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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on November 07, 2011, 05:01:53 PM
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This was in my home county yesterday. A 19 year old and a 15 year old broke into an old man's home (armed) with the intent to rob (and possibly harm). They didn't know the old man's son was there also and the son shot the 19 year old in the head.
15-year old charged with murder after Tifton home invasion
A 15-year old boy is charged with murder and burglary after a home invasion late Saturday night in Tift County.
Sheriff's investigators say the boy and 19-year old Roosevelt Clark broke in a home at 2914 Wilton Avenue and demanded money from the elderly home owner. The homeowner's son was in another room, heard the commotion, and shot the home invader in the head.
Clark was dead when deputies arrived.
The sheriff's office would not release the boy's name, but he will be charged with murder as an adult for being involved in a felony that resulted in Clark's death.
The homeowner is not be charged.
The investigation continues.
http://tiftcounty.walb.com/news/news/50505-15-year-old-charged-murder-after-tifton-home-invasion
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As it should be....IMHO.
And people out there actually have the audacity to want to deny me (and everyone else) my right to defend myself.
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The law worked as written!
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Seems a bit over the top to hit a 15 year old with felony murder in the death of an accomplice. Yeah you CAN, but SHOULD you?................. ::) Southern justice sometimes fails to make this distinction.Still, I won't shed tears either way, and its another example of why we need the 2A. Good for the homeowner!
FQ13
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Due to the ongoing investigation, the fact of the accomplice being only 15, there is probably other circumstances as to the murder charges.
http://tiftongazette.com/local/x2039723476/Alleged-robber-shot-killed-in-Tift-County-home
Alleged robber shot, killed in Tift County home
Latasha Everson/The Tifton Gazette
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TIFTON — A 19-year-old Tifton man was shot and killed Saturday night after he allegedly attempted to rob an 86-year-old man at his residence in the 2900 block of Wilton Avenue, authorities say.
At about 8:45 p.m. Saturday, a black male with his face covered entered the home on Wilton Avenue with a gun and attempted to rob an elderly resident, Capt. Mike Walker at the Tift County Sheriff’s Office told The Tifton Gazette Monday afternoon.
He said the man’s son, who is in his mid 50’s, was in a nearby room and heard the commotion. The son emerged with a weapon and confronted the alleged robber, 19-year-old Roosevelt Clark of Tifton, and shots were fired.
Clark was struck and died at the scene as a result of gunshot wounds, Walker said. He said the son was not injured, and no charges will be brought against him.
“Subsequently, we have arrested a 15-year-old juvenile as an accomplice in the robbery,” Walker said. “He has been charged with burglary and felony murder.”
According to the Georgia Code, “A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.”
Walker could only say that the juvenile was an accomplice and acted together with the other man.
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Seems a bit over the top to hit a 15 year old with felony murder in the death of an accomplice.
Why? Time for the POS to pay the piper.
He took part in an armed home invasion of an 86 year old man. Screw him.
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Why? Time for the POS to pay the piper.
He took part in an armed home invasion of an 86 year old man. Screw him.
If the old man had died I'd be there with you. But for the death of the guy who obviously was the one who set the thing in motion? A 15 year old is not too old to save, particularly since according to the report he hasn't hurt anyone, he was along for the ride. To paraphrase a Sears ad, "Boom!, What's that? That's reality dropping on your ass!". Maybe he's salvageable, maybe not, but I think with a kid that young you should at least hope that's the case. Without seeing his record I can't speak with any authority as to whether he is redeemable or not, but 15 and looking at a life sentence because his accomplice got shot? C'mon man.
FQ13
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If the old man had died I'd be there with you. But for the death of the guy who obviously was the one who set the thing in motion? A 15 year old is not too old to save, particularly since according to the report he hasn't hurt anyone, he was along for the ride. To paraphrase a Sears ad, "Boom!, What's that? That's reality dropping on your ass!". Maybe he's salvageable, maybe not, but I think with a kid that young you should at least hope that's the case. Without seeing his record I can't speak with any authority as to whether he is redeemable or not, but 15 and looking at a life sentence because his accomplice got shot? C'mon man.
