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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on July 20, 2009, 10:06:30 PM
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First read the news story about this "Renowned Scholar" who was the victim of racist police profiling
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/07/harvard.html
By Tracy Jan, Globe Staff
Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., one of the nation's pre-eminent African-American scholars, was arrested Thursday afternoon at his home by Cambridge police investigating a possible break-in. The incident raised concerns among some Harvard faculty that Gates was a victim of racial profiling.
Police arrived at Gates’s Ware Street home near Harvard Square at 12:44 p.m. to question him. Gates, director of the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research at Harvard, had trouble unlocking his door after it became jammed.
He was booked for disorderly conduct after “exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior,” according to a police report. Gates accused the investigating officer of being a racist and told him he had "no idea who he was messing with,'' the report said.
Gates told the officer that he was being targeted because "I'm a black man in America.''
Friends of Gates said he was already in his home when police arrived. He showed his driver’s license and Harvard identification card, but was handcuffed and taken into police custody for several hours last Thursday, they said.
The police report said Gates was arrested after he yelled at the investigating officer repeatedly inside the residence then followed the officer outside, where Gates continued to upbraid him. "It was at that time that I informed Professor Gates that he was under arrest,'' the officer wrote in the report.
Gates, 58, declined to comment today when reached by phone.
The arrest of such a prominent scholar under what some described as dubious circumstances shook some members of the black Harvard community.
“He and I both raised the question of if he had been a white professor, whether this kind of thing would have happened to him, that they arrested him without any corroborating evidence,” said S. Allen Counter, a Harvard Medical School professor who spoke with Gates about the incident Friday. “I am deeply concerned about the way he was treated, and called him to express my deepest sadness and sympathy.”
Counter, who had called Gates from the Nobel Institute in Sweden, where Counter is on sabbatical, said that Gates was “shaken” and “horrified” by his arrest.
Counter has faced a similar situation himself. The well-known neuroscience professor, who is also black, was stopped by two Harvard police officers in 2004 after being mistaken for a robbery suspect as he crossed Harvard Yard. They threatened to arrest him when he could not produce identification.
That incident was among several that ignited criticism from black students and faculty, highlighting the prejudices that many black students say they continue to face at Harvard.
“This is very disturbing that this could happen to anyone, and not just to a person of such distinction,” Counter said. “He was just shocked that this had happened, at 12:44 in the afternoon, in broad daylight. It brings up the question of whether black males are being targeted by Cambridge police for harassment.”
Cambridge police would not comment on the arrest, citing an investigation into the incident by Middlesex District Attorney Gerard T. Leone Jr. A spokesman for Leone said Gates is scheduled to be arraigned on Aug. 26 and said the office could not provide details on the arrest until that time.
Gates is being represented by Harvard Law School professor Charles Ogletree, who has taken on previous cases with racial implications.
Now read about the belligerent self righteous asshole Boston PD had to deal with, Read POLICE report at the link below.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/gates_incident_report_redacted.pdf
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Tom
This is surprising. I know Dr. Gates. Not well, but we've been on panels at a couple of conferences and had a beer toghther after one of them. He seems to be a very level headed guy. (Note: I most assuredly do not endorse all, or even most of his politics, but he is the kind of guy who will buy a pitcher and argue them with you. This is what we did about affirmative action in graduate admissions, him for, me against. It was a pretty classy thing for a Harvard department head to buy beer for a UT grad student to argue politics, in my opinion. He clearly could have spent his time with some one else.). I also think that that cop better be telling the truth and Gates was just having a bad day and was on the rag. It happens to all of us. If that wasn't the case the cop is screwed. Gates is pretty well universisally respected as an honest, smart and conscientious scholar even by those who are 180 degrees politically from him.
