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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Rastus on June 02, 2009, 06:08:06 AM
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Little Rock police inspect the scene of a shooting outside a military recruitment office that left one soldier dead and another hurt Monday.
By William M. Welch, USA TODAY
A Muslim convert who said he was opposed to the U.S. military shot two soldiers outside an Arkansas recruiting station, killing one, police said Monday.
"This individual appears to have been upset with the military, the Army in particular, and that's why he did what he did," Little Rock Police Lt. Terry Hastings said.
"He has converted to (Islam) here in the past few years," Hastings said. "We're not completely clear on what he was upset about. He had never been in the military.
"He saw them standing there and drove up and shot them. That's what he said."
Police Chief Stuart Thomas said Pvt. William Long, 23, of Conway was killed. Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville was wounded and in stable condition, Thomas said.
Police arrested Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, of Little Rock, Thomas said. The suspect was previously known as Carlos Bledsoe, he said.
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Lovely. Let me guess, he used an "assault weapon" too. Yet another homegrown religious fanatic terrorist, just like the guy who shot an abortion provider in his church, no less. Sunday, it was desecrating the church, today, its desecrating the flag. Religious extremist terrorists, of whatever flavor, have no loyalty to country, any recognizable God or common decency. And guess who gets the blame? Law abiding gun owners. I was going to go to evening prayer today anyway. I'll light a candle for those two soldiers and pray that these idiots someday understand that God wasn't kidding about that whole Thou shalt not do murder thing. God help us all.
FQ13
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Lovely. Let me guess, he used an "assault weapon" too. Yet another homegrown religious fanatic terrorist, just like the guy who shot an abortion provider in his church, no less. Sunday, it was desecrating the church, today, its desecrating the flag. Religious extremist terrorists, of whatever flavor, have no loyalty to country, any recognizable God or common decency. And guess who gets the blame? Law abiding gun owners. I was going to go to evening prayer today anyway. I'll light a candle for those two soldiers and pray that these idiots someday understand that God wasn't kidding about that whole Thou shalt not do murder thing. God help us all.
FQ13
The guy in Arkansas was a terrorist wannabe - the FBI was investigating him for going to Yemen on a Somali passport.
As for the guy who killed the abortionist (not an "abortion provider" as you so quaintly described him) perhaps thought he was following Jesus' example. Jesus was not against violence. In the Garden, he admonished Peter to put his sword away, not because he was a kumbaya-singing pacifist, but because what was happening was ordained.
He also fashioned ropes into a whip and physically beat people and drove them out of the Temple. Why? Because they were committing evil in the house of his Father.
FQ, if you actually read the Bible you purport to know, you would know this, and know that we are instructed to confront evil where it exists. A southern black man who recently converted to Islam and killed 2 soldiers volunteering at a recruiting station is not confronting evil. It is murder.
Killing a man who is personally responsible for the murders of thousands of unborn children may in fact be justified in some sense. Reminds me of the etics question - if you had full knowledge of world events since 1900 as we have experienced them, and you had the opportunity to kill Hitler and get away with it in 1930 - would you?
I will not judge the shooter, I will leave that in the hands of the Lord.
And yes, the anti's will use these, as well as all other shootings - against us. Be prepared, be vigilant, be ready to respond to protect your rights. What part of "We're in a fight" don't you get? To quote Bruce Lee, "A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard."
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The guy in Arkansas was a terrorist wannabe - the FBI was investigating him for going to Yemen on a Somali passport.
As for the guy who killed the abortionist (not an "abortion provider" as you so quaintly described him) perhaps thought he was following Jesus' example. Jesus was not against violence. In the Garden, he admonished Peter to put his sword away, not because he was a kumbaya-singing pacifist, but because what was happening was ordained.
He also fashioned ropes into a whip and physically beat people and drove them out of the Temple. Why? Because they were committing evil in the house of his Father.
FQ, if you actually read the Bible you purport to know, you would know this, and know that we are instructed to confront evil where it exists. A southern black man who recently converted to Islam and killed 2 soldiers volunteering at a recruiting station is not confronting evil. It is murder.
