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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: twyacht on March 31, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/03/robert-farago/omg-cop-killer-bullets-theyre-back-omg/#more-121325
OMG! Cop Killer Bullets! They’re BACK! OMG!
Posted on March 31, 2012 by Robert Farago
Let’s pick up the nypost.com‘s congratulatory story of the cop’s capture of an armed turnstile jumper in the middle. “When the cops checked out the bulge, they found a .40-caliber Smith & Wesson. Toting a concealed weapon is bad enough, cops said. But Sanabria’s alleged turnstile blunder was even worse because the weapon was loaded with notorious hollow-point bullets. The bullets are designed to expand upon impact and do greater damage to an intended target than full-metal-jacket bullets. ‘A hollow-point spreads out and tears up tissue and muscle, and it’s much more likely to stop you,’ a police official said . . .
He added that some law-enforcement agencies use hollow-point bullets because they lose power on first impact and there is less danger that a fragment will continue on its way and hurt someone else.
“Most civilians don’t carry hollow-points because they are more expensive,” said Kenneth Cooper, a certified New York state firearms and use-of-force instructor.
“Most people use bottom-basement ammunition,” he added.
The bottom line, Della Fave said, is “hollow-point bullets are designed to do great damage.”
As opposed to . . . ? [h/t to BLAMMO]
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Uh,....after my head shaking moment,.....I tend to carry, what the LEO's carry....Top-shelf SD "HP" ammo,.....wa taught that long ago, going back to the Federal Hydra-Shock ammo,...carried by a predominant amount of LEO's carry ammo, all the way back to .357, 158gr. Hydra-Shocks...What a bunch of media BS....Sad part is some aspects of the sheeple fall for it...
Not knowing that having a FMJ rd. over penetrate is a bad thing....."Bottom-Basement Ammo Indeed Assclown".....
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“Most civilians don’t carry hollow-points because they are more expensive,” said Kenneth Cooper, a certified New York state firearms and use-of-force instructor.
He's certified all right, just not sure at what! Maybe certifiable might be more like it. 8)
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The sad part is that the author isn't "lying" per se, he is so clueless that he actually believes this stupidity.
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OMG. What an idiot. What else can I say?
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Damn ...When I read the headline, I was hoping the Black Talons were coming back ;D
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Damn ...When I read the headline, I was hoping the Black Talons were coming back ;D
My first thought was they were coming after all the 30-30 rounds. Those nasty things will swiss cheese a vest.
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I know Ken Cooper, I would bet that what he said was taken out of context.He wrote the book for NY State Armed Guard certification.
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I know Ken Cooper, I would bet that what he said was taken out of context.He wrote the book for NY State Armed Guard certification.
Good to know, thanks.
I wondered if maybe that wasn't the case, what with the press' well-known and documented aversion to the truth and accuracy of late.
OTOH, I have known and seen some real tool-type gun guys who just might say something that stupid. Zumbo ring a bell?
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At first I thought maybe the crossed over to Jersey, but out of context makes more sense.
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Damn ...When I read the headline, I was hoping the Black Talons were coming back ;D
They still make them but they are not black, right?
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They still make them but they are not black, right?
Still black,...Lubalox coated and everything,....just called by a more PC correct name...SXT's.... ::)
Yet an original box of .357 Black Talons, in the box, was selling for $45 at a recent gun show......
They did better than Billy Beer at that rate.... 8)
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Still black,...Lubalox coated and everything,....just called by a more PC correct name...SXT's.... ::)
Yet an original box of .357 Black Talons, in the box, was selling for $45 at a recent gun show......
They did better than Billy Beer at that rate.... 8)
I have heard that SXT stands for Same eXact Thing
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I have heard that SXT stands for Same eXact Thing
I wouldn't be surprised.
After all, the Freedom Arms "BFR" stands for "Big Freaking Revolver". ;D
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I hear the same thing about the SXT's. I still have a few Black Talons left from my first Glock 17.
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New York State? maybe they do carry cheap ammo.... I mean, they do spend more on housing (those that actually pay for their own), taxes and other crap, all for the privilege of living in the 'big apple' oOOoohhhh, aaaahhhahh.. who gives a crap about NY anyway? oh yeah, and maybe Bloomblob has made it too expensive and difficult to find, purchase and own SD ammo.
does anyone here even like NY?..... anybody?
Yuk...
Deep
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Please don't lump all of NY in with nycity,they are worlds apart .I would move out if I could, but right now I'm stuck here.Upstate NY isn't as bad as the city when it comes to CCW and is a better than other states(Il,NJ.Hi,Ca) I have a full carry permit,I just can't carry in the city,(have no desire to go there,so no big deal)There was a time when nycity wanted to become it's own state,But when they found out they wouldn't get any more money from Albany they changed their mind
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Majer, when Deep says, "New York" I think he means the Big Apple. The rest of the state has some great places...like driving along the great lakes shorline during apple season...or the finger lakes...and yes, for CCw it's WAY better than NJ.
