a court of law for those offenses as delineated by the Constitution of the United States, they're guilty of nothing.
I don't read blogs. I don't read blithering nonsense from people I know nothing about. I don't read the paper, I don't watch the news other than NBC and even that I take with a LARGE GRAIN of SALT. I've made up my mind years ago that though this country ain't perfect, it's the best we've got.
Ron Paul is not the savior we're looking for to save this country. The citizens of the United States of America are the collective savior for all we believe in, hope for and pray for! It's really not about who's the head dipshit in charge is it?
Respectfully submitted...
Timothy
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Of those three references, I'm only familiar with the last. Surely the Swat team went a bit overboard and killed a man who didn't deserve to be killed. I don't know the circumstances or the details other than what I've read. I'm not a big fan of SWAT or Paramilitary operations at the urban level. Too much firepower fueled by small intellect and steroids!
As to this Grigg fellow, I've have no idea who he is or what he believes. I will not consider these references as the last word on "police summarily executing people by the roadsides". I do appreciate your efforts to produce some evidence but that doesn't prove anything.
Surely there are police that overstep their authority, surely people are judged before they're are tried, surely people are harmed while police are "performing their duties" but unless and until they are tried in a court of law for those offenses as delineated by the Constitution of the United States, they're guilty of nothing.
I don't read blogs. I don't read blithering nonsense from people I know nothing about. I don't read the paper, I don't watch the news other than NBC and even that I take with a LARGE GRAIN of SALT. I've made up my mind years ago that though this country ain't perfect, it's the best we've got.
Ron Paul is not the savior we're looking for to save this country. The citizens of the United States of America are the collective savior for all we believe in, hope for and pray for! It's really not about who's the head dipshit in charge is it?
Respectfully submitted...
Timothy
Enjoy.
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Enjoy.
That's all you've got?
I thought you were a smart guy!
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That's all you've got?
I thought you were a smart guy!
He's a kid, all he has is a tin foil blog and he thinks it's secret truth being revealed to him.
Kind of like your first "Playboy". ;D
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That's all you've got?
I thought you were a smart guy!
I really didn't have a response. Enjoy your weekend.
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I've gotta be honest with you guys.... when I first heard this ad, it made me laugh. My first thoughts were NOT about the TSA, rogue cops, FEMA or any of that other stuff. I didn't try to analyze where the commas and semicolons might be located - I just listened to what the guy said without filtering it through the woes of the whole planet. I try not to carry the weight of the world on my shoulders. The sinking economy, politics, terrorism, extremists (of any kind), and abuse of power are indeed very serious issues - but sometimes you just have to relax a little and breath.
Mr. Keller, in his own unique manner, expressed general sentiments that many people agree with. I'm pretty sure he would never describe himself as a geo-political expert or a genius when it comes to the intricacies of foreign affairs and global relations. He's just a man that loves his country and is willing to stand up for what he believes.
If you don't believe in God, if you don't love the USA, and if you would rather be a citizen of a socialistic nanny state then don't sign up for his class - you might be a little uncomfortable.
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He's a kid, all he has is a tin foil blog and he thinks it's secret truth being revealed to him.
Kind of like your first "Playboy". ;D
Ahhhhhh.... the first Playboy....in my buddies basement underneath the train set built by he and his dad were every original issue magazine dating back to the 1953 issue with Marilyn...couldn't have been more than 7 or 8 years old, maybe 9. Either way, I knew then that girls/women would be a lifelong passion! ;)
Now back to the comments from Grigg. Further research reveals that he's an ex-John Bircher. :P
Lew Rockwell dude is the founding father of the Mises thingy...don't know anything about that organization but it appears that Rockwell is about waist deep into Ron Pauls colon. I wonder if he brought his Fabreeze to freshen up the place.
Anyway, my weekend will be wet, cold and white as the Northeast gets a bit of global warming.
Enjoy yours as well folks!
;D
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Ahhhhhh.... the first Playboy....in my buddies basement underneath the train set built by he and his dad were every original issue magazine dating back to the 1953 issue with Marilyn...couldn't have been more than 7 or 8 years old, maybe 9. Either way, I knew then that girls/women would be a lifelong passion! ;)
Now back to the comments from Grigg. Further research reveals that he's an ex-John Bircher. :P
Lew Rockwell dude is the founding father of the Mises thingy...don't know anything about that organization but it appears that Rockwell is about waist deep into Ron Pauls colon. I wonder if he brought his Fabreeze to freshen up the place.
Anyway, my weekend will be wet, cold and white as the Northeast gets a bit of global warming.
Enjoy yours as well folks!
;D
Not real likely I'll enjoy it, I'm in the 5 - 8 zone :-\
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Not real likely I'll enjoy it, I'm in the 5 - 8 zone :-\
We're looking at upwards of a foot here! We'll see...
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I've gotta be honest with you guys.... when I first heard this ad, it made me laugh. My first thoughts were NOT about the TSA, rogue cops, FEMA or any of that other stuff. I didn't try to analyze where the commas and semicolons might be located - I just listened to what the guy said without filtering it through the woes of the whole planet. I try not to carry the weight of the world on my shoulders. The sinking economy, politics, terrorism, extremists (of any kind), and abuse of power are indeed very serious issues - but sometimes you just have to relax a little and breath.
Mr. Keller, in his own unique manner, expressed general sentiments that many people agree with. I'm pretty sure he would never describe himself as a geo-political expert or a genius when it comes to the intricacies of foreign affairs and global relations. He's just a man that loves his country and is willing to stand up for what he believes.
If you don't believe in God, if you don't love the USA, and if you would rather be a citizen of a socialistic nanny state then don't sign up for his class - you might be a little uncomfortable.
That's pretty much how I feel. It's probably not the best idea to have an advertisement like that, but it's his right to believe that. In that part of the country (you can provide better details) it will probably increase his business.
I mainly wanted to get the general opinion of the folks here. I should have know that the RP Revolution aka "Occupy our Threads" would show up.
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I have a feeling a jewish lawyer that voted for obama is going to make his life hell.
;D
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I have a feeling a jewish lawyer that voted for obama is going to make his life hell.
;D
Private business with an owner exercising his right to refuse service. Unless they are going after people that refuse service to people that dress a certain way (burka (sp), gang banger attire, etc.) they've got nothing on this guy but hate - both ways.
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I have a feeling a jewish lawyer that voted for obama is going to make his life hell.
;D
I thought TAB was all about the rights of business owners ?
That's the argument he always trots out for denying customers their Constitutional rights.
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I wouldn't assume that a private business has the right to refuse service to anyone on any basis it wants. Certainly that right doesn't extend to refusing service on racial grounds, for example; you can't refuse to serve black people in a restaurant. I'm not sure what the legalities are here (not a lawyer myself), but there's no absolute legal right to exclude customers.
I do agree with the general sentiment that the guy is a twit.