Killing a man who is personally responsible for the murders of thousands of unborn children may in fact be justified in some sense. Reminds me of the etics question - if you had full knowledge of world events since 1900 as we have experienced them, and you had the opportunity to kill Hitler and get away with it in 1930 - would you?
I will not judge the shooter, I will leave that in the hands of the Lord.
And yes, the anti's will use these, as well as all other shootings - against us. Be prepared, be vigilant, be ready to respond to protect your rights. What part of "We're in a fight" don't you get? To quote Bruce Lee, "A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard."
What part of we are American citizens don't you get Pathfinder? Somebody who thinks that because God is whispering in his ear that killing folks is ok, is an enemy of every principle that this Republic was founded on. I don't care if you're Christian, Muslim, Jewish or a Scientologist, thats just not how we do business here. Thats how things work in Somalia or Afghanistan, not the USA. The guy who killed the abortion doctor thought he was a murderer. The guy who killed those soldiers thought they were oppressing muslims. Guess what, I don't give a f..k (sorry M'lette but sometimes the word is called for), we are a democratic republic based on laws grounded in our constitution. Last I checked, joining the army and performing abortions were both legal. If you don't like the law then change it, its been done before, peacefully and on the big issues to. You don't get the right to decide who lives or dies based on your own philosophy. If you excuse the "christian" terrorist, you are no better than the guys who support Ben Laden, because they both hate our country, our constitution and the rule of law. To quote W. (which I am loathe to do, but when you're right, you're right) You're either with us or against in the war against terrorism. Choose your side Pathfinder. Me, I took an oath when I was 18. Its been a long damn time since I offered a salute or wore a uniform, but I understood that that oath was for life. I know what side I'm on. How about you? To sow political terror on American soil while the Constitution is still in place is to spit on everything this country stands for.
FQ13
PS I apologize if that came off a little harsher than I intended Geoff. Its just that I get sick and tired of the religious right working themselves into spasms of outrage against murdering muslim terrorists, and then when a "christian" terrorist goes and does the same thing......crickets.
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Your post underlines your ignorance. You call yourself an "Educator" and yet you perpetuate the myth that this is a democracy, it's not, it's a Republic, there is a difference. Look it up.
As for "That's not how we do business here" you seem to be overlooking a few historical details, like the pre and post revolutionary terror campaign waged against Tories, and the violence before and after the Civil war. Judging by the way the country is headed I would say that their are a lot of people who need to be shot or hung. I'm not talking about abortion doctors, or terrorist wannabe's but the treasonous bastards who make their conduct possible.
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Your post underlines your ignorance. You call yourself an "Educator" and yet you perpetuate the myth that this is a democracy, it's not, it's a Republic, there is a difference. Look it up.
As for "That's not how we do business here" you seem to be overlooking a few historical details, like the pre and post revolutionary terror campaign waged against Tories, and the violence before and after the Civil war. Judging by the way the country is headed I would say that their are a lot of people who need to be shot or hung. I'm not talking about abortion doctors, or terrorist wannabe's but the treasonous bastards who make their conduct possible.
With all due respect Tom,you make two points, unfortunately, both are wrong.
As far as the democracy vs republic issue, I am well aware of the distinction. I am also aware that we are a hybrid of the the two. The Constitution specified that only the House be directly (democratically) elected. However while the president and senate were indirectly elected, they were both chosen by electd officials, the electoral college (chosen by the state leg) and the state legislatures respectively. Hence the term democratic republic.
As far as terrorism not "being how we do business here" I did misspeak and stand corrected. I, however just took it for granted that the post-revolutionary purges of Tories and the KKKs(version 1.0 and not to be confused with todays Klan) reign of terror were not things to be proud of or emulated. I should have said "its not how we SHOULD do business here". If you disagree, and think that the rule of law should be overturned by which ever mob is the strongest at the moment, that is your perogative. Me, I am a libertarian, not an anarchist, and I find the law of the jungle a bit distasteful, but to each their own.
