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Little Rock police inspect the scene of a shooting outside a military recruitment office that left one soldier dead and another hurt Monday.
By William M. Welch, USA TODAY

A Muslim convert who said he was opposed to the U.S. military shot two soldiers outside an Arkansas recruiting station, killing one, police said Monday.
"This individual appears to have been upset with the military, the Army in particular, and that's why he did what he did," Little Rock Police Lt. Terry Hastings said.

"He has converted to (Islam) here in the past few years," Hastings said. "We're not completely clear on what he was upset about. He had never been in the military.

"He saw them standing there and drove up and shot them. That's what he said."

Police Chief Stuart Thomas said Pvt. William Long, 23, of Conway was killed. Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville was wounded and in stable condition, Thomas said.

Police arrested Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad, 23, of Little Rock, Thomas said. The suspect was previously known as Carlos Bledsoe, he said.

 

[fightingquaker13]

Lovely. Let me guess, he used an "assault weapon" too. Yet another homegrown religious fanatic terrorist, just like the guy who shot an abortion provider in his church, no less. Sunday, it was desecrating the church, today, its desecrating the flag. Religious extremist terrorists, of whatever flavor, have no loyalty to country, any recognizable God or common decency. And guess who gets the blame? Law abiding gun owners. I was going to go to evening prayer today anyway. I'll light a candle for those two soldiers and pray that these idiots someday understand that God wasn't kidding about that whole Thou shalt not do murder thing. God help us all.
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[Pathfinder]

Lovely. Let me guess, he used an "assault weapon" too. Yet another homegrown religious fanatic terrorist, just like the guy who shot an abortion provider in his church, no less. Sunday, it was desecrating the church, today, its desecrating the flag. Religious extremist terrorists, of whatever flavor, have no loyalty to country, any recognizable God or common decency. And guess who gets the blame? Law abiding gun owners. I was going to go to evening prayer today anyway. I'll light a candle for those two soldiers and pray that these idiots someday understand that God wasn't kidding about that whole Thou shalt not do murder thing. God help us all.
FQ13

The guy in Arkansas was a terrorist wannabe - the FBI was investigating him for going to Yemen on a Somali passport.

As for the guy who killed the abortionist (not an "abortion provider" as you so quaintly described him) perhaps thought he was following Jesus' example. Jesus was not against violence. In the Garden, he admonished Peter to put his sword away, not because he was a kumbaya-singing pacifist, but because what was happening was ordained.

He also fashioned ropes into a whip and physically beat people and drove them out of the Temple. Why? Because they were committing evil in the house of his Father.

FQ, if you actually read the Bible you purport to know, you would know this, and know that we are instructed to confront evil where it exists. A southern black man who recently converted to Islam and killed 2 soldiers volunteering at a recruiting station is not confronting evil. It is murder.

Killing a man who is personally responsible for the murders of thousands of unborn children may in fact be justified in some sense. Reminds me of the etics question - if you had full knowledge of world events since 1900 as we have experienced them, and you had the opportunity to kill Hitler and get away with it in 1930 - would you?

I will not judge the shooter, I will leave that in the hands of the Lord.

And yes, the anti's will use these, as well as all other shootings - against us. Be prepared, be vigilant, be ready to respond to protect your rights. What part of "We're in a fight" don't you get? To quote Bruce Lee, "A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard."

[fightingquaker13]

The guy in Arkansas was a terrorist wannabe - the FBI was investigating him for going to Yemen on a Somali passport.

As for the guy who killed the abortionist (not an "abortion provider" as you so quaintly described him) perhaps thought he was following Jesus' example. Jesus was not against violence. In the Garden, he admonished Peter to put his sword away, not because he was a kumbaya-singing pacifist, but because what was happening was ordained.

He also fashioned ropes into a whip and physically beat people and drove them out of the Temple. Why? Because they were committing evil in the house of his Father.

FQ, if you actually read the Bible you purport to know, you would know this, and know that we are instructed to confront evil where it exists. A southern black man who recently converted to Islam and killed 2 soldiers volunteering at a recruiting station is not confronting evil. It is murder.

Killing a man who is personally responsible for the murders of thousands of unborn children may in fact be justified in some sense. Reminds me of the etics question - if you had full knowledge of world events since 1900 as we have experienced them, and you had the opportunity to kill Hitler and get away with it in 1930 - would you?

I will not judge the shooter, I will leave that in the hands of the Lord.

And yes, the anti's will use these, as well as all other shootings - against us. Be prepared, be vigilant, be ready to respond to protect your rights. What part of "We're in a fight" don't you get? To quote Bruce Lee, "A fight is not won by one punch or kick. Either learn to endure or hire a bodyguard."

