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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Tyler Durden on December 26, 2012, 05:01:59 AM
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Well, hey, don't take my word for it, see it here for yourself:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4254274
I'm guessing that would me paying $200 for each AR or AK you have.
You guys in the free-er states can explain the process for acquiting NFA items.
This might be a duplicate thread.
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As predicted.
And isn't it the National Firearms Act, not the Federal Firearms Act?
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correct. What a stupid _____ that she doesn't even know the previous monumental gun legislation's name.
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Either that or it is dimentia setting in and she should be asked to step down. ;D
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It won't happen. That would spell disaster at the polls worse than a "Grandfathered" ban would, for any Senator or Congressman who voted for it. Many people have extensive collections of these weapons. Raping $200.00 out of the pockets of citizens for every one of them they own, would all but cause riots. Not to mention bog down the ATF with a mountain of paperwork. You're going to be hearing a lot of this type of idiotic talk coming from liberals in the next several months.
Luckily, it seems the more they talk, the harder they make it for themselves. They will just exemplify their stupidity on the subject, and in the process show how detached they are from it, let alone any real "solutions". Next will come a "parade of victims and their loved ones". They learned that trick from Sandra Fluke. Find a living, breathing, mass of protoplasm to support your cause. Then stick it out there for all the world to see and snivel over.
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... Luckily, it seems the more they talk, the harder they make it for themselves. ...
I've thought the same thing - the more radical their ideas and proposals the fewer people who will actually support them.
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It doesn't take long for them to get desperate......................As well as totally stupid!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/26/anti-toy-gun-campaign-re-launched-after-connecticut-tragedy/?test=latestnews
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"Feinstein says "move semi-autos to NFA"
And thinking Americans say DiFi should be moved to a home for senile politicians .
It won't happen. That would spell disaster at the polls worse than a "Grandfathered" ban would, for any Senator or Congressman who voted for it. Many people have extensive collections of these weapons. Raping $200.00 out of the pockets of citizens for every one of them they own, would all but cause riots. Not to mention bog down the ATF with a mountain of paperwork. You're going to be hearing a lot of this type of idiotic talk coming from liberals in the next several months.
Luckily, it seems the more they talk, the harder they make it for themselves. They will just exemplify their stupidity on the subject, and in the process show how detached they are from it, let alone any real "solutions". Next will come a "parade of victims and their loved ones". They learned that trick from Sandra Fluke. Find a living, breathing, mass of protoplasm to support your cause. Then stick it out there for all the world to see and snivel over.
We need to respond in kind, for every anti they parade out there we need to produce 3, 5, or 10 working parents to say "If you do this, you are taking money out of my pocket that would pay for my children's food, shoes, or schooling"
Have the children with them, the younger the better .
some little 5 year old begging "When the wolfs at the door let my Daddy be able to shoot it".
One cute little kid is worth 10 tramps like Sandra Fluke.
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One cute little kid is worth 10 tramps like Sandra Fluke.
I love it! I'm sure as hell not about to argue with that. ;D
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Along these same lines, I've wondered if the NRA could get several of the pro-gun celebrities to do PSAs supporting gun ownership. Folks like Tom Selleck, Eric Estrada, Louise Mandrell, Joe Montegna, Gerald McRaney, and others could lend a powerful voice of support. Even if media outlets were reluctant to run the PSAs they would still get attention by showing up in news broadcasts, reports, and talk shows. The public could then go to YouTube to watch the full version.
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Along these same lines, I've wondered if the NRA could get several of the pro-gun celebrities to do PSAs supporting gun ownership. Folks like Tom Selleck, Eric Estrada, Louise Mandrell, Joe Montegna, Gerald McRaney, and others could lend a powerful voice of support. Even if media outlets were reluctant to run the PSAs they would still get attention by showing up in news broadcasts, reports, and talk shows. The public could then go to YouTube to watch the full version.
I think that is coming. Brace yourself for a mega dog and pony show to come from both sides.
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Fienstein and others are setting bargaining positions from which to work. Maybe No-Grandfathering and NFA won't work, but they're willing to work from there down.
What's our position? Status Quo? We loose. It's why we've lost in the past.
The antis have made it clear there end-game is ZERO guns in private hands. ZERO. NADA. The Washington Times even said it in 2004. The AWB may not really do any good, but it's a stepping stone towards more gun control. (paraphrase)
So our position should be roll back of NFA and everything since. We'll work on bargaining from there.....for the time being.
And no I don't think we should use celebrities. We need to make new celebrities out of those who've been there. Those who've defended themselves and others. That's who Fluke was, an "every women" (at least in the liberals eyes) whom they made into a celebrity.
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I just came from Cabela's. It looks like they had a robbery. Everything is picked clean! I've never seen the place in that bad of shape since they opened it back in 2006.
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Fienstein and others are setting bargaining positions from which to work. Maybe No-Grandfathering and NFA won't work, but they're willing to work from there down.
What's our position? Status Quo? We loose. It's why we've lost in the past.
The antis have made it clear there end-game is ZERO guns in private hands. ZERO. NADA. The Washington Times even said it in 2004. The AWB may not really do any good, but it's a stepping stone towards more gun control. (paraphrase)
So our position should be roll back of NFA and everything since. We'll work on bargaining from there.....for the time being.