FQ13
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Actually I was thinking more along the lines of John Brown and the "Beecher's Bibles". You convieniently forget that not ALL the violence was in the name of repression.
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It is a shame that this happened. May God be with their families and comfort them. Isn't it ironic how there was a pole on CNN and the majority do not trust nor like muslims? And Obama wants to smooth things over with these religious fanatics? They wander about damaged relations when the muslim world is responsible for the cause of the hostilities.
There are some lyrics from a punk band called Suicidal Tendencies that say, "The greatest weapon of the fascist is the tolerance of the pacifist.". The United States turning their cheek on the attacks of the muslim fanatics is just opening us up for a strike on the other cheek. Just my two cents.
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Actually I was thinking more along the lines of John Brown and the "Beecher's Bibles". You convieniently forget that not ALL the violence was in the name of repression.
You are correct sir, but again you prove my point. The Beecher bilbles were sent to help Free Soil Kansas farmers against the incursions of the pro-slavery factions from Mo. But the fact is, that both sides gave in to the calls of extremist rhetoric and rejected the legitimacy of the democratic process and the law. They took the law into their own hands by resorting to violence against their fellow citizens, motivated by passion and self interest. These were the two things the founders warned us against over and over again in the Federalist Papers and in every line of the Constitution. They ignored this and helped plunge this nation into its bloodiest war. The republic was damn near destroyed and 500,000 Americans (and thats only counting combatants) died, not due to an external foe, but because we settled political differences with the gun, rather than through the machinery the founders bequethed us. This Tom, is why I draw no distiction between a muslim terrorist and a "christian" one. We've seen this movie before, and if I wasn't smart enough to get the hint from Madison, Hamilton and Washington, I kind of got the message walking through some Civil War battlefeilds.
FQ13
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Let them hate, so long as they fear.
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I've said it before and i'l say it again.
religous fanatics are the most dangerous people.
does not matter what thier faith is.
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I can't help myself here, I feel very much like Peter Venkmann wanting to get the Gatekeeper (FQ13) and The Keymaster (Tab) together. Talk about TEOTWAWKI! ;D
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We should gas them.
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We should gas them.
Did you not read my post debating whether to buy the .308 semi or the the 12 gauge? Good luck Yankee. ;D
FQ13
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"George F. Will opines in Newsweek that Americans are a nation of cowards and shirkers, observing that we have surrendered our streets - as well as our dignity - to the goblins. He points out that, concerned with street crime, we choose to throw money at it rather than to fight. Money is not the answer. More cops cannot help. They can't be everywhere at once. More prisons cannot help. Modern prisons don't scare the bad guy. The only thing that can help is will - the will to fight back. If we have truly lost that, there is little hope for our civilization."
Jeff Cooper
The days of a kinder, gentler nation were tried. The stakes have been raised. Now Muslim converts, which are VERY popular in American prisons, are planning(recently attempted) to bomb Jews, shoot down military aircraft, (whether they were capable or not won't matter when ONE attack gets through), and now killing military personnel in Arkansas!
Now the USA's policy is to "reason" and come to an "accord" with these people, and apologize for our arrogant and headstrong previous policies. (Watch the talking points for the BHO Apology Tour this week),...
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"Now the USA's policy is to "reason" and come to an "accord" with these people, and apologize for our arrogant and headstrong previous policies. (Watch the talking points for the BHO Apology Tour this week)",...
Obama is naive to think these people are just gonna stop....they have hated the west for too long. They may feign friendly just prior to another attack...the little hairs on the back of my neck are on full alert... >:(
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Here is the rational behind these Love, Tolerance, Peace & Harmony:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-06-01-army-recruiter-killed_N.htm?csp=34
Suspect pleads not guilty in recruitment center shooting
By William M. Welch, USA TODAY
A Muslim convert who said he was against the U.S. military pleaded not guilty Tuesday to capital murder in connection with the shooting of two soldiers outside an Arkansas recruiting center.
One soldier died in the attack Monday, police said.
Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, was ordered held without bail at a hearing Tuesday in Little Rock. He is charged in the death of Pvt. William Long, 23, of Conway, outside the Army Navy Career Center in Little Rock.
