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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on December 09, 2015, 06:17:20 PM
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Expect a lot more of this from a lot more people in the next year. People have finally had it with this POS.
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Even a blind squirrel finds the occasional nut.
Submitted with more respect than Beck deserves,
Crusader Rabbit
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Beck is a compromised POS who has been shitting on Trump, the peoples choice, since day one. Beck is a tool of the RINO's.
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I agree with both of you. However it doesn't change the fact he got it right this time.
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Beck is a compromised POS who has been shitting on Trump, the peoples choice, since day one. Beck is a tool of the RINO's.
A tool of the RINOs? Ted Cruze is a RINO?
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A tool of the RINOs? Ted Cruze is a RINO?
As it sits now, everyone in the Republican Party except Trump is a "RINO". Simply because they're all controlled by the party establishment. Trump is the only one who isn't. It's why they want so desperately to destroy him.
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Pay attention to what Beck says, he's a POS.
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Listening to Beck is like listening to a telethon. I get so tired of everything is the the end of the world, but don't dare fight back. We all have to love each other, blah, blah. Suck it the hell up, and understand that sometimes violence IS the answer.
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Actually, Beck missed a much more obvious answer to bho's actions - he is doing it all intentionally. Everything. I grant Beck that bho ain't the brightest bulb in the pack, but he follows orders well, can read from a teleprompter, and is surrounded by "smarter" handlers. Consider that he has been:
- Weakening the US economy through onerous laws and especially regulations.
- Using his "pen and phone" like an emperor.
- Destroying the morale of our military by all but mandating homosexuality in the ranks and forcing women into positions they are manifestly unqualified for, thus driving out (or firing) the best and the brightest in the armed forces.
- Filling the Cabinet posts with closet mooslims like Brennan and gaysym/comsym/mooslimsym supporters
- Insulting and demeaning our best global friends while cozying up (some would say treasonously supporting) our enemies, especially of the mooslim flavor
- Supporting anything that reduces, demeans or eliminates any semblance of American history or values
- Blithely ignoring the US Constitution
- et al.
- etc.
Just wait, bho has a whole 'nuther year to f%ck with us! It will get a whole lot worse IMHO - way worse and beyond things many of us can imagine. And since no one has had the balls to date to do anything about his actions, he we may also be able to add to the list above "- Pushing us into another revolution/civil war". >:(
I long ago came to the conclusion the bho's sole job as POTUS was to use his power as POTUS and the Congress to willfully and purposefully destroy the US in any and all possible ways. We came out of WW2 way too strong and powerful for the Soviets and the other "one-world" types to tolerate.
Remember Michael's podcast a few weeks ago, specifically about the mooslims - the mooslims and the other "one-worlders" have time on their side, the space in which to operate, and the will to succeed. That kind of will to succeed in the US has been significantly curtailed. To that I submit the BLM and campus ruckuses of late.
Remember also, some of his money people are hedge fund folks (like Soros, the puppet master we have been allowed to see) who make their fortunes betting AGAINST companies - and countries.
I don't usually listen to Beck cuz he's often wrong, always sensationalist just to be sensationalist, and lines his own pocket from his "stories (e.g. the whole gold thing). And, he's wrong here too.
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Listening to Beck is like listening to a telethon. I get so tired of everything is the the end of the world, but don't dare fight back. We all have to love each other, blah, blah. Suck it the hell up, and understand that sometimes violence IS the answer.
What he said !
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Actually, Beck missed a much more obvious answer to bho's actions - he is doing it all intentionally. Everything. I grant Beck that bho ain't the brightest bulb in the pack, but he follows orders well, can read from a teleprompter, and is surrounded by "smarter" handlers. Consider that he has been:
- Weakening the US economy through onerous laws and especially regulations.
- Using his "pen and phone" like an emperor.
- Destroying the morale of our military by all but mandating homosexuality in the ranks and forcing women into positions they are manifestly unqualified for, thus driving out (or firing) the best and the brightest in the armed forces.
- Filling the Cabinet posts with closet mooslims like Brennan and gaysym/comsym/mooslimsym supporters
- Insulting and demeaning our best global friends while cozying up (some would say treasonously supporting) our enemies, especially of the mooslim flavor
- Supporting anything that reduces, demeans or eliminates any semblance of American history or values
- Blithely ignoring the US Constitution
- et al.
