Love, Tolerance, Peace & Harmony

[fightingquaker13]

I say Amen to the firing squad. But the calling BS on him acting "alone" is too hasty. The lone wolf idea of terrorism originated in the skinhead movement and shows up now in the violent anti-abortion movement like the Army of God. (Let me be clear that I am not taking political potshots here but being objective about tactics. Don't beleive me, read their material. If you think I'm politically biased, the Animal Liberation Front and Earth First adopted this tactic as well). The idea they came up with is that with modern intel and surveillance, organizing a group, even with a cell structure was too dangerous, you were just begging to be infiltrated or wiretapped. Instead, put forward a stream of extremist rhetoric, see who shows up and listens, and then provide vague ideas and hope for the best. Instead of an organization like Al Queada that pulled off 9-11 you will ideally get a bunch of Macveighs, or those idiots that burn SUV dealerships or housing developments. The feds are clueless because there is no there there. No leader, no organization doing anything overtly illegal, just people who cynically prey on the young, the dumb and the disenfranchised. I meant it when I compared the guy who shot the doctor and the guy who shot the soldiers. Same background, same MO of recruitment and the same straegy. Both useful idiots (like suicide bombers) to further someone elses political agenda. I want to be clear that is not in anyway intended to be a political post, its just an observation about what appears to be a new MO to terrorism.
FQ13  

[twyacht]

, just people who cynically prey on the young, the dumb and the disenfranchised.

Watch the contradictions FQ, lone wolf Carlos Bledsoe going into prison, and now Mohammed coming out. He didn't get this at the AA meeting or Bible Study groups in prison. He was "converted".

That is plural for MORE OF THEM ARE OUT THERE. The PC police will say "lone wolf" to diffuse the masses into changing the channel and "keep the peace" amongst us lowly masses.

Al-Queada is a network of many. Wannabe's and amateur rookies, are following a cause, a purpose, or a sub group of scumbags that will not stop until they get a "hit". There are the virgins waiting for them....

Are 5 casualties a "minor event" at a synagogue? How about 1 or 2 at a Recruiting Center? How about 100 at a food court in a mall? Or 3000 in a major US city.

No one grows up to be a suicide bomber,....Oh that's right,.... the indoctrination of many Muslim fanatic sects DO.

[fightingquaker13]

, just people who cynically prey on the young, the dumb and the disenfranchised.

Watch the contradictions FQ, lone wolf Carlos Bledsoe going into prison, and now Mohammed coming out. He didn't get this at the AA meeting or Bible Study groups in prison. He was "converted".

That is plural for MORE OF THEM ARE OUT THERE. The PC police will say "lone wolf" to diffuse the masses into changing the channel and "keep the peace" amongst us lowly masses.

Al-Queada is a network of many. Wannabe's and amateur rookies, are following a cause, a purpose, or a sub group of scumbags that will not stop until they get a "hit". There are the virgins waiting for them....

Are 5 casualties a "minor event" at a synagogue? How about 1 or 2 at a Recruiting Center? How about 100 at a food court in a mall? Or 3000 in a major US city.

No one grows up to be a suicide bomber,....Oh that's right,.... the indoctrination of many Muslim fanatic sects DO.

No contradiction at all, you've made my point. The "leaders" don't get their haands dirty because they don't lead. There is no organization. They merely indoctrinate, radicalize and suggest tactics. Its not just muslims, this works for any flavor of extremist, bringing jihad or saving bambi or stopping abortion , its still effective. We need to think hard about how to deal wth this because going after folks who speak politically incorrect things that might lead to incitement, could get folks like us, and Tom in particular, thrown in jail. At the same time, we can't fight yeasterdays wars and need to recognize whats going on.
FQ13

[twyacht]

FQ, I believe you are an intelligent, able debater. (Why else would you be here?) The skinheads were FAR from lone wolf.  The Army of God is just that an Army.

There is no Lone Wolf. I was not hasty. The leaders that get a suicide bomber to blow up innocents at a cafe do not get their hands dirty. BUT DO INFLUENCE those that choose to FOLLOW the ideology.

"There is no power but in numbers." UBL.... Sure, he won't give us the luxury of strapping bombs to HIMSELF, he'll get the vulnerable and followers to do it for him. (In that we do agree).  To indoctrinate and radicalize involves more than one.

Many have said that of the modern American Educational Institutions. 

As far as yesterdays wars, how many terror attacks have occurred against the US, before Bush & Cheney? How many occurred on Slick Willy's watch. To them it makes NO DIFFERENCE.  They Hate US.

Keyword: THEM & THEY

[2HOW]

As far as the baby killer goes. One of the church members said the man desecrated the church by the killing there. My thoughts are that Tiller desecrated it every time he stepped in the door. Besides the church is the body of believers. A church building is just that , a building. I'm shocked he had any function in the congregation. Actually I'm surprised someone didn't kill him sooner. As this country melts down under its current leaders we will see more and more of this type of violence. The radical muslims will continue to be empowered by our leaders as they integrate into our society and soon we will be like some European countries and bow down to their Sharia law. And the band plays on.

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[fightingquaker13]

FQ, I believe you are an intelligent, able debater. (Why else would you be here?) The skinheads were FAR from lone wolf.  The Army of God is just that an Army.