"This individual appears to have been upset with the military, the Army in particular, and that's why he did what he did," Little Rock Police Lt. Terry Hastings said.
"He has converted to (Islam) here in the past few years," Hastings said. "We're not completely clear on what he was upset about. He had never been in the military.
"He saw them standing there and drove up and shot them. That's what he said."
Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville was wounded in the shooting and in stable condition, Police Chief Stuart Thomas said.
The suspect, who is from Little Rock, was previously known as Carlos Bledsoe, Thomas said.
The soldiers wore fatigues, had recently completed basic training and volunteered to help attract others to the military, Thomas said.
He said the gunman targeted the military but was not believed to be part of a broader scheme.
****I Call BS on that*****
Interviews with police showed that Muhammad "probably had political and religious motives for the attack," the police chief said.
Thomas said Muhammad would be charged with first-degree murder, plus 15 counts of committing a terroristic act. He said those counts result from the gunfire occurring near other people.
Hastings said the attacker pulled up in a car outside the Army-Navy recruiting office around 10:30 a.m. and fired at the soldiers outside.
According to the Associated Press, the vehicle was stopped on Interstate 630 a short time later, and the suspect was taken into custody. Police found an assault rifle in the vehicle.
Jim Richardson, the manager at a drug store around the corner from the Army-Navy center, said people at the store didn't realize anything was amiss until they heard sirens outside.
"Nobody heard any gunshots," Richardson said.
Lt. Col. Thomas Artis of the Oklahoma City Recruiting Battalion, which oversees the Little Rock office, said the victims were not regular recruiters. He said they were serving two weeks in the Little Rock office.
As part of the Hometown Recruiting Assistance Program, the soldiers were sent to "talk to friends, folks in the local area. They can show the example, 'Here's where I was, and here is where I am,' " Artis said.
Artis said neither of the soldiers had been deployed for combat.
I say a firing squad........In short order...
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I say a firing squad........In short order...
Too quick, and he ain't no soldier. A simple hanging for his hate crime.
Oh wait, they're not calling it that, are they? ? ? ? ?
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The death penalty is allowed in Arkansas....can we hope that they try for it?
Seems premeditated to me!
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I can't help myself here, I feel very much like Peter Venkmann wanting to get the Gatekeeper (FQ13) and The Keymaster (Tab) together. Talk about TEOTWAWKI! ;D
Talk about timing, Ghostbusters in on right now on AMC. Commercials suck, but 20th Anniv of the movie apparently.
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I say Amen to the firing squad. But the calling BS on him acting "alone" is too hasty. The lone wolf idea of terrorism originated in the skinhead movement and shows up now in the violent anti-abortion movement like the Army of God. (Let me be clear that I am not taking political potshots here but being objective about tactics. Don't beleive me, read their material. If you think I'm politically biased, the Animal Liberation Front and Earth First adopted this tactic as well). The idea they came up with is that with modern intel and surveillance, organizing a group, even with a cell structure was too dangerous, you were just begging to be infiltrated or wiretapped. Instead, put forward a stream of extremist rhetoric, see who shows up and listens, and then provide vague ideas and hope for the best. Instead of an organization like Al Queada that pulled off 9-11 you will ideally get a bunch of Macveighs, or those idiots that burn SUV dealerships or housing developments. The feds are clueless because there is no there there. No leader, no organization doing anything overtly illegal, just people who cynically prey on the young, the dumb and the disenfranchised. I meant it when I compared the guy who shot the doctor and the guy who shot the soldiers. Same background, same MO of recruitment and the same straegy. Both useful idiots (like suicide bombers) to further someone elses political agenda. I want to be clear that is not in anyway intended to be a political post, its just an observation about what appears to be a new MO to terrorism.
FQ13
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, just people who cynically prey on the young, the dumb and the disenfranchised.
Watch the contradictions FQ, lone wolf Carlos Bledsoe going into prison, and now Mohammed coming out. He didn't get this at the AA meeting or Bible Study groups in prison. He was "converted".
