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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Hazcat on June 03, 2009, 06:21:52 AM
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NEW ORLEANS (AP) - New Orleans is once again the nation's murder capital after briefly losing the title.
Fresh FBI statistics show that with 64 killings per 100,000 people in 2008, New Orleans had the highest per capita murder rate in the nation, well ahead of second-place St. Louis, which had 47 murders per 100,000 people.
Baton Rouge, which gained population after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, came in No. 7 with 30 murders per 100,000.
The FBI's report bases its per capita number on a New Orleans population of 281,440 for July 1, 2008. The Greater New Orleans Community Data Center put the city's population for the first half of 2008 at 324,357. But even using the higher estimate, the city recorded 55 murders per 100,000 to still lead the nation.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98IN8L02&show_article=1
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Surprise, surprise. The fruits of socialistic rights and handouts.
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Or, maybe just lots of poor folks with no jobs. The saying idle hands are the devil's workshop is a classic for a reason. All the statistics about crime (and I've studied them professionally) tend to be fuzzy. Is it it race, access to guns, education, region, the presence or absence of the death penalty, its all more or less a wash. The one variable that is clear though, is that more jobs equals less crime. Some folks choose to be criminals, most drift into crime, step by step. Give them a decent job and that won't happen. I'm not a fan of government influenceing the economy, like bailing out wallstreet, but, if we are going to pass a stimulus package is seems that it should focus on uniting idle hands with useful work.
FQ13
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Sorry,
If I can't say more guns = less crime, you can't say poverty = more crime.
According to a 2007 census (compiled 2008) New Orleans isn't even in the ten lowest income counties or cities.
http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/acs-09.pdf
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Or, maybe just lots of poor folks with no jobs. The saying idle hands are the devil's workshop is a classic for a reason. All the statistics about crime (and I've studied them professionally) tend to be fuzzy. Is it it race, access to guns, education, region, the presence or absence of the death penalty, its all more or less a wash. The one variable that is clear though, is that more jobs equals less crime. Some folks choose to be criminals, most drift into crime, step by step. Give them a decent job and that won't happen. I'm not a fan of government influenceing the economy, like bailing out wallstreet, but, if we are going to pass a stimulus package is seems that it should focus on uniting idle hands with useful work.
FQ13
The lack of guns. Thats the problem!!!
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Well, the Saints and the Hornets suck, so I guess the natives had to rely upon themselves to be ranked numero uno at something. Through hard work and perseverance, the thugs and gangbangers of New Orleans assured this honor was bestowed upon their lovely city. Congratulations! ::)
Swoop
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Or, maybe just lots of poor folks with no jobs. The saying idle hands are the devil's workshop is a classic for a reason. All the statistics about crime (and I've studied them professionally) tend to be fuzzy. Is it it race, access to guns, education, region, the presence or absence of the death penalty, its all more or less a wash. The one variable that is clear though, is that more jobs equals less crime. Some folks choose to be criminals, most drift into crime, step by step. Give them a decent job and that won't happen. I'm not a fan of government influenceing the economy, like bailing out wallstreet, but, if we are going to pass a stimulus package is seems that it should focus on uniting idle hands with useful work.
FQ13
How about they go earn it?
With all of the rebuilding in NO, there is undoubtedly no shortage of jobs, although personally I do not know the NO jobs situation. Hell, even here in Fargo with layoffs at some companies, there are jobs being advertised. At some point, you need to stop being part of the cycle (or stop being lazy - crime is easier than a 9 to 5) and take a job - even if it is "beneath" you.
More guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens == less crime. John Lott studied it, found it, and it has proven true across the country.
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How about they go earn it?
With all of the rebuilding in NO, there is undoubtedly no shortage of jobs, although personally I do not know the NO jobs situation. Hell, even here in Fargo with layoffs at some companies, there are jobs being advertised. At some point, you need to stop being part of the cycle (or stop being lazy - crime is easier than a 9 to 5) and take a job - even if it is "beneath" you.
More guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens == less crime. John Lott studied it, found it, and it has proven true across the country.
I one hundred percent agree. I am all in favor of more guns and more jobs. Like you I am hazy about NO specifics, but one thing that did strike me is that the federal contractors doining rebuilding work rebuffed Mayor Nagins request to give a plus factor to NO residents and were hiring "legal" Mexican immigrants instead. This started under W and has continued under BO.