- etc.
Just wait, bho has a whole 'nuther year to f%ck with us! It will get a whole lot worse IMHO - way worse and beyond things many of us can imagine. And since no one has had the balls to date to do anything about his actions, he we may also be able to add to the list above "- Pushing us into another revolution/civil war". >:(
I long ago came to the conclusion the bho's sole job as POTUS was to use his power as POTUS and the Congress to willfully and purposefully destroy the US in any and all possible ways. We came out of WW2 way too strong and powerful for the Soviets and the other "one-world" types to tolerate.
Remember Michael's podcast a few weeks ago, specifically about the mooslims - the mooslims and the other "one-worlders" have time on their side, the space in which to operate, and the will to succeed. That kind of will to succeed in the US has been significantly curtailed. To that I submit the BLM and campus ruckuses of late.
Remember also, some of his money people are hedge fund folks (like Soros, the puppet master we have been allowed to see) who make their fortunes betting AGAINST companies - and countries.
I don't usually listen to Beck cuz he's often wrong, always sensationalist just to be sensationalist, and lines his own pocket from his "stories (e.g. the whole gold thing). And, he's wrong here too.
What he said too.
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What he said !
What he said too.
Yep.
You guys are making this easy....lots less typing....just agree!!!! ;D ;D
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+1
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I started watching Beck when he was on CNN. Before he came to Fox. After about 3 or 4 months on Fox is when he started to get goofy. His show got to be like a classroom every day. It wasn't bad when he had some decent guests on. But it wasn't long and that's when he started in on all the doom and gloom stuff.
Fox tried to get him to change his show, but he didn't want to change anything. He just kept getting worse until he left for the Internet. Now he's pretty much off the rails.
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I'm kinda disappointed with this one.. Beck has come a long way in a short time. (Not unlike Donald Trump, I might add.)
10 years ago he was the biggest goofball I'd ever heard on the radio. Sometimes he still is, I'll grant you.
That whole Gandhi thing he falls off into makes me want to pimp-slap the guy till he snaps out of it. It can last for months on end, too. He eventually gets a grip. He's doing the same thing a friend of mine is doing up in Maine. He's (like Beck, sometimes) up there hiding, knowing full well that what he sees as the fall of civilization, taking place before his very eyes is actually happening, all the while demanding that nobody is gonna make him take part. I've told the guy that when they come kick his grandsons head off in his living room on the way for his wife, that he's gonna wish that he had stood up and SAID SOMETHING, AT LEAST??? He will be made to choose, just like the rest of us who haven't, yet. (But I digress...)
Beck has snapped out of it, for the most part. He's been given some clues from some of the SEALs/Medal of Honor winners that he's tried to thank, that have taken away his wiggle room to pretend it isn't happening..
Beck reminds me a little of Howard Hughes sometimes. He gets himself walled off in this world that he's been blessed to be able to build, and presupposed that he can go to ground and emerge on the other side, ideals intact.
Well, in that, he's wrong, but I do think he ultimately gets it..
The gold thing.. Well, he gets paid by advertisers, just like Fox or CNN.
If there is ONE THING that I would stop about Beck, it's that STUPID Friday football thing!!! (His whole show was 3 hours of that kind of inane nonsense when I first came across the guy on the radio. I wish the guy would stop trying to be funny!!
I'll tell you one thing that Beck has done that nobody else I've heard has done. Not one person I've heard, outside of Beck has pointed out that bho has the Syrian Christians impounded outside of San Diego somewhere while his Syrian ISIS buddies are cut loose in our neighborhoods. That's a useful bit of information that's to be expected from Barry Asshat, but isn't discussed by the likes of Shep Smith or Brit Hume or Trump, for that matter..
I think you're too hard on the guy. He's a drama queen. Ehh.. I can push a button on him till he gets done with that bit. I think, on the whole, he's done all of us a service in ringing the bell, and putting alot of light on things that didn't want to be lit..
Just me, I guess.. If I've offended, well, it ain't the first time.. ;D
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I have to agree Santa. Good post.