That is plural for MORE OF THEM ARE OUT THERE. The PC police will say "lone wolf" to diffuse the masses into changing the channel and "keep the peace" amongst us lowly masses.
Al-Queada is a network of many. Wannabe's and amateur rookies, are following a cause, a purpose, or a sub group of scumbags that will not stop until they get a "hit". There are the virgins waiting for them....
Are 5 casualties a "minor event" at a synagogue? How about 1 or 2 at a Recruiting Center? How about 100 at a food court in a mall? Or 3000 in a major US city.
No one grows up to be a suicide bomber,....Oh that's right,.... the indoctrination of many Muslim fanatic sects DO.
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, just people who cynically prey on the young, the dumb and the disenfranchised.
Watch the contradictions FQ, lone wolf Carlos Bledsoe going into prison, and now Mohammed coming out. He didn't get this at the AA meeting or Bible Study groups in prison. He was "converted".
That is plural for MORE OF THEM ARE OUT THERE. The PC police will say "lone wolf" to diffuse the masses into changing the channel and "keep the peace" amongst us lowly masses.
Al-Queada is a network of many. Wannabe's and amateur rookies, are following a cause, a purpose, or a sub group of scumbags that will not stop until they get a "hit". There are the virgins waiting for them....
Are 5 casualties a "minor event" at a synagogue? How about 1 or 2 at a Recruiting Center? How about 100 at a food court in a mall? Or 3000 in a major US city.
No one grows up to be a suicide bomber,....Oh that's right,.... the indoctrination of many Muslim fanatic sects DO.
No contradiction at all, you've made my point. The "leaders" don't get their haands dirty because they don't lead. There is no organization. They merely indoctrinate, radicalize and suggest tactics. Its not just muslims, this works for any flavor of extremist, bringing jihad or saving bambi or stopping abortion , its still effective. We need to think hard about how to deal wth this because going after folks who speak politically incorrect things that might lead to incitement, could get folks like us, and Tom in particular, thrown in jail. At the same time, we can't fight yeasterdays wars and need to recognize whats going on.
FQ13
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FQ, I believe you are an intelligent, able debater. (Why else would you be here?) The skinheads were FAR from lone wolf. The Army of God is just that an Army.
There is no Lone Wolf. I was not hasty. The leaders that get a suicide bomber to blow up innocents at a cafe do not get their hands dirty. BUT DO INFLUENCE those that choose to FOLLOW the ideology.
"There is no power but in numbers." UBL.... Sure, he won't give us the luxury of strapping bombs to HIMSELF, he'll get the vulnerable and followers to do it for him. (In that we do agree). To indoctrinate and radicalize involves more than one.
Many have said that of the modern American Educational Institutions.
As far as yesterdays wars, how many terror attacks have occurred against the US, before Bush & Cheney? How many occurred on Slick Willy's watch. To them it makes NO DIFFERENCE. They Hate US.
Keyword: THEM & THEY
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As far as the baby killer goes. One of the church members said the man desecrated the church by the killing there. My thoughts are that Tiller desecrated it every time he stepped in the door. Besides the church is the body of believers. A church building is just that , a building. I'm shocked he had any function in the congregation. Actually I'm surprised someone didn't kill him sooner. As this country melts down under its current leaders we will see more and more of this type of violence. The radical muslims will continue to be empowered by our leaders as they integrate into our society and soon we will be like some European countries and bow down to their Sharia law. And the band plays on.
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FQ, I believe you are an intelligent, able debater. (Why else would you be here?) The skinheads were FAR from lone wolf. The Army of God is just that an Army.
There is no Lone Wolf. I was not hasty. The leaders that get a suicide bomber to blow up innocents at a cafe do not get their hands dirty. BUT DO INFLUENCE those that choose to FOLLOW the ideology.
"There is no power but in numbers." UBL.... Sure, he won't give us the luxury of strapping bombs to HIMSELF, he'll get the vulnerable and followers to do it for him. (In that we do agree). To indoctrinate and radicalize involves more than one.