And no I don't think we should use celebrities. We need to make new celebrities out of those who've been there. Those who've defended themselves and others. That's who Fluke was, an "every women" (at least in the liberals eyes) whom they made into a celebrity.
I agree with Alf (on all of it, but particularly on the tactics in red).
While having the support of as many celebs as possible won't hurt, the NRA and gun groups need to put the main focus on common every day folks who have used guns in a positive light for protection. The NRA needs to use this sudden extra income from new members to send a film team to some of the folks (who may be willing) that get written up in the Armed Citizen column each month. Bombard America with the real facts that people every day use legal guns to protect themselves.
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It won't happen. That would spell disaster at the polls worse than a "Grandfathered" ban would, for any Senator or Congressman who voted for it. Many people have extensive collections of these weapons. Raping $200.00 out of the pockets of citizens for every one of them they own, would all but cause riots. Not to mention bog down the ATF with a mountain of paperwork. You're going to be hearing a lot of this type of idiotic talk coming from liberals in the next several months.
What do you think the chances are of it staying at $200?
I wouldn't put it past them to make it $2,000 or $20,000 for an NFA item, seeing that the $200 tax was prohibitive in '34.
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What do you think the chances are of it staying at $200?
I wouldn't put it past them to make it $2,000 or $20,000 for an NFA item, seeing that the $200 tax was prohibitive in '34.
If they do, this whole thing will go to guns before it's over.
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SCOTUS gave them the way to do this. Call it a fee. Have NICS and state police departments send a '1099' report to the IRS for every new gun purchase and for every gun purchase record yet to be destroyed. Let the IRS collect the fees via your 1040. That way they would lay the groundwork to fee you every year you own the gun. It also will help insure that you transfer the gun properly when you sell it, just so you are no longer liable for the fee on it. Hmmm, I think the Obamacareless process works that way too. I wonder if they will let us gun owners to get our own tattoos on our arms with our IRS/Gun registration numbers? And, when you protest to the SCOTUS, CJ Roberts will say it is all constitutional because it's really a tax under the commerce clause, but the tattoos will have to go.
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That would take hundreds if not thousands of man YEARS. To complete all that paper work.
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That would take hundreds if not thousands of man YEARS. To complete all that paper work.
So ATF and IRS starts hiring again. Nothing like an army of minimum wage federal employees handling your taxes. >:(
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So ATF and IRS starts hiring again. Nothing like an army of minimum wage federal employees handling your taxes. >:(
Looks good on the unemployment numbers as well.
Fienstein and others are setting bargaining positions from which to work. Maybe No-Grandfathering and NFA won't work, but they're willing to work from there down.
What's our position? Status Quo? We loose. It's why we've lost in the past.
The antis have made it clear there end-game is ZERO guns in private hands. ZERO. NADA. The Washington Times even said it in 2004. The AWB may not really do any good, but it's a stepping stone towards more gun control. (paraphrase)
So our position should be roll back of NFA and everything since. We'll work on bargaining from there.....for the time being.
And no I don't think we should use celebrities. We need to make new celebrities out of those who've been there. Those who've defended themselves and others. That's who Fluke was, an "every women" (at least in the liberals eyes) whom they made into a celebrity.
That's what I've been talking about .
We have the numbers in members of the public who stand to lose several hundred $ worth of real property if we let the antis win.
All we need is aggressive leadership who have vision and the will to win.
You want to keep machine guns registered ?
OK, but it will cost you passage of nation wide CCW.
You want to keep registering SBR's ?
OK, but only if you allow import of the South Korean M1's
You want to keep the machine gun registry closed ?
Only if you remove silencers from the NFA, hearing protection is a health issue, it's for the children.
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No one at the irs or atf makes min wage. most make very good money. Thats part of the prob. the gov use to pay very little, but you had great bennies, a easy job and could not be fired. Its still like that only now they get paid very well.
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I wonder how many millions of semi auto center fire rifles are actually out there. Any one have a decent guess? I personally have 9. none of the black ( ok 3 striped lowers, but those don't count as they are just metal with numbers on them)
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I wonder how many millions of semi auto center fire rifles are actually out there. Any one have a decent guess?
I would guess it's well over 100,000,000 or more. Look at the Marlin Model 60 semi auto .22. I just bought a 50th Anniversary Model. The gun has been in continuous production since 1960. That's almost 53 years, and Marlin has made OVER 11 MILLION OF THEM! That is just one make and model of .22 rimfire that holds 15 rounds. Factor in all the rest, not to mention all of the AR's and AK's that have been sold, especially in the last 25 years, and the number becomes monumental. They will not distinguish between rimfire and centerfire in any type of ban. The only possible exception would be tubular magazines, and only because they are fixed, and an integral part of the rifle that cannot be removed. For some reason the anti gun culture is stymied on that. They think they take an hour and a half to reload, or some such lunacy.
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8) Hey, I got an idea to pay off the National Debt!
If they pass Diane Frankenstein's $200 gun tax
and there are 100 million semi-automatic firearms in the US
that's $20 billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can run the US government for ..............
two days. :(