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The thing about Beck that irks me is that he "gets it". He knows what is happening, who is screwing us, and the fact that it 's a century long conspiracy. But then he turns around like a coward with the "Don't fight back" BS. He apparently missed the fact that that didn't work for German Jews.
F#$k that.
I make no pretense of being saintly, righteous, or civilized.
I want to go through these treasonous c#$ksuckers with a baseball bat and rope.
History shows that my way is consistently successful while the hope for the best BS never works.
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I make no pretense of being saintly, righteous, or civilized.
I want to go through these treasonous c#$ksuckers with a baseball bat and rope.
History shows that my way is consistently successful while the hope for the best BS never works.
I agree with you. The problem is we can discuss that here on a forum with a bunch of other nobody's just like us. But if you're Glen Beck with millions of listeners, and millions of dollars at stake on most every word you speak on the air, you have sponsors and advertisers to answer to. Just like every other radio and television personality out there with any type of following. If Beck started preaching violent aggression against this type of oppression, he would be off the air in 3 days or less. And his sponsors would not have a thing to do with him. Look at what happened to Tiger Woods for screwing a few whores. He never hurt anyone or anything. Except his wife's feelings. He lost millions in dropped sponsors and endorsements. He hasn't been the same since.
Look at what happened to James Yeager when he went off on You Tube, talking about how he was, "going to start killing people", if they passed another Assault Weapons Ban after Sandy Hook. They, (Tennessee), pulled his CCW, and the next day he all but apologized for it.
I'm not saying any of this is right. It isn't. It basically cuts into free speech. But again, when you are representing corporations, along with their products, it becomes very touchy as to how far you can go publically. Some years back, (circa mid 90's), there was a gun enthusiast from Louisiana named Johnny Rowland. He was the creator of the .460 Rowland cartridge, and he had a gun show on one of the cable stations. It was very popular at the time. He had a segment on gun rights with some local retired judge. They were both very anti U.N. He had a flag draped behind him with the red circle with a line through "U.N." He was asked by his sponsors to get rid of it. He refused, and as a result he lost his show. And that was long before all of this political correctness was pushed on us.
(I know this to be fact because I called in on Tom Gresham's live radio show "Gun Talk". He had a guest on at the time who was one of Rowland's sponsors. I flat out asked him on the air why Rowland went away, and that was the answer he gave me on live radio.)
Fast forward to today. If Glen Beck, (or anyone else for that matter), started preaching violent revolution, they would be off the air in 5 minutes. Again, it's not right, but as Larry Potterfield always say's, "That's the way it is".
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Not saying YOU are wrong, because I know you aren't, BUT it is a short sighted approach since they would be back ON the air the minute the People finished doing their duty.
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Not saying YOU are wrong, because I know you aren't, BUT it is a short sighted approach since they would be back ON the air the minute the People finished doing their duty.
Perhaps. But Beck doesn't want to take that kind of gamble. I can't say as I blame him. I'm no lawyer, but calling for violent resistance against a government, or anyone else on public F.C.C. controlled airwaves, is basically telling people to break the law, and do physical harm in the process. If that happened, I'm not sure of what the legal consequences would be for Beck personally. Could he be held responsible? Or be charged as an agitator trying to aid in overthrowing the government? Would the F.C.C. pull his, or his stations license? I don't know. Perhaps Mr. Bane can chime in here. I'm sure he has had to bite his tongue on the air many times. I know these guys all walk on egg shells when they talk about gun control, along with the peoples rights on national television. They keep everything in general terms.
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You don't have to openly advocate for violent resistance to get the point across. The fact is, while peaceful resolution is always the preferred method of change, sometimes you have to stand. Holding hands and singing songs only gets you so far. I think it was Lord of War? Ian Holms character CORRECTLY stated "bullets change governments far surer than votes."
The biggest problem with Beck is that he is satisfied to sit on the train tracks and be run over when the stock cars start rolling east. He just seems so disillusioned to the fact that insurrection (even nonviolent) is far more effective. We have the power to change things. We have the tools written in the Constitution. We have the power over government, but we must exert that power. People like Beck that only preach hopelessness and despair only serve to create a bunch of pacifists.