FQ13
That is why he is being charged, any redeeming qualities he has, or lacks, will be on display for a jury of his peers at the trail.
Who had a gun? I think the assumption is the older perp was the only one but who knew and when did they know it?
Home invasion is dangerous, the kid is lucky he didn't leave in a bag.
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LOL at the term "southern justice".
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The only reason this does not have my full support is because I feel no Murder was committed since it was a justifiable shooting. However I feel the 15 year old has earned 20+ years in prison for this felony than involved lose of life.
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LOL at the term "southern justice".
Hey, as a many generation Southern boy, I can use those words with only a bit of sarcasm. At least I didn't say "The boy shouldn't have stolen more chain than he could swim with". ;) :-\
FQ13
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According to the Georgia Code, “A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.”
I don't believe in the five states I've reside in that the law was written any differently.
Most 15 year old kids know exactly what they're doing!
How old was the accomplice of the beltway sniper outside of DC a few years back?
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It's a shame the ACLU and other groups have ended just about all chain gangs, and prison farms.... A young 15 year old can provide some good labor clearing ditches, planting potatoes, and otherwise SERVING TIME, for knowing what he was doing was A CRIME!!
The term "boy" is relative. My son is 16, comes in at 165 and is 6'1 and still going, he's got the body and health of a man, but the mind of a teenager.... ::)
But guess what? He's more interested in girls and sports than crime. It's called knowing the difference between right and wrong.
Those "African-American", punks at the Wisconsin State Fair, that were attacking white folks,...they were "boys" too,...ask the woman who had her head kicked, and husband beat up, if they hit, stomped and punched like "boys"...
IMHO, punks like this need a looooonnnnngggg time to realize how serious he f'd up. He's lucky he wasn't the receiver of a follow up shot.
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Does Ga have the death penalty ?
Abortion in the 63rd trimester.
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Does Ga have the death penalty ?
Abortion in the 63rd trimester.
Ding, ding, ding!! We have a winner!!!! ;D
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Does Ga have the death penalty ?
Abortion in the 63rd trimester.
Yes.....but we don't have an 'express lane' like our brothers over in Texas. ;)
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Maybe he's salvageable, maybe not, but I think with a kid that young you should at least hope that's the case. Without seeing his record I can't speak with any authority as to whether he is redeemable or not, but 15 and looking at a life sentence because his accomplice got shot? C'mon man.
Maybe he is salvageable. If so, as pointed out, his general good nature and wholesomeness will be revealed at his murder trial.
As for the "just along for the ride", that is a REALLY stupid decision on his part to want to have anything to do with the 19 yr old's plan - if indeed it was the older guys plan and not his own. We don't know.
I hung out with a bad crowd when I was a kid and did some phenomenally dumb things...most of which I got away with.
Every once in a while though, when someone came up with a really bad idea, even dumbass teenager me would bow out and say "no thanks, you're on your own."
15 is not so young that intelligent decisions are totally out of their realm.
I had a job when I was 15 and knew that stealing the bosses stuff or money was NOT the thing to do. Joining someone in a home invasion? Not on a bet!
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Being charged by the cops is not the same as being prosecuted by the local DA. Let's see what he or she is going to do.
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Being charged by the cops is not the same as being prosecuted by the local DA. Let's see what he or she is going to do.
I live in this judicial circuit. Trust me, he will be prosecuted.
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I live in this judicial circuit. Trust me, he will be prosecuted.
Same down here. Here is the sad thing. In the name of being "tough on crime ::)" legislatures stripped discretion away from the judiciary. They came up with BS like mandatory minimums, letting juvies be tried as adults, and three strikes laws and the like. The trouble is they let that authority move from judges who are either elected or confirmed by those who are, to unelected bureaucrats in the DA's office who answer to no one. Worse, these idiots get promoted on their win/loss record. They see themselves as trial advocates for the victims, not neutral magistrates interested in the truth, even though the legislature made that their job. They just won't understand the difference between can and should. This kid is screwed. >:(
FQ13
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If he was the getaway driver, I could buy the "i didn't know anyone would get hurt."