Many have said that of the modern American Educational Institutions.
As far as yesterdays wars, how many terror attacks have occurred against the US, before Bush & Cheney? How many occurred on Slick Willy's watch. To them it makes NO DIFFERENCE. They Hate US.
Keyword: THEM & THEY
Thanks for the compliment on the debating skills, and I sincerly return it. The problem, is that I don't think we disagree. I just didn't make myself clear, and for that I apologize.You are correct there is a THEM and THEY (insert your own them and they) exist. They've just learned to stay semi-legal. Incitement, but no violence that can be tied to them. Thats the job of the idiots. The problem, particularly for Libertarians like me, is how do we address this without compromising our values? This isn't a rhetorical question either, its an existential one. As Lincoln said "We are a notational republic". We're not held toghther by race or religion or even shared history.We're held toghther by a set of shared values. When we set those aside, we start to pick at the very fiber of what this republic is. The enemy knows this. Bin Laden loves Gitmo. Because when we betray our promise of freedom, that city on the hill gets a little bit dimmer in the eyes of the world and in our own eyes as well. I have no no answer here, just a question.
FQ13
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As far as the baby killer goes. One of the church members said the man desecrated the church by the killing there. My thoughts are that Tiller desecrated it every time he stepped in the door. Besides the church is the body of believers. A church building is just that , a building. I'm shocked he had any function in the congregation. Actually I'm surprised someone didn't kill him sooner. As this country melts down under its current leaders we will see more and more of this type of violence. The radical muslims will continue to be empowered by our leaders as they integrate into our society and soon we will be like some European countries and bow down to their Sharia law. And the band plays on.
If you really believe what you just wrote, you're playing in the same band 2how. The only difference between you and a radical muslim is which book you use to justify murder. You and I must be reading different Bibles (I prefer the New Standard Revised) because you, my friend are drifting far from the shore.You're also getting damn close to lending aid and comfort to the enemy, and if you don't, can't or won't, understand that those domestic enemies can be people whose goals we agree with, but whose actions make them traitors, stop calling yourself an American. Declare allegiance to whatever principle you think trumps this nation's constitution and be honest about it.
FQ13 who will pray for you brother
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.We're held toghther by a set of shared values. When we set those aside, we start to pick at the very fiber of what this republic is.
Total agreement FQ.
It's unfortunate that our current foreign policy goes against the values we both have in common.
First rounds on me next time your down this way.
Happy Hurricane Season, started yesterday,.... ::)
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Thanks for the compliment on the debating skills, and I sincerly return it. The problem, is that I don't think we disagree. I just didn't make myself clear, and for that I apologize.You are correct there is a THEM and THEY (insert your own them and they) exist. They've just learned to stay semi-legal. Incitement, but no violence that can be tied to them. Thats the job of the idiots. The problem, particularly for Libertarians like me, is how do we address this without compromising our values? This isn't a rhetorical question either, its an existential one. As Lincoln said "We are a notational republic". We're not held toghther by race or religion or even shared history.We're held toghther by a set of shared values. When we set those aside, we start to pick at the very fiber of what this republic is. The enemy knows this. Bin Laden loves Gitmo. Because when we betray our promise of freedom, that city on the hill gets a little bit dimmer in the eyes of the world and in our own eyes as well. I have no no answer here, just a question.
FQ13
I just about fell out of my chair laughing about that one! You've outdone yourself with silliness at this point.
Shared values - and putting gays in teaching positions - celebrating a lifestyle that would have been absolutely abhorrent and repulsive to Lincoln BTW - and nominating a power-mad bitch like sotomajor for the SCOTUS, not to mention bamkrupting our grandchildren's futures - this is sharing values how?
Gitmo has proved to be very successful. It is only bho's stupidity at wanting to close it and bring the BGs here that is at fault. He now knows he cannot bring them in, but cannot renege on his promise to close Gitmo. The better solution was recently proposed - these wankers should never have seen the light of day. Take them, interrogate them, lose them, quietly and privately. Period.
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I just about fell out of my chair laughing about that one! You've outdone yourself with silliness at this point.