FQ13
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Tom
This is surprising. I know Dr. Gates. Not well, but we've been on panels at a couple of conferences and had a beer toghther after one of them. He seems to be a very level headed guy. (Note: I most assuredly do not endorse all, or even most of his politics, but he is the kind of guy who will buy a pitcher and argue them with you. This is what we did about affirmative action in graduate admissions, him for, me against. It was a pretty classy thing for a Harvard department head to buy beer for a UT grad student to argue politics, in my opinion. He clearly could have spent his time with some one else.). I also think that that cop better be telling the truth and Gates was just having a bad day and was on the rag. It happens to all of us. If that wasn't the case the cop is screwed. Gates is pretty well universisally respected as an honest, smart and conscientious scholar even by those who are 180 degrees politically from him.
FQ13
There were about 7 citizens and a bunch of other cops there, the supporting statement is by a Hispanic Cop from a different Department, This guy was a dick playing they You hassling me cuz I'm Black bullsh!t, when the cop is just trying to make sure this Arrogant bastards house isn't being burgled.
By the by, Do you know who and what W.E.B. DuBuis was ? He was a Communist Party organizer.
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There were about 7 citizens and a bunch of other cops there, the supporting statement is by a Hispanic Cop from a different Department, This guy was a dick playing they You hassling me cuz I'm Black bullsh!t, when the cop is just trying to make sure this Arrogant bastards house isn't being burgled.
By the by, Do you know who and what W.E.B. DuBuis was ? He was a Communist Party organizer.
Thanks Tom, you beat me to making this point.
This guy reminds me of some of the profs I have known - entitled, protected, even pampered, and used to having arguments that result in nothing more than having an argument, their minds are already made up. And this one didn't have the sense of a turnip that you don't say things like that and behave like that when the police are investigating a possible break-in.
There is no dearth of really stupid smart people in this country - and many of them work at universities.
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He also acted like a percentage of Blacks I have dealt with ( Not all, about half )
"I would have got a machine if I was white !" "No, you would have got a machine if you were ON TIME"
(That little exchange got me hauled in the office at T/C ;D )
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MSNBC(D) covered this story this morning too...... They actually prefaced the whole "racial profiling" angle of the story by saying that there was really no evidence yet of what actually happened...... But by golly, they still took the premise of discrimination and ran with it though, didnt they! Can you say jumping to conclusions?
*BTW this by definition can not be classified as racial profiling...... unless you want to accuse the neighbor who reported the break in of profiling.
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Charges were dropped:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32010985/ns/us_news-race_and_ethnicity/
*Notice the "race and ethnicity" in the URL
*Also intrersting:
The incident began when Gates had to force his way through the front door of his home because it was jammed, his lawyer said Monday.
Cambridge police say they responded to the well-maintained two-story home near campus after a woman reported seeing "two black males with backpacks on the porch," with one "wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry."
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To it's credit, the Boston NBC affiliate, just reported the facts of the case with NO opinion.
Me, as soon as they said "Harvard Professor", my mind wondered to other things, like a hot cup of joe...
I didn't even know the fellow was black until I read this post, two words.....Harvard......Professor.....lost interest....!
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Cambridge caves to "race card".
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_07_19-2009_07_25.shtml#1248192928
Gates Charges Dropped:
I'm glad cooler heads have prevailed:
Joint Press Release from City of Cambridge, Cambridge PD, Middlesex County D.A., and Prof. Gates
The City of Cambridge and the Cambridge Police Department have recommended to the Middlesex County District Attorney that the criminal charge against Professor Gates not proceed. Therefore, in the interests of justice, the Middlesex County District Attorney's Office has agreed to enter a nolle prosequi in this matter.
The City of Cambridge, the Cambridge Police Department, and Professor Gates acknowledge that the incident of July 16, 2009 was regrettable and unfortunate. This incident should not be viewed as one that demeans the character and reputation of Professor Gates or the character of the Cambridge Police Department. All parties agree that this is a just resolution to an unfortunate set of circumstances.
