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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: bryand71 on November 01, 2008, 04:58:27 PM
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Found this on the Smoking Gun, if gunowners keep this up, we won't be able to defend our 2nd Amendment rights. Here is the link to the story, complete with 3 page police report. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1028081mccain1.html
OCTOBER 28--Angered that two neighborhood teenagers knocked over a John McCain sign on his lawn, an Ohio man allegedly grabbed a rifle and fired three times at the duo as they sought to drive away from his Warren Township home. Kenneth Rowles, 50, was charged with felonious assault in connection with the Saturday afternoon incident, which resulted in one boy suffering a minor bullet wound. According to a Warren Township Police Department report, Patrick Wise, 16, yelled, "This is for Obama" as he knocked over the McCain sign. Wise's cousin, Kyree Flowers, 17, was waiting in the passenger seat of the SUV, which was struck by three bullets fired by Rowles. One bullet hit Flowers in the arm, while another shattered the passenger's and driver's side windows. Rowles, pictured in the above mug shot, claimed in a police interview that he "shot three times attempting to scare the subjects." Shortly after the October 25 confrontation, Rowles called police to complain about two instances in which his McCain signs had been vandalized, but never bothered to mention that he had, minutes earlier, fired at a vehicle carrying Wise and Flowers. As Officer Daniel Peterson was getting into his squad car to leave, Rowles stopped him to ask about a new Ohio law allowing homeowners to protect their property. "I told him that it would be stupid for someone to get shot or injured over an election sign and he agreed," Peterson wrote in his report, which you'll find below. Police seized 11 long guns and four pistols from Rowles's home, and recovered two spent .22-caliber shell casings from his driveway. If convicted of the assault charge, Rowles faces up to eight years in prison.
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Ugh! Use a little common sense here people. Lets see, I'm a gun owner showing my support for a candidate that will maintain my right to enjoy firearms and shooting by placing his sign in my yard. A couple stupid teenagers want to vandalize said sign, so I decide the best course of action is to subject myself to felony charges and foreit these rights by firing at the vandals. ??? I'm surprised he hit anything since his vision was obviously impaired by the fact his head was firmly lodged within is rectum. :-[ I guess both sides of the 2A battle have their "pearls", but this guy... MORON.
Swoop
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i hope they throw the book at both of them.
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Smacking my forehead with my palm....
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Okay.. I agree....it doesn't help our cause.. but..................
dammit.. it is private personal property..
in my opinion.. you come on my property.. vandalize and try to tear up or steal my shit and I'm gonna shoot ya..
sends a message..
might classify me in the Moron section...but why would anyone have to set back and put up with that? No matter if it is your car.. your signs..your tools .....whatever.. It is YOURS! That means you.. can... not... come... in ...and.... take... it... or ...tear... it... up.
Simple as that!
But the message we continually send is:
We as gun owners have the right to protect ourselves and what is ours.. but only if it is approved and doesn't interfere with the little scumbag thugs who roam the streets having free reign over anything that they want to. And they know it. That is why nothing is sacred anymore.
It was in HIS yard.. it was HIS signs and those kids (adults) had no right to be in there tearing them up.
Let them think that they might get their little worthless asses shot if they come on someone's property again..and they MIGHT give it a second thought. >:(
Okay.I'm done. :-X
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Okay.. I agree....it doesn't help our cause.. but..................
dammit.. it is private personal property..
in my opinion.. you come on my property.. vandalize and try to tear up or steal my shit and I'm gonna shoot ya..
sends a message..
might classify me in the Moron section...but why would anyone have to set back and put up with that? No matter if it is your car.. your signs..your tools .....whatever.. It is YOURS! That means you.. can... not... come... in ...and.... take... it... or ...tear... it... up.
Simple as that!
But the message we continually send is:
We as gun owners have the right to protect ourselves and what is ours.. but only if it is approved and doesn't interfere with the little scumbag thugs who roam the streets having free reign over anything that they want to. And they know it. That is why nothing is sacred anymore.
It was in HIS yard.. it was HIS signs and those kids (adults) had no right to be in there tearing them up.
Let them think that they might get their little worthless asses shot if they come on someone's property again..and they MIGHT give it a second thought. >:(
Okay.I'm done. :-X
The LAW is SUPPOSED to be the method of dealing with such situations.
But when the law is ineffectual, or protects the offenders ??????
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How big an issue in terms of Rights would this be if he had used a bat, knife, willow branch, shovel, car or garden hose? He used a gun, and now it is a whole different crime. Same idea as "hate" crimes - When an likeness of Mrs. Palin was hung from a noose it was just a Halloween decoration, but when Mr. Obama's likeness was treated the same it was a hate crime ???
We need to be extra careful both because of what we are up against and because it is the right thing to do ... BUT IT STILL SUCKS !!!
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How big an issue in terms of Rights would this be if he had used a bat, knife, willow branch, shovel, car or garden hose? He used a gun, and now it is a whole different crime. Same idea as "hate" crimes - When an likeness of Mrs. Palin was hung from a noose it was just a Halloween decoration, but when Mr. Obama's likeness was treated the same it was a hate crime ???