Shared values - and putting gays in teaching positions - celebrating a lifestyle that would have been absolutely abhorrent and repulsive to Lincoln BTW - and nominating a power-mad bitch like sotomajor for the SCOTUS, not to mention bamkrupting our grandchildren's futures - this is sharing values how?
Actually Path, there's a fairly large body of literature strongly supporting the idea the Honest Abe had a very close gentleman friend (though who could blame him when his wife was crazy and into the occult). As far as power mad justices,well you're overstating with zero refrences. Underqualified, yes. Disturbing in her rulings, yes. Chosen for two reasons, yes. Hope she's denied, yes. But lets just settle for the truth when its damning enough shall we? Why exagerate when you don't have to? Honestly Path the war isn't between America and Islam, its between republican government and religious extremists who want a theocracy (insert your favorite flavor of religion here). Which side are you on Path? You still haven't answered.
FQ13
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As far as the baby killer goes. One of the church members said the man desecrated the church by the killing there. My thoughts are that Tiller desecrated it every time he stepped in the door. Besides the church is the body of believers. A church building is just that , a building. I'm shocked he had any function in the congregation. Actually I'm surprised someone didn't kill him sooner. As this country melts down under its current leaders we will see more and more of this type of violence. The radical muslims will continue to be empowered by our leaders as they integrate into our society and soon we will be like some European countries and bow down to their Sharia law. And the band plays on.
Yup. It was already desecrated.
And I'm surprised, everyone is calling the shooter a Christian. Looks like a pretty big assumption to me. I can call myself a fire hydrant but that doesn't make me one. Someone here can call me a truck, but that doesn't make me a truck. Someone kills someone as a tenant of an unholy religion and 1/2 the nation wants to make excuses for them.
2 Thessalonians 2
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Strife comes from below, not above. If at every turn it appears that strife evolves among people you communicate with, time to check out just who it is you are listening to.
Lord knows I can't save anyone, but then not everyone will be saved and many will be given over and they who are given over obviously believe the lie. Only God can remove that delusion...oh wait...he wouldn't cause anyone to be deluded...that wouldn't fit the Christian model...would it.... Well, lots of people call themselves Christian and don't believe the Bible is true and the only word of God, how deceived is that...Christ said he's the only way and people who claim his namesake say they are a Christian when Christ himself said only believers can be Christians.
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Apparently, for some unknown reason, it seem America doesn't hold a favorable view of the Muslim world.
Gee, I wonder why that it is....oh, yeah now I remember, something to due with a couple of airplanes, the World Trade center, Pentagon, and a small field. not to mention the fact that since 2001 there have been at least 4700 terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.
But all that will stop as soon as our anointed President "talks' to them and they see the error of their ways..
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Apparently, for some unknown reason, it seem America doesn't hold a favorable view of the Muslim world.
Gee, I wonder why that it is....oh, yeah now I remember, something to due with a couple of airplanes, the World Trade center, Pentagon, and a small field. not to mention the fact that since 2001 there have been at least 4700 terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims.
But all that will stop as soon as our anointed President "talks' to them and they see the error of their ways..
Gee Mashal'ette, we love you to death here but c'mon...aren't you being just a bit harsh and way intolerant here? It's not all of the mooslims; it's but a minority. And all the mooslims really condemn the bad mooslims...I know I've read that in the paper right? You are really beginning to scare me. I think you may be succeptable to being a right winged extremist....but you can be redeemed if you drink the right kool aide.
Air France....what about Air France? Surely it was not a bomb, right? We all know it was weather.
All these people out here with tin foil hats ganging up on the poor peace loving mooslims. Why that is just plain ignorant, everyone knows it's a religion of peace.
OK, I've made my self nauseus. I don't, in my human mind, know how anyone can possibly believe the peace, love and harmony trash, except:
2 Thessalonians 2
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
How else could a free man do anything but condemn islam? What is good is bad, what is bad is good. Everything that we were founded on is bad and we as a nation erroneously worship a constitution that the authors recognized as a gift and tool of governance from God who is He who should be worshipped...and not the moolim god. What is true is a lie, what is a lie is true...how can that be now except for the truth in the scripture above?