Related Posts (on one page):
1. Gates Charges Dropped:
2. Arrest of Harvard Prof. Henry Louis Gates, Jr.:
Quite the contrary, it is not the "incident" that demeans his character and reputation, it is his CONDUCT that does that.
Far from being a case of "ironing out a misunderstanding". This is a case of the City allowing an abusive arrogant elitist to insult a working Police Officer because they lack the balls to tell Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson (who were reported to be looking into the matter ) to go to hell.
Welcome to America, Dictatorship of the socialist protesters
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Here is what Sharpton said:
"This arrest is indicative of at best police abuse of power or at worst the highest example of racial profiling I have seen," Sharpton said. "I have heard of driving while black and even shopping while black but now even going to your own home while black is a new low in police community affairs."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32010985/ns/us_news-race_and_ethnicity/
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"This arrest is indicative of at best police abuse of power or at worst the highest example of racial profiling I have seen," Sharpton said. "I have heard of driving while black and even shopping while black but now even
going to your own home Prying open a door while black is a new low in police community affairs."
What part of "suspicious person" does this attention starved media whore not get ?
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I don't care if you're black, white, green or purple. If you are an a%$hole to the cops you should go to jail, period, end of story. >:(
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These are cops I can get behind!
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Gates sounds like a real "academia nut" and profits from the promotion of the culture of victimization. Too bad that his bigotry is so entrenched that it taints everything about his existence. I tire quickly of racists that wrap themselves in the cloak of victim in an attempt to hide their own racism (Gates, Sharpton, Jackson, et. al).
It wouldn't hurt him to leave the ivory tower of academia and get a real job either - except most companies in the real world would expect him to contribute rather than stand on the side lines and complain about being mistreated.
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Gates sounds like a real "academia nut" and profits from the promotion of the culture of victimization. Too bad that his bigotry is so entrenched that it taints everything about his existence. I tire quickly of racists that wrap themselves in the cloak of victim in an attempt to hide their own racism (Gates, Sharpton, Jackson, et. al).
It wouldn't hurt him to leave the ivory tower of academia and get a real job either - except most companies in the real world would expect him to contribute rather than stand on the side lines and complain about being mistreated.
Don't dis him too easily Ichiban.
If the cop is to be believed, he behaved like an A hole and deserves to be writing a check to the city of Cambridge and making a public apology. His scholarship, in distinction to his politics, is solid however. The guy does do a good job at research. BTW, when did teaching stop being a "real job"? Just askin'. BTW, if you can read this, you might want to thank a teacher.8)
FQ13
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What the hell ever happened to being grateful for the fact that people are looking out for you and your shit? This asshat should've been THANKING the cops for responding to the call in such a rapid manner. Apparently he thinks that psychic seeing is one of the courses offered at the academy these days. Why the hell else would he expect the officer to know that it was him trying to get into his own house?
And FQ, a "real job" is one that requires the person holding it to actually produce something, and their continued employment is predicated upon the continued production of said product. No tenure in the "real world". You might want to try it sometime yourself.
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BTW, when did teaching stop being a "real job"? Just askin'. BTW, if you can read this, you might want to thank a teacher.
Nothing against teachers/professors/etc. Some of my best friends have been..... nah, that just doesn't sound too sincere, does it?
Two words: Ward Churchill.
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Nothing against teachers/professors/etc. Some of my best friends have been..... nah, that just doesn't sound too sincere, does it?
Two words: Ward Churchill.
I just threw up in my mouth :-X
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What the hell ever happened to being grateful for the fact that people are looking out for you and your shit? This asshat should've been THANKING the cops for responding to the call in such a rapid manner. Apparently he thinks that psychic seeing is one of the courses offered at the academy these days. Why the hell else would he expect the officer to know that it was him trying to get into his own house?
And FQ, a "real job" is one that requires the person holding it to actually produce something, and their continued employment is predicated upon the continued production of said product. No tenure in the "real world". You might want to try it sometime yourself.