He likes to fancy himself a modern day Thomas Paine. But Paine was no sissy. He told it like it was and fully supported the Continentals. I get it with having to answer to your income source. But spinelessness is not a trait we need right now. It is exactly that type of woe is me attitude that has brought us to this point.
We need inspiring leaders. Not ones who tell us it's all lost and it is wrong to take a stand.
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You don't have to openly advocate for violent resistance to get the point across. The fact is, while peaceful resolution is always the preferred method of change, sometimes you have to stand. Holding hands and singing songs only gets you so far. I think it was Lord of War? Ian Holms character CORRECTLY stated "bullets change governments far surer than votes."
The biggest problem with Beck is that he is satisfied to sit on the train tracks and be run over when the stock cars start rolling east. He just seems so disillusioned to the fact that insurrection (even nonviolent) is far more effective. We have the power to change things. We have the tools written in the Constitution. We have the power over government, but we must exert that power. People like Beck that only preach hopelessness and despair only serve to create a bunch of pacifists.
He likes to fancy himself a modern day Thomas Paine. But Paine was no sissy. He told it like it was and fully supported the Continentals. I get it with having to answer to your income source. But spinelessness is not a trait we need right now. It is exactly that type of woe is me attitude that has brought us to this point.
We need inspiring leaders. Not ones who tell us it's all lost and it is wrong to take a stand.
The American people have all the power but 50% of them are below average intelligence. That's why we end up with the kind of politicians we always get. As long as stupid people keep making stupid choices we end up going nowhere. Our only hope is for someone to educate the masses. I've never listened to Glen Beck but from this thread it doesn't sound like he's going to be our savior. Someone with more backbone needs to speak up, sponsors be damned, but no one wants to be it.
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Perhaps. But Beck doesn't want to take that kind of gamble. I can't say as I blame him. I'm no lawyer, but calling for violent resistance against a government, or anyone else on public F.C.C. controlled airwaves, is basically telling people to break the law, and do physical harm in the process. If that happened, I'm not sure of what the legal consequences would be for Beck personally. Could he be held responsible? Or be charged as an agitator trying to aid in overthrowing the government? Would the F.C.C. pull his, or his stations license? I don't know. Perhaps Mr. Bane can chime in here. I'm sure he has had to bite his tongue on the air many times. I know these guys all walk on egg shells when they talk about gun control, along with the peoples rights on national television. They keep everything in general terms.
Yeah, words have consequences. For Al Sharpton, who has made a career of calling for violence which has resulted in several deadly riots, the consequences have been getting out of paying $4 million in taxes.
At a time when what is needed is one credible leader to stand up and say it's past time to water the tree Beck's stance is nothing but cowardice.
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Dana Loecsh has more balls than Beck.
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Dana Loecsh has more balls than Beck.
So does Ann Barnhart. But it doesn't matter because both preach to no one but the choir..... Just like Beck.
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Bill, you miss the point. The choir are the only ones who matter. The rest are either the enemy or mere sheep who don't matter.
That's why it was treason for Obama to arm the Syrian moderates, moderates by definition won't fight so it was a back door to arming ISIS with YOUR money.
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Bill, you miss the point. The choir are the only ones who matter. The rest are either the enemy or mere sheep who don't matter.
That's why it was treason for Obama to arm the Syrian moderates, moderates by definition won't fight so it was a back door to arming ISIS with YOUR money.
The problem is you're never going to get them, (the choir), to do ANYTHING that matters. Even an ARMED million man march on Washington would bring enough attention to make all but the hardest far left liberals walk away from any new gun control proposals. No one does it. Not even the NRA. They've got all they can do to get members to mail in $5 bucks once and a while. They just cry and bitch about...... "You're rights as an American". If you can't even get that out of them, you sure as hell won't get "armed resistance". For that, the bulk of the populace has to endure some real pain for a long time. Expensive health care, along with a higher than normal unemployment rate isn't going to do it.