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Majer, when Deep says, "New York" I think he means the Big Apple. The rest of the state has some great places...like driving along the great lakes shorline during apple season...or the finger lakes...and yes, for CCw it's WAY better than NJ.
+1 Been to Rhinebeck, and Germantown, North of Poughkeepsie, and enjoyed normal folks and a deer hunt in their back yard....
It's like Kalifornia, outside the metro areas, it's mostly ranchers, farmers, and normal folks as well.....
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I'd love to get to Old Rhinebeck some summer. ;D
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I'd love to get to Old Rhinebeck some summer. ;D
Beekman Arms Tavern is still there.....Good to have a beer where Washington once wet his whistle....Awesome place...
http://www.beekmandelamaterinn.com/history.htm
Low ceilings, but good beer and food....Beautiful part of the country...
Only three hours from Bloomberg World of NYC.
Finger lakes make some damn fine wines....IMHO.... ::)
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Beekman Arms Tavern is still there.....Good to have a beer where Washington once wet his whistle....Awesome place...
http://www.beekmandelamaterinn.com/history.htm
Low ceilings, but good beer and food....Beautiful part of the country...
Only three hours from Bloomberg World of NYC.
Finger lakes make some damn fine wines....IMHO.... ::)
Who cares about an old bar ?
This is what I'm talking about !
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Who cares about an old bar ?
This is what I'm talking about !
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/redbaron1.jpg)
Awesome...
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Tom,the Aerodrome is about 8 miles to the north of me, We sometimes get to see the planes flying overhead.If you decide to visit,Let me know and I'll be more than happy to show you around.
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Thanks Majer .
(Curse you TW ! ;D)
Calls for some appropriate music ;D
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Thanks Majer .
(Curse you TW ! ;D)
Calls for some appropriate music ;D
That wins, hands down, the " B-side" Classic tunes of all time,..please fwd. to the MB secretbunker archives,...
It would give him a smile,,....and the Baron..... ;D
The Good Baron was given a full military honors funeral after his being shot down, by the enemy,...simply out of respect and gallantry. Although some say he was shot by a man on the ground.....
My how times have changed.
Richthofen was fatally wounded just after 11:00 am on 21 April 1918, while flying over Morlancourt Ridge, near the Somme River.49°56′0.60″N 2°32′43.71″E
At the time, the Baron had been pursuing (at very low altitude) a Sopwith Camel piloted by a novice Canadian pilot, Lieutenant Wilfrid "Wop" May of No. 209 Squadron, Royal Air Force.[41] In turn, the Baron was spotted and briefly attacked by a Camel piloted by a school friend (and flight commander) of May's, Canadian Captain Arthur "Roy" Brown, who had to dive steeply at very high speed to intervene, and then had to climb steeply to avoid hitting the ground.[41] Richthofen turned to avoid this attack, and then resumed his pursuit of May.[41]
It was almost certainly during this final stage in his pursuit of May that Richthofen was hit by a single .303 bullet, which caused such severe damage to his heart and lungs that it must have produced a very speedy death.[42][43] In the last seconds of his life, he managed to make a hasty but controlled landing ( 49°55′56″N 2°32′16″E) in a field on a hill near the Bray-Corbie road, just north of the village of Vaux-sur-Somme, in a sector controlled by the Australian Imperial Force (AIF).[41] One witness, Gunner George Ridgway, stated that when he and other Australian soldiers reached the aircraft, Richthofen was still alive but died moments later.[43] Another eye witness, Sergeant Ted Smout of the Australian Medical Corps, reported that Richthofen's last word was "kaputt".[44][N 3]
In common with most Allied air officers, Major Blake, who was responsible for Richthofen's remains, regarded the Red Baron with great respect, and he organised a full military funeral, to be conducted by the personnel of No. 3 Squadron AFC.
Richthofen was buried in the cemetery at the village of Bertangles, near Amiens, on 22 April 1918. Six airmen with the rank of Captain—the same rank as Richthofen—served as pallbearers, and a guard of honour from the squadron's other ranks fired a salute.[N 4] Allied squadrons stationed nearby presented memorial wreaths, one of which was inscribed with the words, "To Our Gallant and Worthy Foe".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_von_Richthofen
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Thanks Tom...
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You have no idea how surprised I was at about age 8 to find out that The Red Baron" was an actual person.
several decades ago I ran across and read his autobiography published during the war, "Der Rote Kampffleiger"
(Of course it was an English translation )
Some cool trivia about him, among the pilots under his command who survived the war were his brother Lothar, and a promising young pilot named Hermann Goering .