But not when you are running with the pack.
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Same down here. Here is the sad thing. In the name of being "tough on crime ::)" legislatures stripped discretion away from the judiciary. They came up with BS like mandatory minimums, letting juvies be tried as adults, and three strikes laws and the like. The trouble is they let that authority move from judges who are either elected or confirmed by those who are, to unelected bureaucrats in the DA's office who answer to no one. Worse, these idiots get promoted on their win/loss record. They see themselves as trial advocates for the victims, not neutral magistrates interested in the truth, even though the legislature made that their job. They just won't understand the difference between can and should. This kid is screwed. >:(
FQ13
The reason they had to do that is because Judges have shown they could not be trusted with "discretion".
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The reason they had to do that is because Judges have shown they could not be trusted with "discretion".
No, the reason they did it was because they wanted to campaign as being "tough on crime", as opposed to being smart on crime. Think I'm lying? I'll give you proof. In 1986 the US Congress did two things. first they endorsed the recommendations of the US Sentencing Commission which they had established to standardize federal sentences. Basically, it set a default maximum and minimum sentence which could be added to or subtracted from based on aggravating factors(like using a gun), or mitigating factors (like cooperation) etc. However, that same year they passed mandatory minimum sentences to fight "the war on drugs" which negated their careful work in setting up the sentencing commission? Why? Because Len Bias died of a coke overdose and Tip O'Neill wasn't going to let Ronald Reagan out drug war him in a by election when the Celtics great black hope was lying dead. It really did come down to something as petty as a first round pick for the Celtics dying that caused the fact thousands of people are rotting in jail. Sorry Tom, but the record is against you here. The reason judges aren't allowed to, you know, judge, is because politicians want to be Sheriff Joe and brag about how tough they are. That's nice, and its cute, and if you're 12 years old you find it amusing. But the US Constitution has Article III that promises an independent judiciary and I don't like politicians messing with that.
FQ13
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Let's break this down to a simple mathematical equation:
The kid took part in a home-invasion robbery + somebody died as a result + the state in which it ocurred defines the first two circumstances as murder = f..k him.
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FQ - Time to get to the tanning booth! Your BHO tattoo is showing through again >:(
Research has proven that teenagers that commit acts of violence on people, animals or property continue to escalate through adulthood. This 15 year old was a part of a violent crime and prepared to commit a deadly crime when his partner was stopped. The law allowing for him to be charged as an adult is tied to several factors that must be met, and the mandatory minimums concerning sentencing are because of liberals like you >:(
Which would you rather do: Pine for this poor little boy sitting in prison for life because of a mistake in his mid teens, or explain how he slipped through the system and lead another youth down the path to violent crime five years from now? There are far too many news stories, news stories used by freedom destroying activists daily, every year concerning liberal feel good social workers that made sure a fifteen year old threat that was released from the system and grew into a deadly threat preying on whole communities.
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FQ - Time to get to the tanning booth! Your BHO tattoo is showing through again >:(
Research has proven that teenagers that commit acts of violence on people, animals or property continue to escalate through adulthood. This 15 year old was a part of a violent crime and prepared to commit a deadly crime when his partner was stopped. The law allowing for him to be charged as an adult is tied to several factors that must be met, and the mandatory minimums concerning sentencing are because of liberals like you >:(
Which would you rather do: Pine for this poor little boy sitting in prison for life because of a mistake in his mid teens, or explain how he slipped through the system and lead another youth down the path to violent crime five years from now? There are far too many news stories, news stories used by freedom destroying activists daily, every year concerning liberal feel good social workers that made sure a fifteen year old threat that was released from the system and grew into a deadly threat preying on whole communities.
On a light hearted note, if I wanted to hide my BO tattoo, shouldn't I be using white out rather than visiting a tanning salon? ;D
On a deadly serious note, you are the father of a teenage daughter. Tell me again how its justice to hand out a life sentence to a 15 year old who was simply an accomplice?
