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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Teresa Heilevang on June 16, 2009, 04:47:17 PM
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Bail out California ????
President Obama has less than 50 days to decide this one. California is in deep, deep, deep trouble. It is now asking for the Obama Administration to bail it out. Should it? California is the 8th largest economy in the WORLD! (bigger than Brazil, Canada etc.) If the Obama Administration does not bail it out, will California go into such a deep recession (depression) that it then drags down other (all?) states since all the states are economicallly dependent upon each other? By the way, if Feds don't bail out California, I think the state will have to cut services drastically and raise taxes steeply. The state relies on income tax and business taxes to fund itself -- and both sources of income to the state have dropped with the downturn of the economy. If people and businesses are not making money, then they are not paying taxes....do you have a solution?
http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/16/bail-out-california/
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Maybe we can sell it to Mexico? ::)
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It needs to be held up as a shining example of too much government run amuk! After everyone has seen what happens when liberals run government for too long, we then start the impeachment of all public "servants". This show will be attended by all the politicians in Washington, to serve warning of what will happen to them if they continue to use California as an example of how to run a country! >:(
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I doubt that BeHo will let it go down the tubes, but he should. The Land of Fruits and Nuts is a perfect example of hair brained gubmint spending gone berserk. My only hope is that when the crash comes (and it will), the people who still have money don't move to the other states, and pollute them with their "big brother will take care of you" philosophy.
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I thought we decided we were gonna GIVE it to Mexico (once we get Squibby out). That'd be a helluva lot cheaper than dumping money down the Ahhhnold rathole!!!
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I doubt that BeHo will let it go down the tubes, but he should. The Land of Fruits and Nuts is a perfect example of hair brained gubmint spending gone berserk. My only hope is that when the crash comes (and it will), the people who still have money don't move to the other states, and pollute them with their "big brother will take care of you" philosophy.
We get a lot of the California crowd here. ( I have no idea why ) But most of them can't make it through one winter here. The cold and the snow and especially the wind drive 'em right back to the coast. Besides that, people here have ZERO tolerance for non-natives coming in and telling us how to run things.
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We get a lot of the California crowd here. ( I have no idea why ) But most of them can't make it through one winter here. The cold and the snow and especially the wind drive 'em right back to the coast. Besides that, people here have ZERO tolerance for non-natives coming in and telling us how to run things.
And God knows they've done SUCH a swell job of running their own pathetic state!!
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And God knows they've done SUCH a swell job of running their own pathetic state!!
And Washington.
And Oregon.
And Colorado
And the urban parts of Montana
And . .
And . .
And . .
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Wasn't it Ford who said no bailout for NYC when Ed Koch was Mayor ? the world did not end and the city got it's stuff together.
BO should, but will not, let Ca. learn the same lesson. Instead the US tax payer will wind up funding their totally asinine benifits for illegal aliens, that's when he should be drug out and HANGED.
Did you ever notice that if you type the initials of New York twice, you get the city, NYNY, but if you do it with California, CaCa, you get shit.
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do you need California, not much good comes out of it from what I hear
just add it to the bulldozer list they were working on to reduce the side of the towns ;)
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do you need California, not much good comes out of it from what I hear
just add it to the bulldozer list they were working on to reduce the side of the towns ;)
Maybe if we ask nice and offer some food we can get N Korea and/or Iran to put nukes into the fault line.
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do you need California, not much good comes out of it from what I hear
just add it to the bulldozer list they were working on to reduce the side of the towns ;)
What'll it cost us for you guys to buy Kalifornia?
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What'll it cost us for you guys to buy Kalifornia?
I don't think the Aussies want it, if they didn't already have to many ass hats then Phil would not be so envious of our guns.
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You guys have hurt my feelings! :(
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You guys have hurt my feelings! :(
Just think how much more valuable your place in Az will be when it's beach front property.