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I have to disagree with you Bill. I think that you absolutely COULD get results from an armed insurrection. It would probably be more that 3% and it would be effective, and you would most likely never have to fire a shot. Case in point, Bundy Ranch. Regardless of whether or not you agree with how it all started or the fallout afterwards, it proved that .gov does not have overwhelming power when confronted with an armed populace. The Feds backed down. Because they knew if they fired, it was over. The militia's that were involved knew that the feds had to fire the first shot. Consider what would have happened if we didn't have the news coverage that we have today?
What prevents this from going onto the next phase of actually cleaning house (as it were) is the lack of any kind of real leadership. Secondly, and this is the more critical aspect, is starting the ball rolling and having it be represented for what it is.
The propaganda war is where our side gets completely creamed. The media is controlled by the elite, so any move made against them will not be portrayed fairly. Not to mention half of the country being too stupid to look at anything with a critical mind. This is why it is so critical for voices on the right to have the stones to say what needs to be said.
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I'm not saying you wouldn't get results. I am saying you wouldn't get an armed insurrection. People in this country simply aren't motivated enough. Yes, they're more pissed off than ever before. But about all the manifestation as you'll get from their being pissed off is a vote for Trump. They're miles away from locking and loading.
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To prove my point, just look at where the bulk of the electorate in this country stands with Muslims in general. Most are perfectly OK with them. "Oh, they're not all bad". They don't want us to shoot at them. Many sympathize with them. Yeah, Trump wants to, "Bomb the shit out of them". But look at how he is treated by most for simply saying it. Now imagine if he got in and really did it?
This country has the most piss poor attitude I've ever seen in 63 years of living. At best you've got 2% or 3% like us, who are actually willing to go to guns over this. You may have another 4% or 5% who will cheer you on from the side lines. The rest are going to think you're nothing more than a whacked out, far right fringe of a, "gun culture run amok". And they'll hide under their beds like the gutless pussies they are....... And always have been, expecting the government to take care of them in some way, shape, or form.
Look at how the election is shaping up. When you get right down to it, I sincerely doubt most of the people have the guts to even vote for Trump. They're "afraid" of him, and or, "what he might do". You would think the Independent's would be jumping for joy over him. Especially after 8 years of Obama. They're not. Many are predicting a Hillary rout if Trump is the nominee. He should win in a landslide! But he won't. Right now I think he'll be lucky if he even gets the nomination.
Now transfer all of this fact into an "armed insurrection". It would be a total disaster. The current government would wipe us out in 5 minutes, and the vast majority would be cheering them on. They love the current government, and want nothing but MORE of it. That's why they'll all be voting for Hillary. She'll give it to them. They don't give a shit about the weak economy, because the bulk of them aren't interested in working in the first place. You've got half the population right now on the government dole, all getting some type of monetary benefit from it. They're sure as hell not going to shoot at that! They'll just cheer for the candidate who will give them more of it. Enter Hillary.
The military would support them and not you because you would be painted as a, "direct enemy of the state", by every outlet that had a microphone or a printing press. And the idiots would swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Just like they all do now. Say what you want about Glen Beck. But he knows and understands all of this. So he talks, and makes his millions off of all of their weaknesses. He's their savior, and he'll never have to fire a shot.
Right now this country is so completely overdosed on LAZY and DUMB, we can't even get a guy with some guts elected. Let alone have those same people go to guns, and pick up arms against an oppressive government, they themselves don't think is oppressive. They just think they don't hand out enough free stuff. I mean after all, that very same government has been telling them they, "deserve it" for the last 8 years. They're certainly not going to shoot at that. They'd rather shoot the family dog. He gives them free shit. Just not the kind they're interested in.
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You don't have to openly advocate for violent resistance to get the point across. The fact is, while peaceful resolution is always the preferred method of change, sometimes you have to stand. Holding hands and singing songs only gets you so far. I think it was Lord of War? Ian Holms character CORRECTLY stated "bullets change governments far surer than votes."
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We need inspiring leaders. Not ones who tell us it's all lost and it is wrong to take a stand.
And today is the 242nd anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. One of the first dominoes to fall towards the US's independence.
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The things Bill says may be true, but never forget the lessons of history.
The successful Cuban Revolution started with fewer than 50 guys hidingout in the mountains.
Also, the Americanrevolution was made possible by promoting a few staged incidents like the Boston Tea Party, and the Boston massacre.