Again TT, the fact that you are able to read, write and have the knowledge to earn your paycheck, as well as being smart enough to offer generally well informed commentary on this board indicates that teachers earn their paychecks as well. As far as tenure at universities, there is a very good reason for it. The fact is that people get in trouble for their politics (Either liberal or conservative, it depends on the school.) all the time. They also get in trouble because they aren't using the trendy method of research at a given moment. Tenure is hard to get, frequently denied, and serves to insure ethical integrity on the part of the adminstration (and I don't need to lecture anyone on the general mindset of school administrators anywhere. We all have enough experience with them.). Please understand I'm not defending Gates here. He was a nice thoughtful guy when I met him, but it sounds like he became an Ahole from the story. I am however defending my proffesion from criticism from folks who have'nt thought their arguements through. You're a smart guy TT, give it some thought.
FQ13
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Ward Churchills vile name should only appear on our forum in the manner that I have written. I agree with Shooter. I feel Ill. :-X
Incidently Churchills victory in his wrongfull termination suit was overturned a few weeks ago. Thanks again Fox News. No one else reported that awesome news. :)
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"Those that can, do!"
"Those that can't, teach!"
I was a grown man by the time I went to college and honestly, the last decent teacher I had was in High School, Class of 1975.
Most, if not all of my professors were morons so forgive me if I don't have a high opinion of educators in the last 34 years. My latest experience with educators were the incompetant dipshits that educated my little girl and thankfully, she was able to come out with at least a modicum of knowledge and the ability to know where to look for the answers. Had I the resources to send her to the private sector, I would have done so.
I could read before I was five years old so for that, I thank my parents, not my kindergarten teacher!
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Don't dis him too easily Ichiban.
If the cop is to be believed, he behaved like an A hole and deserves to be writing a check to the city of Cambridge and making a public apology. His scholarship, in distinction to his politics, is solid however. The guy does do a good job at research. BTW, when did teaching stop being a "real job"? Just askin'. BTW, if you can read this, you might want to thank a teacher.8)
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Yes he should, but he never will because HE'S BLACK, and everybody in America knows that a black can be as much of an asshole as they please and just like Maxine Waters slapping that cop, it's always some one else's fault. Just like Obama "I'm turd color, if you don't vote for my anti American bullsh!t your a racist. It's PAST time to end affirmative action and start holding these arrogant self rightous porch monkeys to the same standard as everybody else. The real racists in America are these militant "victims",
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_analysis
It took less than a day for the arrest of Henry Louis Gates to become racial lore. When one of America's most prominent black intellectuals winds up in handcuffs, it's not just another episode of profiling — it's a signpost on the nation's bumpy road to equality.
The news was parsed and Tweeted, rued and debated. This was, after all Henry "Skip" Gates: Summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Yale. MacArthur "genius grant" recipient. Acclaimed historian, Harvard professor and PBS documentarian. One of Time magazine's "25 Most Influential Americans" in 1997. Holder of 50 honorary degrees.
If this man can be taken away by police officers from the porch of his own home, what does it say about the treatment that average blacks can expect in 2009?
Earl Graves Jr., CEO of the company that publishes Black Enterprise magazine, was once stopped by police during his train commute to work, dressed in a suit and tie.
"My case took place back in 1995, and here we are 14 years later dealing with the same madness," he said Tuesday. "Barack Obama being the president has meant absolutely nothing to white law enforcement officers. Zero. So I have zero confidence that (Gates' case) will lead to any change whatsoever."
The 58-year-old professor had returned from a trip to China last Thursday afternoon and found the front door of his Cambridge, Mass., home stuck shut. Gates entered the back door, forced open the front door with help from a car service driver, and was on the phone with the Harvard leasing company when a white police sergeant arrived.
Gates and the sergeant gave differing accounts of what happened next. But for many people, that doesn't matter.