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I'm pretty sure that the last vote told Arnie that we don't want him borrowing from Peter to pay Paul anymore. We resoundingly turned down the propositions that he and his liberal legislature put forth to continue the madness. Last I heard they in Sacramento were going to be making deep cuts, raising some taxes, and stealing money from the local governments so that the local governements would have to make deeper cuts and raise some taxes.
Unfortunately all the asshats in Sacramento want to keep their entitlement programs so they're making a fight against the tough cuts Arnie would have to make. Hence the "bailout".
As a Californian, born and raised, (and I'm no asshat, entitlement seeking, POS whining, I'm a victim type either) I think it would be a bad idea to acccept federal money with the strings that would be attached to it Unfortuantely we have a whole flock of liberal turkeys who just don't get it. So, we'll probably get the money and owe the feds our first born.
BTW...how'd all you all like it if I joked about planting nukes in your state or bulldozing it?
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We could fix a whole lot of problems in the USA if we deported all who are here illegally and closed the boarders to them.
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I'm pretty sure that the last vote told Arnie that we don't want him borrowing from Peter to pay Paul anymore. We resoundingly turned down the propositions that he and his liberal legislature put forth to continue the madness. Last I heard they in Sacramento were going to be making deep cuts, raising some taxes, and stealing money from the local governments so that the local governements would have to make deeper cuts and raise some taxes.
Unfortunately all the asshats in Sacramento want to keep their entitlement programs so they're making a fight against the tough cuts Arnie would have to make. Hence the "bailout".
As a Californian, born and raised, (and I'm no asshat, entitlement seeking, POS whining, I'm a victim type either) I think it would be a bad idea to acccept federal money with the strings that would be attached to it Unfortuantely we have a whole flock of liberal turkeys who just don't get it. So, we'll probably get the money and owe the feds our first born.
BTW...how'd all you all like it if I joked about planting nukes in your state or bulldozing it?
If you were you most likely would never have heard of this site
Who's joking ? I said the same things when I was living in Alameda County. Told the ex Wife "If I thought I was spending the rest of my life there I would walk in front of a truck.
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We could fix a whole lot of problems in the USA if we deported all who are here illegally and closed the boarders to them.
Bingo Haz!!!
Problem solved, not just for California but for many of the troubles the entire country has.
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Bingo Haz!!!
Problem solved, not just for California but for many of the troubles the entire country has.
Oh, I need to add "No anchor babies!"
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We could fix a whole lot of problems in the USA if we deported all who are here illegally and closed the boarders to them.
while that would not fix the probs, it would make the probs alot easier to handle. A illegal alien can get medical for free. yet some one like myself that works hard, pays taxs, pumps money into the econ... can't aford medical. The plans I could aford run less then $200 a month, but have 1500+ deductables. The ones were the co pays are reasonable ( 25-500) are in the 400-600 range. I can't use that much in service if I tried.
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do you need California, not much good comes out of it from what I hear
just add it to the bulldozer list they were working on to reduce the side of the towns ;)
SAVE THE WINE COUNTRY DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!! Their just farmers up there, Napa, Russian River, Paso Pobles, Alexander County, have a heart.......
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SAVE THE WINE COUNTRY DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!! Their just farmers up there, Napa, Russian River, Paso Pobles, Alexander County, have a heart.......
NY state has wineries as well ,f#@k Napa.
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SAVE THE WINE COUNTRY DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!! Their just farmers up there, Napa, Russian River, Paso Pobles, Alexander County, have a heart.......
Is that WINE or WHINE?
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SAVE THE WINE COUNTRY DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!! Their just farmers up there, Napa, Russian River, Paso Pobles, Alexander County, have a heart.......
Almost the whole state is farmers. The liberal elite all crowd in along the coast and run everything because the farmers are all spread out and never get any real say in the elections. I live in what is the reddest city in the reddest county in the Country and things are starting to slip to a purpler shade. I hear Colorado was getting a little purpler too.