We are missing chances by not doing the same with things like the Clinton war on your 1st amendment as typified by their massacre of the Branch Davidians.
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The things Bill says may be true, but never forget the lessons of history.
The successful Cuban Revolution started with fewer than 50 guys hidingout in the mountains.
Also, the Americanrevolution was made possible by promoting a few staged incidents like the Boston Tea Party, and the Boston massacre.
We are missing chances by not doing the same with things like the Clinton war on your 1st amendment as typified by their massacre of the Branch Davidians.
I agree with everything you've said. But the Cuban Revolutionaries HATED the government that was oppressing them. Much the same with the Colonists during the American Revolution. They all had vivid memories of what it was like to be oppressed. So much so they would rather die, than live that way again. And they had the bulk of the Colonists and the Cubans SUPPORTING them, not despising them.
Today in this country there is nothing representing that type of mentality, and thirst for independence and freedom. Except for a few guys like us, who have lived long enough to watch this rotten stench that exists today transpire. Today it's just the opposite. They want MORE government, not LESS. All of these gutless ass wipes are ripe for the picking, and the communist Democrats know it all too well. And they know they can be bought cheap..... With YOUR money. They've been successfully indoctrinating them in our public schools for over half a century. They've finally succeeded in dumbing them down to the point they can never be turned around. They're completely brainwashed into thinking government is the answer to all of their problems. "Generation X and Y", along with all the Millennial's have completely bought into this entire bucket of shit. They think the problem with this country is we don't have enough government to "provide". They've all be well educated by communist teachers and professors to think that.
This in spite of the fact anyone with an ounce of brains can clearly see the government has been the source of all their problems for that same half century. All you have to do is look at any Democratic controlled city or state in this country. Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles, New York under Bill de Blasio, and the list goes on and on. You couldn't create better examples of how big government fails the people. No matter, they all want more.
These people are now the majority. We have become a nation of weak, stupid, lazy pussies that look to the government for everything from "free" health care, education, housing, food, and just about everything else needed to survive in life. There have been few if any protests of Americans complaining about too much government. Let alone one they think is oppressive. It's the exact opposite. They see capitalist Republicans like Trump as the one's who are holding them down. They have all been educated to despise wealth and success as an evil that must be eliminated. The Tea Party has been successfully ridiculed and demonized by the liberals, and the communist media wherever possible.
The best we can do today is get a few thousand to follow Trump around, cheering wildly. But they'll be silenced in a general election when the government loving, ass licking, liberal Democrats come out of the woodwork to keep their freebies coming. This country has been bought by Democrats, and paid for with your tax dollars. And it's only going to get worse. Because you now have a nation full of idiots who think a free cell phone, or an EBT card represents more "freedom" than they could possibly achieve on their own. And the really sad part is they've all become so stupid, for the most part they're right.
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That is NOT true, most Cubans thought Castro was a joke since the Cuban people had very little reason to hate Batista, at that time Cuba enjoyed the highest standard of living in the Caribbean region. Also, III% comes from the number of supporters of the American revolution. It is a historical fact that loyalist regiments consistently out recruited the revolutionaries. In fact, one of those regiments still exists, the Royal Green Jackets were originally the "Loyal Americans", one of the rifle, as opposed to standard musket armed, regiments.
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That is NOT true, most Cubans thought Castro was a joke since the Cuban people had very little reason to hate Batista, at that time Cuba enjoyed the highest standard of living in the Caribbean region. Also, III% comes from the number of supporters of the American revolution. It is a historical fact that loyalist regiments consistently out recruited the revolutionaries. In fact, one of those regiments still exists, the Royal Green Jackets were originally the "Loyal Americans", one of the rifle, as opposed to standard musket armed, regiments.
And today you have a nation of over 300 MILLION people. A full one third of which are flat broke. And almost half of which are getting something "free" from the government. 3% of 300 million equates to 9 million people. Do you honestly think you'll get 9 million people to pick up arms against this government? You would be hard pressed to get 1/10th that many to show up for an armed freedom march on Washington. And they wouldn't have to fire a shot to do it. Hell, the NRA can barely get 5 million to join. And there are over 300 million guns owned in this nation.