FQ13
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Info released on the morning news today stated that the 15 year old was the brother of the 19 year old.
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On a light hearted note, if I wanted to hide my BO tattoo, shouldn't I be using white out rather than visiting a tanning salon? ;D
On a deadly serious note, you are the father of a teenage daughter. Tell me again how its justice to hand out a life sentence to a 15 year old who was simply an accomplice?
FQ13
I'm not the father of a teenage daughter. She is well into her 20's and headed for 30's. Seriously, If you can't do the time, don't do the crime! Just like every other parent in the world, I am always just one phone call away from my perfect child being a statistic. We all accept it, and responsible parents hold their children to the highest standards possible. I wouldn't want to see it happen, but even more so, I wouldn't want them to go down the wrong path.
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FQ is a genius because we all know how well coddling criminals works out.
Since the home owners son did not save the state the cost of a trial by shooting this thieving little POS he should be convicted and executed.
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FQ is a genius because we all know how well coddling criminals works out.
Since the home owners son did not save the state the cost of a trial by shooting this thieving little POS he should be convicted and executed.
You are wrong here. I am not a genius because I coddle criminals. I am a genius because I don't want to trust the government with people's lives.
FQ13 who is glad that you have finally acknowledged me for what I am Tom. ;D
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I KNEW I'd regret that. ;D
If you do like TAB did and put it in your signature line I swear to God I will kick a puddle up you're azz and walk it dry ! ;D
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I KNEW I'd regret that. ;D
If you do like TAB did and put it in your signature line I swear to God I will kick a puddle up you're azz and walk it dry ! ;D
I hadn't thought of that until now. However, it has a certain ring to it. "FQ, Genius". The only problem is that Wile E. Coyote already did it first, and I might be stepping on copy right. However Wile E. is a bit of a hero of mine, as you might have guessed from my continued attempts to get you lot to see sense, so maybe I will go with it. Although I will leave Super out of the sig line. ;D
FQ13 GENIUS! (ROFL)
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You are wrong here. I am not a genius because I coddle criminals. I am a genius because I don't want to trust the government with people's lives.
FQ13 who is glad that you have finally acknowledged me for what I am Tom. ;D
So you are telling us that your method of setting him free after a short period, even though he has proven to be dangerous, is better than keeping the public safe from his violent tendency? You see his future years as more valuable than the lives of the victims? As an educator you do not believe or accept the professional studies that show how violent criminals escalate through life?
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Sorry to butt in on your discussion but I'm new to this. I've never posted a question before and I'm not sure I'm doing this right so please bear with me. My question has to do with the Best Defense program. I own a gun shop. Most of my customers watch the show and we have some lively discussions in the shop. A question has come up we can't answer. In one episode Michael mentioned that there comes a point when you have to decide to hunker down where you're at ( home etc.) or bug out. Bug out to where? Since most of us don't have or own a hidden secret bunker where do you go? Most of the local population is going to be thinking the same thing or raising hell like idiots cause they didn't prepare themselves ( I was on duty during the L.A. riots which is why I don't live there anymore ). So if you decide to bug out where do you go? You don't want to follow the screaming idiots . You're going to have to worry about weather ( we live in the midwest now), security on the road/trail etc., food, water, setting yourself up for the near future and long term etc. A host of things. I realize we've got bug out bags , emergency supplies ready to go etc. but the question still remains, where? Any help?