Tom, NY isn't any more worth saving.
Definitely no bailout! We need our legislators to be held accountable. Everyone else has to live on a budget. It's time they know that we aren't giving them blank checks. Every illegal of every color and from every nationality should be launched across the border as soon as they are identified!
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Almost the whole state is farmers. The liberal elite all crowd in along the coast and run everything because the farmers are all spread out and never get any real say in the elections. I live in what is the reddest city in the reddest county in the Country and things are starting to slip to a purpler shade. I hear Colorado was getting a little purpler too.
Tom, NY isn't any more worth saving.
Definitely no bailout! We need our legislators to be held accountable. Everyone else has to live on a budget. It's time they know that we aren't giving them blank checks. Every illegal of every color and from every nationality should be launched across the border as soon as they are identified!
Amen, NO bailout.
Maybe the quake that will send everything west of the San Andreas (and other faults north and south) into the ocean will create a tsunami that will go around the world and target NYC for removal, then up the Hudson and take out Albany. That would leave the best parts of both states.
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Path, Lets hope that tsunammi gets Philthydelphia, too. ;)
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http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090616/ARTICLES/906169861/1350?Title=Democrats-take-on-governor-over-cuts
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Almost the whole state is farmers. The liberal elite all crowd in along the coast and run everything because the farmers are all spread out and never get any real say in the elections. I live in what is the reddest city in the reddest county in the Country and things are starting to slip to a purpler shade. I hear Colorado was getting a little purpler too.
Tom, NY isn't any more worth saving.
Definitely no bailout! We need our legislators to be held accountable. Everyone else has to live on a budget. It's time they know that we aren't giving them blank checks. Every illegal of every color and from every nationality should be launched across the border as soon as they are identified!
You know, that's the best damn idea I've heard in a while! After we build the fence we set up trebouches every 200 yds or so along the border. Then every day at noon, all the illegals that were caught sneakin in that day, get loaded up and launched back across the border!
It'll be great, BBQ, beer, and physics lessons for the kids! Hell I bet people would come from all over and pay big bucks to see it! Charge for 3 months and you just payed for the whole operation!
I'll be heading to the corner now with all the other sick twisted freaks.....
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while that would not fix the probs, it would make the probs alot easier to handle. A illegal alien can get medical for free. yet some one like myself that works hard, pays taxs, pumps money into the econ... can't aford medical. The plans I could aford run less then $200 a month, but have 1500+ deductables. The ones were the co pays are reasonable ( 25-500) are in the 400-600 range. I can't use that much in service if I tried.
I feel your pain. My group health premiums, as of June 1st, are now just slightly MORE than 35% of my base salary. I just keep reminding myself, though, "If you think health insurance is expensive now, just wait until it's free!"
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You know, that's the best damn idea I've heard in a while! After we build the fence we set up trebouches every 200 yds or so along the border. Then every day at noon, all the illegals that were caught sneakin in that day, get loaded up and launched back across the border!
It'll be great, BBQ, beer, and physics lessons for the kids! Hell I bet people would come from all over and pay big bucks to see it! Charge for 3 months and you just payed for the whole operation!
I'll be heading to the corner now with all the other sick twisted freaks.....
That's one of the best/funniest solutions that I've heard yet. I just wish that we could make it come true.
OK, I know, I'm going. One more sick twisted freak in the corner. Oh, and not no but Hell no on the bail out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Those 2 big cities LA & SF
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Those 2 big cities LA & SF
Sorry miss queue :-[ Those cities need to be flushed out to sea and let the farmers have the state back. Never regreted leaving there 5 years ago... And HELL no to bail out $$$. Saw an article a month ago Ahhnold begging BO for bail-out help.
That is one sad mess :P
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Here's a comment:
California's unsustainable spending without regard to actual revenues is well known. Foolish giveaways and payoffs to unions is the way of life for the Golden State.