FQ13 (Do I get to say say click or reference the frog thing,or am I too liberal)? ;D
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Or, maybe just lots of poor folks with no jobs. The saying idle hands are the devil's workshop is a classic for a reason. All the statistics about crime (and I've studied them professionally) tend to be fuzzy. Is it it race, access to guns, education, region, the presence or absence of the death penalty, its all more or less a wash. The one variable that is clear though, is that more jobs equals less crime. Some folks choose to be criminals, most drift into crime, step by step. Give them a decent job and that won't happen. I'm not a fan of government influenceing the economy, like bailing out wallstreet, but, if we are going to pass a stimulus package is seems that it should focus on uniting idle hands with useful work.
FQ13
Criminals who use joblessness as a blanket excuse for their actions are full of crap......it's just a lame-assed excuse for plain old doing wrong.
What about the 100's of thousands of folks that are out of work that DON'T choose to break the law?
I understand, and somewhat agree, that certain living conditions can lead some types of people down a criminal path, but it's still a choice.
A criminal is a criminal whether he's employed or not.
A man that will steal a million dollars, will steal fifty cents.
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Criminals who use joblessness as a blanket excuse for their actions are full of crap......it's just a lame-assed excuse for plain old doing wrong.
What about the 100's of thousands of folks that are out of work that DON'T choose to break the law?
I understand, and somewhat agree, that certain living conditions can lead some types of people down a criminal path, but it's still a choice.
A criminal is a criminal whether he's employed or not.
A man that will steal a million dollars, will steal fifty cents.
I don'think Madoff ever stole less than a buck fifty. :P
FQ13
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The lack of guns. Thats the problem!!!
No, actually La. has fairly reasonable gun laws, the problem is that you have a city of people to dumb to live above the water level, mostly living on Govt handouts and crime because they are to lazy to work even to keep from being flooded out, they preferred to steal from the local stores, and this collection of "citizens" is also saddled with the most corrupt Police Dept. in the nation, (they say the biggest gang in NO wears badges )
Ray Nogun got his "Chocolate City" and lo and behold it takes on the character of a 3rd world country.
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As liberal as NO is, it should be a nirvana, just like Detroit right? No poverty, no homeless, very little crime, just a great city.
George Carlin had a great skit on the city of NO and hurricane rules:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_hurricane_rules.htm
and of course, the most important one: people in NO, and even our POTUS have looooong forgotten:
#7. The government isn't responsible for giving you anything. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave, but you gotta work for what you want. McDonalds and Wal-Mart are always hiring, get a damn job and stop spooning off the people who are actually working for a living. President Kennedy said it best..."Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
Maybe William Jefferson D-La, the one with the cool cash in his freezer, could pull some out and contribute.
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The reason Hispanics were hired for the jobs was becuase no one in NO was applying for them, tose lazy leeces were perfectly comfy in their free FEMA trailers.
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I was there before and after katrina... the only diffrence, it smelled better afterwards.
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FBI doesn't make it easy. There pretty spread sheet only has raw numbers not per-capita. And it's all laid out so neat it's not easy to re-sort. When I get a moment I'll regurgitate it for them.
And where was Washington DC? Is it less than 100k population?
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So here's you top 25 in descending order by murder/100,000 residents. [Washington DC not included]
64 LOUISIANA NEW ORLEANS
47 MISSOURI ST. LOUIS
37 MARYLAND BALTIMORE
36 MISSISSIPPI JACKSON
36 ALABAMA BIRMINGHAM
34 MICHIGAN DETROIT
30 LOUISIANA BATON ROUGE
29 CALIFORNIA OAKLAND
28 MICHIGAN FLINT
27 CALIFORNIA RICHMOND
25 MISSOURI KANSAS CITY
25 CONNECTICUT HARTFORD
24 OHIO DAYTON
24 NEW JERSEY NEWARK
24 OHIO CLEVELAND
23 PENNSYLVANIA PITTSBURGH
23 PENNSYLVANIA PHILADELPHIA
22 OHIO CINCINNATI
21 ARKANSAS LITTLE ROCK
20 NEW YORK ROCHESTER
20 TENNESSEE MEMPHIS
20 GEORGIA ATLANTA
19 FLORIDA MIAMI GARDENS5
18 FLORIDA ORLANDO
18 ILLINOIS CHICAGO
And here's your bottom 25 [zero doesn't mean zero murders only that the rate/100,000 was less than 0.5]
1 TEXAS LEWISVILLE
1 CALIFORNIA MURRIETA
1 COLORADO ARVADA
1 CALIFORNIA COSTA MESA
1 UTAH PROVO
1 CALIFORNIA ORANGE
1 COLORADO LAKEWOOD
1 KANSAS OVERLAND PARK
0 IDAHO BOISE
0 CALIFORNIA IRVINE
0 NEW YORK AMHERST TOWN
0 MICHIGAN ANN ARBOR
0 WASHINGTON BELLEVUE
0 CALIFORNIA ELK GROVE
0 ARIZONA GILBERT
0 CALIFORNIA ROSEVILLE
0 TEXAS ROUND ROCK
0 ARIZONA SURPRISE
0 WASHINGTON VANCOUVER
0 UTAH WEST JORDAN
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elkgrove is not to far from me, 90k people, they have had 18 murders since jan1...