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I hadn't thought of that until now. However, it has a certain ring to it. "FQ, Genius". The only problem is that Wile E. Coyote already did it first, and I might be stepping on copy right. However Wile E. is a bit of a hero of mine, as you might have guessed from my continued attempts to get you lot to see sense, so maybe I will go with it. Although I will leave Super out of the sig line. ;D
FQ13 GENIUS! (ROFL)
I always pictured your "mascot" as an iguana in horn-rimmed glasses and a black mortarboard with gold tassel. ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/4039/PreviewComp/SuperStock_4039R-96432.jpg)
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Sorry to butt in on your discussion but I'm new to this. I've never posted a question before and I'm not sure I'm doing this right so please bear with me. My question has to do with the Best Defense program. I own a gun shop. Most of my customers watch the show and we have some lively discussions in the shop. A question has come up we can't answer. In one episode Michael mentioned that there comes a point when you have to decide to hunker down where you're at ( home etc.) or bug out. Bug out to where? Since most of us don't have or own a hidden secret bunker where do you go? Most of the local population is going to be thinking the same thing or raising hell like idiots cause they didn't prepare themselves ( I was on duty during the L.A. riots which is why I don't live there anymore ). So if you decide to bug out where do you go? You don't want to follow the screaming idiots . You're going to have to worry about weather ( we live in the midwest now), security on the road/trail etc., food, water, setting yourself up for the near future and long term etc. A host of things. I realize we've got bug out bags , emergency supplies ready to go etc. but the question still remains, where? Any help?
We can offer lots of help (some of it might actually be useful). But step one is to start a new thread. Go to Cafe and click on "new topic"" you'll get more advice than you wanted, but a lot of it will be good. Also use the search feature as there are existing threads on this topic. Welcome aboard.
FQ13 Genius! (God I'm loving this ;D)
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Sorry to butt in on your discussion but I'm new to this. I've never posted a question before and I'm not sure I'm doing this right so please bear with me. My question has to do with the Best Defense program. I own a gun shop. Most of my customers watch the show and we have some lively discussions in the shop. A question has come up we can't answer. In one episode Michael mentioned that there comes a point when you have to decide to hunker down where you're at ( home etc.) or bug out. Bug out to where? Since most of us don't have or own a hidden secret bunker where do you go? Most of the local population is going to be thinking the same thing or raising hell like idiots cause they didn't prepare themselves ( I was on duty during the L.A. riots which is why I don't live there anymore ). So if you decide to bug out where do you go? You don't want to follow the screaming idiots . You're going to have to worry about weather ( we live in the midwest now), security on the road/trail etc., food, water, setting yourself up for the near future and long term etc. A host of things. I realize we've got bug out bags , emergency supplies ready to go etc. but the question still remains, where? Any help?
Bugging out is a part of your planning. You need to choose these options in advance. Sometimes it will be family or friends out of the danger area, sometimes it will be dictated by the authorities, and sometimes it will be a secret hideaway or favorite place in the country.
Since this was a good question I answered it here. However, I am going to start a new thread for you, and copy and past your post and my reply on there.
By the way - Welcome, and please go to the introduction thread and tell us about yourself!
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A year before I bought my house a guy shot and killed a 15 year-old boy that broke into his house. His wife woke up to the sound of their side fence being rattled several times and sent him to investigate. He grabbed his 9mm XD, with light and lazer, and proceded to clear the house, now would be the time to mention he was a Ranger, and saw the kid attempting to climb in through the window and told him to get out. The kid jumped in anyway and caught a 147 grain 9mm in his chest. Once the guy was certain there were no other threats he felt the urgent need to vacate his bladder. In the process of relieving himself he heard a pump shotgun's action being worked and his uranary stream involuntarially stopped. He feared it was another kid coming in to get his buddy and decided to take the fight outside. After taking several steps out his front door he was suprised to find several PD cars with lights going sitting in front of his house. Paramedics were onsite in minutes and the kid still didn't make it. No charges were filed against the Ranger.
Why? 5 kids stole a car, got drunk/high and ran from the cops after wrecking/ditching the car and thought his backyard was a good path to freedom.
The kid that died happened to be a friend of my fellow TKD student and had a crush on her oldest daughter.
Good kid? Bad choice(s)? We'll never know. :-[
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You are wrong here. I am not a genius because I coddle criminals. I am a genius because I don't want to trust the government with people's lives.
FQ13 who is glad that you have finally acknowledged me for what I am Tom. ;D
You're a legend in your own mind.
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You're a legend in your own mind.
Hey, perfesser FQ, put that in your signature!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You're a legend in your own mind.
Hey, perfesser FQ, put that in your signature!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
PLEASE ;D