Well, now the money is gone. But the leadership that put them in that predicament remains. Until all of them are gone, any idea of continued support is suicide for the rest of us.
It really is that simple. These people are nothing short of financial crackheads. Anything for another hit of money, but a steadfast refusal to change to sustainable ways. Until they change their ways, the outcome will never change. We can give California every cent we have left as a nation, but they will still spend it all.
Socialism is not a sustainable financial model. The California leadership has denied reality long enough. The credit cards must be pulled. The goofballs in the California Supreme Court need to be thrown out for continuing to make up new laws from the bench instead of interpreting laws from Sacramento.
In short, the entire state is dysfunctional. The thinking of the leadership is infested with stupidity and failure. Nobody can make a decision, they just read the latest popularity polls and figure out who should get a warm fuzzy today.
California 2009 equals theTitanic 30 minutes after they hit the iceberg. There is no way the ship is not going down. The only question is how badly do you want to be on it as it goes down?
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Here's a comment:
California's unsustainable spending without regard to actual revenues is well known. Foolish giveaways and payoffs to unions is the way of life for the Golden State.
Well, now the money is gone. But the leadership that put them in that predicament remains. Until all of them are gone, any idea of continued support is suicide for the rest of us.
It really is that simple. These people are nothing short of financial crackheads. Anything for another hit of money, but a steadfast refusal to change to sustainable ways. Until they change their ways, the outcome will never change. We can give California every cent we have left as a nation, but they will still spend it all.
Socialism is not a sustainable financial model. The California leadership has denied reality long enough. The credit cards must be pulled. The goofballs in the California Supreme Court need to be thrown out for continuing to make up new laws from the bench instead of interpreting laws from Sacramento.
In short, the entire state is dysfunctional. The thinking of the leadership is infested with stupidity and failure. Nobody can make a decision, they just read the latest popularity polls and figure out who should get a warm fuzzy today.
California 2009 equals theTitanic 30 minutes after they hit the iceberg. There is no way the ship is not going down. The only question is how badly do you want to be on it as it goes down?
That's right on M'ette 8)
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It needs to be held up as a shining example of too much government run amuk! After everyone has seen what happens when liberals run government for too long, we then start the impeachment Imprisonment of all public "servants". This show will be attended by all the politicians in Washington, to serve warning of what will happen to them if they continue to use California as an example of how to run a country! >:(
I'll say it again!
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You've all got it mostly right. California's policies are basically the test version of what the Feds are doing. Just as the Feds, CA's leftist government built up a strong voting base of welfare and program dependent voters and they continue to spend. It's no wonder the democrats always want to reach out to to the illegals with amnesty plans - more dependent voters. Now things have gotten tight and there's no one left to pay for all of those programs. BHO's trying to catch up to our state's stupidity on fast forward. Hopefully he'll put the brakes on.
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Here's a comment:
California's unsustainable spending without regard to actual revenues is well known. Foolish giveaways and payoffs to unions is the way of life for the Golden State.
Well, now the money is gone. But the leadership that put them in that predicament remains. Until all of them are gone, any idea of continued support is suicide for the rest of us.
It really is that simple. These people are nothing short of financial crackheads. Anything for another hit of money, but a steadfast refusal to change to sustainable ways. Until they change their ways, the outcome will never change. We can give California every cent we have left as a nation, but they will still spend it all.
Socialism is not a sustainable financial model. The California leadership has denied reality long enough. The credit cards must be pulled. The goofballs in the California Supreme Court need to be thrown out for continuing to make up new laws from the bench instead of interpreting laws from Sacramento.
In short, the entire state is dysfunctional. The thinking of the leadership is infested with stupidity and failure. Nobody can make a decision, they just read the latest popularity polls and figure out who should get a warm fuzzy today.
California 2009 equals theTitanic 30 minutes after they hit the iceberg. There is no way the ship is not going down. The only question is how badly do you want to be on it as it goes down?