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are we forgetting Katrina? when the N.O. fuzz took guns away from the citizens? less guns.... also, I work with a guy from the area, he didn't return because he liked it elsewhere. safer, less hoodlums, gangs, you know, Texas... ;D
and jobs in N.O.? a butt load of construction. some neighbors (from when I lived in Texas) haven't returned to Texas because of all the work. DUH!!!!
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0 TEXAS ROUND ROCK
;D my old home!!! ;D
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I worked retail when the hurricane hit, they were asking for volunteers to go work our stores in New Orleans and the other areas because they couldn't find anyone there that wanted to work.
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;D my old home!!! ;D
That's where your boy's at right now. I'm pretty sure San Antone should be on that top list though, Austin's getting worse too. Big night club shooting last week. Guess who done it? Alot of the hurricane folks are settling down here in the Austin area, and bringing their Louisiana ways with them.
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That's where your boy's at right now. I'm pretty sure San Antone should be on that top list though, Austin's getting worse too. Big night club shooting last week. Guess who done it? Alot of the hurricane folks are settling down here in the Austin area, and bringing their Louisiana ways with them.
Thats too bad When I was there the only thing you had to worry about was greasy enciladas or strapping the beer goggles on too tight at Antones around last call. I swear, I had a CPL and never once carried on my person, just didn't feel the need. San Antonio and Houston were very different stories.
FQ13
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I grew up 45 miles outside of New Orlean and acquired a graduate engineering degree from Tulane University whilst living in New Orleans. I spent a week there at my folks starting Tuesday night after Katrina and I did chase gangsta's from my folk's home. People from the Great Society established in New Orleans are owed and want someone to come wipe their nose for them...across into Mississippi, which was harder hit, the people got to work and they have been good to go. In Plaquemines Parish, adjacent and south of Orleans, the lack of welfare state made a much harder hit parish recover almost instantly on a scale compared to New Orleans. The demographic difference between Plaquemines Parish and Mississippi as compared to New Orleans....the lack of welfare state.
How about they go earn it?
With all of the rebuilding in NO, there is undoubtedly no shortage of jobs, although personally I do not know the NO jobs situation. .............
Lots of money still flowing in, though it the end is near.
As liberal as NO is, it should be a nirvana, just like Detroit right? No poverty, no homeless, very little crime, just a great city.
.....Maybe William Jefferson D-La, the one with the cool cash in his freezer, could pull some out and contribute.
You would think, provided you were naive to believe liberal nonsense. You bring a certain type of undeniable clarity to the discussion.
....and jobs in N.O.? a butt load of construction. some neighbors (from when I lived in Texas) haven't returned to Texas because of all the work. DUH!!!!
Still, but many of the people in New Orleans (welfare recipients) don't want to work; they have refused to work. They are welfare society people, they are owed and by golly you better give it to them. Immediately after Katrina they were paying $12/hour for McDonald's, Wendy's, etc...with $1000 to $2000 sign on bonuses and many of the residents would not take the jobs. They are, quite simply, too good for labor jobs...just ask them yourself.
The reason Hispanics were hired for the jobs was because no one in NO was applying for them, .........
Not entirely true, they applied, but then walked off when they found out they either, would not be running the show or would have to work to get paid.
I was there before and after katrina... the only diffrence, it smelled better afterwards.
You are definitely right on that. It smelled like sewage when I used to drive in every morning. I came in, generally, on I-10 from the West and about a mile from the Loyola Exit, still in the cypress swamp, the stench of the city would overpower the swamp. Some of it has to do with the fact that you have a lot fewer people urinating and defecating outside in their neighborhoods when drunk and/or high....of course, at least some of you here won't believe that because you grew up in a "white bread" world and believe everyone embraces your culture...you think that kind of behaviour is small and isolated minority....you are right, of course.., because you say you are.... :-X