A passage that has long been stripped from our text books, which no doubt someone here will say is a lie, is that after several weeks of absolutely no success whatsoever in the constitutional convention, Benjamen Franklin recognized that the efforts of all the men there had lead to no agreement. At which time he pointed out they had never come together and seeked God's guidance and the group then fell into prayer. Something wonderful, our Constitution, came from those men humbling themselves to God. Now all that is unholy claims that document, praises that document, and holds up their feigned loyalty to it while going about lying and destroying that document which sprang from men who cried out for, and received, God's wisdom.
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Muslim Demographics: Look at Europe's Muslim population, and how it's exploded, even here in the U.S.,
While only a "minority" of Muslim's are extremists, the plan for Muslim expansion is/will happen right in front of our face.
This is a great analytical study of what we are "peacefully" facing. Makes you go Hmmmmmm. Oh S***! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
Fertility rates for many countries are falling, EXCEPT for guess which group? Don;t have to be violent to have more mosques than churches.
It's already happening in Europe.
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Gee Mashal'ette, we love you to death here but c'mon...aren't you being just a bit harsh and way intolerant here? It's not all of the mooslims; it's but a minority. And all the mooslims really condemn the bad mooslims...I know I've read that in the paper right?
So I guess this means you'll be condemning the guy who killed Dr. Tiller right? As a Christian, but most importantly as an American I do. How about you? Or is it just the muslims who should be blamed (rightly) for failing to condemn their terrorists? If we want them to do it we need to be willing to do the same, cause you quote Thessalonians a lot, but I vaguley recall some words about hypocrites in Matthew. The one thing you've said that I agree with is pointing out Franklin's (a Quaker by the way) insistence on invoking God to focus the minds of the delegates as to the solemnity of their task. What I don't get is how you then condemn those of us who invoke these men and that document to say that it must rise above sectarian concerns. Whats it to be Rastus, a republic or a theocracy?
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Muslim Demographics: Look at Europe's Muslim population, and how it's exploded, even here in the U.S.,
While only a "minority" of Muslim's are extremists, the plan for Muslim expansion is/will happen right in front of our face.
This is a great analytical study of what we are "peacefully" facing. Makes you go Hmmmmmm. Oh S***! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
Fertility rates for many countries are falling, EXCEPT for guess which group? Don;t have to be violent to have more mosques than churches.
It's already happening in Europe.
The one good thing you can say about European immigration policy is that it makes ours look sane. They are simply importing trouble and everyone knows it but won't speak up. I am all in favor of tolerance, inclusion and even multi-culturalism to a limited point (hell we're both from South Florida). BUT any immigration policy that does not have cultural and linguistic assimilation as a central principle is simply national cultural suicide. We're doing it by default as a result of geography. The Europeans though, are apparently doing by design. It boggles the mind.
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So I guess this means you'll be condemning the guy who killed Dr. Tiller right? As a Christian, but most importantly as an American I do. How about you? Or is it just the muslims who should be blamed (rightly) for failing to condemn their terrorists? If we want them to do it we need to be willing to do the same, cause you quote Thessalonians a lot, but I vaguley recall some words about hypocrites in Matthew. The one thing you've said that I agree with is pointing out Franklin's (a Quaker by the way) insistence on invoking God to focus the minds of the delegates as to the solemnity of their task. What I don't get is how you then condemn those of us who invoke these men and that document to say that it must rise above sectarian concerns. Whats it to be Rastus, a republic or a theocracy?
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This is a load of crap, the results of governance with out moral standards are all around us. Even the raghead countries are ahead of us on that score. Their principles may be fu#@ed up, but they stick to them. None of this "relativist" crap for Iran.
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This is a load of crap, the results of governance with out moral standards are all around us. Even the raghead countries are ahead of us on that score. Their principles may be fu#@ed up, but they stick to them. None of this "relativist" crap for Iran.
And yet you still live in New Hampshire..........
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