What part of we are American citizens don't you get Pathfinder? Somebody who thinks that because God is whispering in his ear that killing folks is ok, is an enemy of every principle that this Republic was founded on. I don't care if you're Christian, Muslim, Jewish or a Scientologist, thats just not how we do business here. Thats how things work in Somalia or Afghanistan, not the USA. The guy who killed the abortion doctor thought he was a murderer. The guy who killed those soldiers thought they were oppressing muslims. Guess what, I don't give  a f..k (sorry M'lette but sometimes the word is called for), we are a democratic republic based on laws grounded in our constitution. Last I checked, joining the army and performing abortions were both legal. If you don't like the law then change it, its been done before, peacefully and on the big issues to. You don't get the right to decide who lives or dies based on your own philosophy. If you excuse the "christian" terrorist, you are no better than the guys who support Ben Laden, because they both hate our country, our constitution and the rule of law. To quote W. (which I am loathe to do, but when you're right, you're right) You're either with us or against in the war against terrorism. Choose your side Pathfinder. Me, I took an oath when I was 18. Its been a long damn time since I offered a salute or wore a uniform, but I understood that that oath was for life. I know what side I'm on. How about you? To sow political terror on American soil while the Constitution is still in place is to spit on everything this country stands for.
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PS I apologize if that came off a little harsher than I intended Geoff. Its just that I get sick and tired of the religious right working themselves into spasms of outrage against murdering muslim terrorists, and then when a "christian" terrorist goes and does the same thing......crickets.

[tombogan03884]

Your post underlines your ignorance. You call yourself an "Educator" and yet you perpetuate the myth that this is a democracy, it's not, it's a Republic, there is a difference. Look it up.
As for "That's not how we do business here" you seem to be overlooking a few historical details, like the pre and post revolutionary terror campaign waged against Tories, and the violence before and after the Civil war. Judging by the way the country is headed I would say that their are a lot of people who need to be shot or hung. I'm not talking about abortion doctors, or terrorist wannabe's but the treasonous bastards who make their conduct possible.

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[fightingquaker13]

Your post underlines your ignorance. You call yourself an "Educator" and yet you perpetuate the myth that this is a democracy, it's not, it's a Republic, there is a difference. Look it up.
As for "That's not how we do business here" you seem to be overlooking a few historical details, like the pre and post revolutionary terror campaign waged against Tories, and the violence before and after the Civil war. Judging by the way the country is headed I would say that their are a lot of people who need to be shot or hung. I'm not talking about abortion doctors, or terrorist wannabe's but the treasonous bastards who make their conduct possible.

With all due respect Tom,you make two points, unfortunately, both are wrong.
As far as the democracy vs republic issue, I am well aware of the distinction. I am also aware that we are a hybrid of the the two. The Constitution specified that only the House be directly (democratically) elected. However while the president and senate were indirectly elected, they were both chosen by electd officials, the electoral college (chosen by the state leg) and the state legislatures respectively. Hence the term democratic republic.
As far as terrorism not "being how we do business here" I did misspeak and stand corrected. I, however just took it for granted that the post-revolutionary purges of Tories and the KKKs(version 1.0 and not to be confused with todays Klan) reign of terror were not things to be proud of or emulated. I should have said "its not how we SHOULD do business here". If you disagree, and think that the rule of law should be overturned by which ever mob is the strongest at the moment, that is your perogative. Me, I am a libertarian, not an anarchist, and I find the law of the jungle a bit distasteful, but to each their own.
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[tombogan03884]

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of John Brown and the "Beecher's Bibles". You convieniently forget that not ALL the violence was in the name of repression.

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It is a shame that this happened. May God be with their families and comfort them. Isn't it ironic how there was a pole on CNN and the majority do not trust nor like muslims? And Obama wants to smooth things over with these religious fanatics? They wander about damaged relations when the muslim world is responsible for the cause of the hostilities.

There are some lyrics from a punk band called Suicidal Tendencies that say, "The greatest weapon of the fascist is the tolerance of the pacifist.". The United States turning their cheek on the attacks of the muslim fanatics is just opening us up for a strike on the other cheek. Just my two cents.

[fightingquaker13]

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of John Brown and the "Beecher's Bibles". You convieniently forget that not ALL the violence was in the name of repression.

You are correct sir, but again you prove my point. The Beecher bilbles were sent to help Free Soil Kansas farmers against the incursions of the pro-slavery factions from Mo. But the fact is, that both sides gave in to the calls of extremist rhetoric and rejected the legitimacy of the democratic process and the law. They took the law into their own hands by resorting to violence against their fellow citizens, motivated by passion and self interest. These were the two things the founders warned us against over and over again in the Federalist Papers and in every line of the Constitution. They ignored this and helped plunge this nation into its bloodiest war. The republic was damn near destroyed and 500,000 Americans (and thats only counting combatants) died, not due to an external foe, but because we settled political differences with the gun, rather than through the machinery the founders bequethed us. This Tom, is why I draw no distiction between a muslim terrorist and a "christian" one. We've seen this movie before, and if I wasn't smart enough to get the hint from Madison, Hamilton and Washington, I kind of got the message walking through some Civil War battlefeilds.
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[tombogan03884]

Let them hate, so long as they fear.