There is no Lone Wolf. I was not hasty. The leaders that get a suicide bomber to blow up innocents at a cafe do not get their hands dirty. BUT DO INFLUENCE those that choose to FOLLOW the ideology.

"There is no power but in numbers." UBL.... Sure, he won't give us the luxury of strapping bombs to HIMSELF, he'll get the vulnerable and followers to do it for him. (In that we do agree).  To indoctrinate and radicalize involves more than one.

Many have said that of the modern American Educational Institutions. 

As far as yesterdays wars, how many terror attacks have occurred against the US, before Bush & Cheney? How many occurred on Slick Willy's watch. To them it makes NO DIFFERENCE.  They Hate US.

Keyword: THEM & THEY

Thanks for the compliment on the debating skills, and I sincerly return it. The problem, is that I don't think we disagree. I just didn't make myself clear, and for that I apologize.You are correct there is a THEM and THEY (insert your own them and they) exist. They've just learned to stay semi-legal. Incitement, but no violence that can be tied to them. Thats the job of the idiots. The problem, particularly for Libertarians like me, is how do we address this without compromising our values? This isn't a rhetorical question either, its an existential one. As Lincoln said "We are a notational republic". We're not held toghther by race or religion or even shared history.We're held toghther by a set of shared values. When we set those aside, we start to pick at the very fiber of what this republic is. The enemy knows this. Bin Laden loves Gitmo. Because when we betray our promise of freedom, that city on the hill gets a little bit dimmer in the eyes of the world and in our own eyes as well. I have no no answer here, just a question.
FQ13

[fightingquaker13]

As far as the baby killer goes. One of the church members said the man desecrated the church by the killing there. My thoughts are that Tiller desecrated it every time he stepped in the door. Besides the church is the body of believers. A church building is just that , a building. I'm shocked he had any function in the congregation. Actually I'm surprised someone didn't kill him sooner. As this country melts down under its current leaders we will see more and more of this type of violence. The radical muslims will continue to be empowered by our leaders as they integrate into our society and soon we will be like some European countries and bow down to their Sharia law. And the band plays on.

If you really believe what you just wrote, you're playing in the same band 2how. The only difference between you and a radical muslim is which book you use to justify murder. You and I must be reading different Bibles (I prefer the New Standard Revised) because you, my friend are drifting far from the shore.You're also getting damn close to lending aid and comfort to the enemy, and if you don't, can't or won't, understand that those domestic enemies can be people whose goals we agree with, but whose actions make them traitors, stop calling yourself an American. Declare allegiance to whatever principle you think trumps this nation's constitution and be honest about it.
FQ13 who will pray for you brother

[twyacht]

.We're held toghther by a set of shared values. When we set those aside, we start to pick at the very fiber of what this republic is.

Total agreement FQ.

It's unfortunate that our current foreign policy goes against the values we both have in common.

First rounds on me next time your down this way.

Happy Hurricane Season, started yesterday,....

[Pathfinder]

Thanks for the compliment on the debating skills, and I sincerly return it. The problem, is that I don't think we disagree. I just didn't make myself clear, and for that I apologize.You are correct there is a THEM and THEY (insert your own them and they) exist. They've just learned to stay semi-legal. Incitement, but no violence that can be tied to them. Thats the job of the idiots. The problem, particularly for Libertarians like me, is how do we address this without compromising our values? This isn't a rhetorical question either, its an existential one. As Lincoln said "We are a notational republic". We're not held toghther by race or religion or even shared history.We're held toghther by a set of shared values. When we set those aside, we start to pick at the very fiber of what this republic is. The enemy knows this. Bin Laden loves Gitmo. Because when we betray our promise of freedom, that city on the hill gets a little bit dimmer in the eyes of the world and in our own eyes as well. I have no no answer here, just a question.
FQ13

I just about fell out of my chair laughing about that one! You've outdone yourself with silliness at this point.

Shared values - and putting gays in teaching positions - celebrating a lifestyle that would have been absolutely abhorrent and repulsive to Lincoln BTW - and nominating a power-mad bitch like sotomajor for the SCOTUS, not to mention bamkrupting our grandchildren's futures - this is sharing values how?

Gitmo has proved to be very successful. It is only bho's stupidity at wanting to close it and bring the BGs here that is at fault. He now knows he cannot bring them in, but cannot renege on his promise to close Gitmo. The better solution was recently proposed - these wankers should never have seen the light of day. Take them, interrogate them, lose them, quietly and privately. Period.

[fightingquaker13]

I just about fell out of my chair laughing about that one! You've outdone yourself with silliness at this point.

Shared values - and putting gays in teaching positions - celebrating a lifestyle that would have been absolutely abhorrent and repulsive to Lincoln BTW - and nominating a power-mad bitch like sotomajor for the SCOTUS, not to mention bamkrupting our grandchildren's futures - this is sharing values how?

Actually Path, there's a fairly large body of literature strongly supporting the idea the Honest Abe had a very close gentleman friend (though who could blame him when his wife was crazy and into the occult). As far as power mad justices,well you're overstating with zero refrences. Underqualified, yes. Disturbing in her rulings, yes. Chosen for two reasons, yes. Hope she's denied, yes. But lets just settle for the truth when its damning enough shall we? Why exagerate when you don't have to? Honestly Path the war isn't between America and Islam, its between republican government and religious extremists who want a theocracy (insert your favorite flavor of religion here). Which side are you on Path? You still haven't answered.
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