And that is one of the basic reasons socialists countries more often than not go totalitarian, or at least oligarchical at the point of a gun.
Don't ask, look it up . . .
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You've all got it mostly right. California's policies are basically the test version of what the Feds are doing. Just as the Feds, CA's leftist government built up a strong voting base of welfare and program dependent voters and they continue to spend. It's no wonder the democrats always want to reach out to to the illegals with amnesty plans - more dependent voters. Now things have gotten tight and there's no one left to pay for all of those programs. BHO's trying to catch up to our state's stupidity on fast forward. Hopefully he'll put the brakes on.
We burned the brakes off the car 8 years ago. I'm sorry, I supported Bush only in a capacity of Foreign Policy. As far as the domestic thing goes, the only difference between Bush and BHO is the speed of shredder chewing up the Constitution. >:( >:(
THERE ARE NO SMILEY'S MAD ENOUGH!!!! >:(
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socializm works if there is no corruption... since there is always going to be corruption, it will never work.
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socializm works if there is no corruption... since there is always going to be corruption, it will never work.
Thus, socialism doesn't work.
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socializm works if there is no corruption... since there is always going to be corruption, it will never work.
Hell TAB, if there's no corruption, EVERYBODY "works"..........as opposed to sitting on their lazy asses with their hands out.
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Stolen from another thread (has it been said here? Sorry if a repeat)
"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other's money." Margaret Thatcher
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Stolen from another thread (has it been said here? Sorry if a repeat)
"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other's money." Margaret Thatcher
Well, in this state, they want to make sure they get every last penny.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tax-democrats-governor-2467258-increase-budget (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/tax-democrats-governor-2467258-increase-budget)
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socializm works if there is no corruption... since there is always going to be corruption, it will never work.
No it doesn't. Marx's theories contained basic flaws that would prevent the system ever working properly on a national scale. I would go into details like incentive but I don't have copies of his books to reference. I will however point out that Engles, and later Marx, were inspired by Hegel who's theories were widely debated and rejected , at least as far back as the Napoleonic wars. Even if a "Communalist" society WAS workable then (It wasn't, they tried it in France and wound up with an Emperor) It would be impossible to successfully transfer that primarily agrarian thinking to today's primarily industrial society.
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Well the latest on the local talk show network is that this isn't a "bailout", it is "helping Californina with it's cash flow..." this straight from a congress woman (didn't catch her name as I was driving in traffic at the time) and the infamous Senator Barbara Boxer. The congresswoman says the feds can't bailout a state; but it can help with some stimulus money to increase the cash flow of the 8th largest economy in the world. Jeez. I almost had to pull over.
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Isn't Boxer great!? :P
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Well the latest on the local talk show network is that this isn't a "bailout", it is "helping Californina with it's cash flow..." this straight from a congress woman (didn't catch her name as I was driving in traffic at the time) and the infamous Senator Barbara Boxer. The congresswoman says the feds can't bailout a state; but it can help with some stimulus money to increase the cash flow of the 8th largest economy in the world. Jeez. I almost had to pull over.
Gee, that makes it SO much better!!
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When I lived out there I was (allegedly) represented by Boxer and Fienstien. Any wonder the States politics disgust me ?
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It's not an economy if it's broke so it must be the LARGEST money pit in the world.
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SAVE THE WINE COUNTRY DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!! Their just farmers up there, Napa, Russian River, Paso Pobles, Alexander County, have a heart.......
WHY :P
just buy our wine from the Barossa (http://www.southaustralia.com/Barossa.aspx) it is only 20 Mins from where I live :) and I also can stand on my roof and see a winery as we have a couple around the place hehe mmm is 09:05am to soon for a wine ;) hehe
PS we don't want the place we have enough nutters here as it is :P and I don't want the Governater over here
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It's not an economy if it's broke so it must be the LARGEST money pit in the world.
You're darn tootin' ;D feed 'em to the gators Haz ;)