We need to be extra careful both because of what we are up against and because it is the right thing to do ... BUT IT STILL SUCKS !!!
if he used a bat, knife, willow branch, shovel, or car it would still be assult with a deadly weapon. if he had used the hose, he would have been fine...
Shooting some one over something like a political sign is way over the line. I mean we are talking about something that is basicly worthless. Something liike a car, or live stock I can understand.
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if he used a bat, knife, willow branch, shovel, or car it would still be assult with a deadly weapon.
True, but it would not get near the attention that the gun will get.
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I say he should have hooked up the signs to the electric dog fence like the guy did in Chapel Hill, NC. :o He also had a video camera recording the sign, some kid came up and went to switch out a McCain sign with an Obama sign, as soon as he touched the frame, he got a good jolt! No-one was seriously hurt, and I bet the kid won't try that again.
I don't think the signs were worth shooting someone over, yes they were his and on his property, but no-one was hurt or threatened. If it bothered him that much, set up a camera and turn the tape over to police. Using a firearm is such a giant responsibility and everytime a gun-owner does something stupid, it hurts all of us.
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Shooting some one over something like a political sign is way over the line. I mean we are talking about something that is basicly worthless. Something liike a car, or live stock I can understand.
This is basically the way I was viewing the situation. Yes, M'ette, I agree that anyone trespassing on your property and vadalizing anything is grounds for a good beating (probably not getting shot), but we have to exercise better judgement than most as we are representatives of gun ownership and sports whether we like it or not. Also, even if it were the mans car being vandalized or stolen, you must know your local laws. My state, and it is one of the more liberal ones concerning defense, demands that you or someone else be in danger of death, severe injury, molestation, or kidnapping before you may use deadly force. This man has subjected himself to felony charges in order to prevent a misdemeanor. He has now, more than likely, lost his gun ownership rights and his right to vote over a sign. Than is why, at least in my book, he is classified as a moron.
Swoop
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I think it was fine for the man to take a firearm outdoor with him just in case, the problem is that he nor any other person was being put into danger by these jerks. Chances are he could have simply noted the license plate number, and filed a complaint with the police armed with the information needed to find the car owner and to contact him.
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I know all of that you guys. I do! And I know the laws... and I wouldn't shoot either..( I'd sure as hell want to tho)
BUT!! It pisses me straight off that the damned thieves and crooks and pond sucking skanks have the upper hand every single damned time! They know it too. >:(
The law abiders are the ones who have to tow the line and be fearful and "give it".. the rest of the bottom feeding no count waste of oxygen losers do as they please and are protected. >:(
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I know what you mean M'ette, and its sad. It seems, sometimes, that the only people honoring the laws are those who wouldn't require them to be written in the first place.
Swoop
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I know what you mean M'ette, and its sad. It seems, sometimes, that the only people honoring the laws are those who wouldn't require them to be written in the first place.
Swoop
I'll second that! Its like the old saying "Locks only keep out the honest people."
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I know all of that you guys. I do! And I know the laws... and I wouldn't shoot either..( I'd sure as hell want to tho)
BUT!! It pisses me straight off that the damned thieves and crooks and pond sucking skanks have the upper hand every single damned time! They know it too. >:(
The law abiders are the ones who have to tow the line and be fearful and "give it".. the rest of the bottom feeding no count waste of oxygen losers do as they please and are protected. >:(
The old community application of tar and feathers was a good deterrant in my father's day. It happened in the town I grew up in as did other occasional attitude adjustments applied by the men of the community to various neer-do-wells who had the tendency to beat their wives or children...such action did not have the permanence of a weapon and helped to steer the slaggards in the community towards the straight and narrow.
Of course this cannot happen in our enlightened society.
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There was a time in the not to distant past when neighbors looked out for and helped each other.Today most people have been brainwashed to believe it is just not their job to get involved, but at best to call 911.
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There was a time in the not to distant past when neighbors looked out for and helped each other.Today most people have been brainwashed to believe it is just not their job to get involved, but at best to call 911.
I feel real lucky to live in my neighborhood, my neighbors and I all get along very well and usually take turns house sitting when one of us goes out of town. We live in a cul-de-sac, so I guess that helps some. I know most people don't because they are always working and staying busy with other things which keep them either inside all the time or away from home.
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The old community application of tar and feathers was a good deterrant in my father's day. It happened in the town I grew up in as did other occasional attitude adjustments applied by the men of the community to various neer-do-wells who had the tendency to beat their wives or children...such action did not have the permanence of a weapon and helped to steer the slaggards in the community towards the straight and narrow.
Of course this cannot happen in our enlightened society.
I can guarantee that had I participated in that sort of "prank" during my teen years, I'd have been forced to eat my meals while standing for a good long time afterward (if you get my drift). Another sad comment on modern society.....disciplining of children is a thing of the past.
While I agree with Teresa on most of what she said, this gentleman who fired his weapon during a period of cranial-rectal-isertion gave ALL of us a black eye, much as those who bomb Planned Parenthood clinics give all pro-lifers a black eye.
This guy needs to conduct a scientific experiment........pull his head out of his ass and see if it causes his ears to pop.