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Numbers are irrelevant, what counts is leadership and proper promotion of the cause. Just like any other product the marketing is the key.
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Numbers are irrelevant, what counts is leadership and proper promotion of the cause. Just like any other product the marketing is the key.
Perhaps. But regardless of how good the end product or service is, it's meaningless if no one is buying it. Believe me, I wish things were different. But every day I'm seeing more evidence it's not.
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You have it backwards. The quality or utility of the product means nothing compared to the marketing.
Look at things like the pet rock .
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Look at things like the pet rock .
You can't compare the sale of a silly, gimmick item like a "Pet Rock", to selling armed revolution. One requires you to do nothing but spend a few dollars, buy it, and look at it. The other requires you to lay your life on the line for something you truly believe in. They don't. This nation has gone down the tubes way too far for anything like that to transpire. As I said, most love the government, and want to elect a communist who will give them more of it. Just look at Hillary and Sanders poll numbers.
You had it right before. Let the whole thing collapse, (because it's going to anyway), then, when they're all starving, they MIGHT realize the communists had it all wrong. But until then it's like a room full of cocaine addicts. Until they all hit rock bottom, there is no use trying to convince them otherwise.
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Bill, I agree with your thinking, but why do you feel the need to convince people who are of no consequence? You are right, half of the country is on the dole. So what kind of a role do you think they would play? They are going to continue their professional couch sitting until the checks stop coming. Then they will riot.
That leaves you with 150 million people. Lets say 2/3 are capable of actually participating. Now you are down to 100 million. Now we take 3% of those who would take up arms, and maybe another million that would actively support them?
With proper leadership you now have a 4 million person army. How many in the military would quietly support them? Half? As of Dec. 31 2013 there were 1,369,532 active duty military personnel. Remember at it's peak Al Qaeda had somewhere around 10,000 actual fighters? And has managed to keep the fight going for 14 years. The potatoes were sick of war after a couple of years. How long do you think they will support their masters when the fight is in their front yard?
I fear that we have reached the point where an errant spark will blow the whole thing. I also believe that this was the plan all along. Now that civilian disarmament has been put on the table, unless .gov backs down, I think it's only a matter of time before we will start to see pockets of active resistance, and once they get started, .gov will clamp down, creating a snowball effect.
Take this for what it's worth. It is only my opinion, and something I really hope we can find a way to avoid.
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..................Now that civilian disarmament has been put on the table, unless .gov backs down, I think it's only a matter of time before we will start to see pockets of active resistance, and once they get started, .gov will clamp down, creating a snowball effect.
You have, what is estimated to be in the tens of thousands of people in New York who are presently engaged in civil disobedience, and are not complying with New York's "Safe Act". And they are refusing to register their black rifles, or are getting rid of their 30 round magazines. They, (law enforcement), won't go door to door because several New York law enforcement organizations have stated they won't arrest anyone who is in direct violation of it.
So it's basically a law with no way to enforce it......... That's one thing. I think you'll see a lot more of that should Obama sign some off the chart Executive Order banning "Assault Rifles". But going from that to having these same people become revolutionary killers is a big step I doubt even 2% would be willing to take, if that.
Look at how many won't leave California over their draconian gun laws. They all state jobs, family, along with a dozen other flimsy excuses of why they won't leave. None of these people would be willing to go to guns against any government. Yet on paper they hate the government of the state they won't leave on their own free will, to get away from. This in spite of having the freedom to do it.
That's what I did 25 years ago when I got fed up with Illinois and moved to Arizona. We didn't know a sole, or have a job. But I hated Illinois enough to where it didn't matter. If Arizona hadn't worked out, we would have found somewhere that would. Texas perhaps, I don't know. Most people won't make those kind of hard choices. They'll stay put and deal with it. Much like they will this insane government. And I'm talking gun owners here, not the worthless deadbeat, government tit sucking communists.
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That's why I keep coming back to leadership. Anything that happens must be coordinated. "Lone Wolf" doesn't work. You have to show that any kind of disobedience is the tactic of a larger entity. Otherwise the media can and will spin it. But if you can coordinate efforts nationwide, it becomes much more difficult for them to bury the motive.