Another relative who joined Manfred's command was his cousin Wolfram who later rose to the rank of General Field Marshal of the Luftwaffe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfram_Freiherr_von_Richthofen
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You have no idea how surprised I was at about age 8 to find out that The Red Baron" was an actual person.
several decades ago I ran across and read his autobiography published during the war, "Der Rote Kampffleiger"
(Of course it was an English translation )
Some cool trivia about him, among the pilots under his command who survived the war were his brother Lothar, and a promising young pilot named Hermann Goering .
Another relative who joined Manfred's command was his cousin Wolfram who later rose to the rank of General Field Marshal of the Luftwaffe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfram_Freiherr_von_Richthofen
Whats more an aussie shot him down with a lowly old endfield 303 - not a springfield in sight :P
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Whats more an aussie shot him down with a lowly old endfield 303 - not a springfield in sight :P
As far as I know there is still debate whether it was an Aussie Enfield, or a Canadian Vickers, both were .303.
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As far as I know there is still debate whether it was an Aussie Enfield, or a Canadian Vickers, both were .303.
I have heard of Canadians arent they just Kalifornians that even the rest of America cant stand and are deported accross the border in to the frozen wastelands of the north and forced to like ice hockey and speak french with a twangy accent?
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I have heard of Canadians arent they just Kalifornians that even the rest of America cant stand and are deported accross the border in to the frozen wastelands of the north and forced to like ice hockey and speak french with a twangy accent?
ROFL, They are YOUR fellows Commonwealth members. ;D
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ROFL, They are YOUR fellows Commonwealth members. ;D
Technically although I refuse to recognise my country as it is now, a nanny state!
I think I may have to succeed.
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Sledgemania?
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The news media, especially print media, really chaps me most of the time. My state of NC recently passed a modification to the CCW law allowing carry by CCW holders in parks. They allow local counties and municipalities to restrict carry by local ordinance if they deem fit.
A newspaper in a county nearby really got their panties in a wad over the state's stand on concealed carry. They editorialized the front page, by making it sound like no ones kids would be safe, shoot outs would be common from hot head cowboy types. What they did was use comments from the Brady bunch like "some say, blah, blah" or "it has been reported blah, blah". Another tactic is "reliable sources, blah, blah".
What finally passed was restriction of all firearms in city parks but it is OK in county parks unless some portion sells alcohol. A golf clubhouse nixes the whole park. You can be in a county owned park inside the city and be legal. Someone visiting not in the know can get dinged for breaking the law. A person with a legal permit doesn't know what to do.
I sent a response to their readers forum trying to give the other side of the discussion. I even offered to pay for and loan a handgun to any reporter willing to take a CCW course. I got no takers, plus they chopped up my letter to the editor. To many people take what is printed as the truth. They learn about guns from TV.
Only thing I could do was cancel my paper subscription.
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The news media, especially print media, really chaps me most of the time. My state of NC recently passed a modification to the CCW law allowing carry by CCW holders in parks. They allow local counties and municipalities to restrict carry by local ordinance if they deem fit.
A newspaper in a county nearby really got their panties in a wad over the state's stand on concealed carry. They editorialized the front page, by making it sound like no ones kids would be safe, shoot outs would be common from hot head cowboy types. What they did was use comments from the Brady bunch like "some say, blah, blah" or "it has been reported blah, blah". Another tactic is "reliable sources, blah, blah".
What finally passed was restriction of all firearms in city parks but it is OK in county parks unless some portion sells alcohol. A golf clubhouse nixes the whole park. You can be in a county owned park inside the city and be legal. Someone visiting not in the know can get dinged for breaking the law. A person with a legal permit doesn't know what to do.
I sent a response to their readers forum trying to give the other side of the discussion. I even offered to pay for and loan a handgun to any reporter willing to take a CCW course. I got no takers, plus they chopped up my letter to the editor. To many people take what is printed as the truth. They learn about guns from TV.
Only thing I could do was cancel my paper subscription.
They do it every time any pro gun legislation comes up, and they usually use verbatim, the same cliches they've been using since they tried to stop CCW in Fla.
"There will be blood in the streets"," every fender bender will become the OK Corral", "It's for the children".
The media in general is full of shit.
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Sledgemania?
I can see it now!
ahhh what a glorious benevolent dictatorship it would be ;D
no democrats, no greens, open carry, no carbon BS tax, no obumma's or gillards (there would be a special place set aside for those types), hunting and fishing permitted, full autos and no mag limits,
Damn I am getting excited just thinking about it.
or I could just move to Texas!