They don't care that Gates was charged not with breaking and entering, but with disorderly conduct after repeatedly demanding the sergeant's name and badge number. It doesn't matter whether Gates was yelling, or accused Sgt. James Crowley of being racist, or that all charges were dropped Tuesday.
All they see is pure, naked racial profiling.
"Under any account ... all of it is totally uncalled for," said Graves.
"It never would have happened — imagine a white professor, a distinguished white professor at Harvard, walking around with a cane, going into his own house, being harassed or stopped by the police. It would never happen."
Racial profiling became a national issue in the 1990s, when highway police on major drug delivery routes were accused of stopping drivers simply for being black. Lawsuits were filed, studies were commissioned, data was analyzed. "It is wrong, and we will end it in America," President George W. Bush said in 2001.
Yet for every study that concluded police disproportionately stop, search and arrest minorities, another expert came to a different conclusion. "That's always going to be the case," Greg Ridgeway, who has a Ph.D in statistics and studies racial profiling for the RAND research group, said on Monday. "You're never going to be able to (statistically) prove racial profiling. ... There's always a plausible explanation."
Federal legislation to ban racial profiling has languished since being introduced in 2007 by a dozen Democratic senators, including then-Sen. Barack Obama.
U.S. Rep. Danny Davis, D-Ill., said that was partly because "when you look at statistics, and you're trying to prove the extent, the information comes back that there's not nearly as much (profiling) as we continue to experience."
But Davis has no doubt that profiling is real: He says he was stopped while driving in Chicago in 2007 for no reason other than the fact he is black. Police gave him a ticket for swerving over the center line; a judge said the ticket didn't make sense and dismissed it.
"Trying to reach this balance of equity, equal treatment, equal protection under the law, equal understanding, equal opportunity, is something that we will always be confronted with. We may as well be prepared for it," he said.
Amid the indignation over Gates' case, a few people pointed out that he may have violated the cardinal rule of avoiding arrest: Do not antagonize the cops.
The police report said that Gates yelled at the officer, refused to calm down and behaved in a "tumultuous" manner. Gates said he simply asked for the officer's identification, followed him into his porch when the information was not forthcoming, and was arrested for no reason. But something about being asked to prove that you live in your own home clearly struck a nerve — both for Gates and his defenders.
"You feel violated, embarrassed, not sure what is taking place, especially when you haven't done anything," said Graves of his own experience, when police made him face the wall and frisked him in Grand Central Station in New York City. "You feel shocked, then you realize what's happening, and then you feel it's a violation of everything you stand for."
And that this should happen to "Skip" Gates — the unblemished embodiment of President Obama's recent admonition to black America not to search for handouts or favors, but to "seize our own future, each and every day" — shook many people to the core.
Wrote Lawrence Bobo, Gates' Harvard colleague, who picked his friend up from jail: "Ain't nothing post-racial about the United States of America."
Hey Gates, get a clue ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8&feature=PlayList&p=43CCC6FA37E83BF2&index=0
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FQ, Tenure is nothing but job security for the incompetent.
If teachers are so great (I could read before I started school as well ) then" how come Johnny can't read",spell, construct a coherent sentence, do math problems with out a calculator, and knows jack shit about History or science ?
Do those in your field do ANYTHING other than socialist indoctrination ? You DAMN SURE are teaching worth a crap. Especially considering what a bunch of over paid, self righteous prima Donna's We are stuck with in the industry.
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Don't dis him too easily Ichiban.
If the cop is to be believed, he behaved like an A hole and deserves to be writing a check to the city of Cambridge and making a public apology. His scholarship, in distinction to his politics, is solid however. The guy does do a good job at research. BTW, when did teaching stop being a "real job"? Just askin'. BTW, if you can read this, you might want to thank a teacher.8)
FQ13
If you voted for Obama, you might want to thank your loony liberal colleagues.
*P.S. Home schooled people read rather well.
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FQ, Tenure is nothing but job security for the incompetent.
If teachers are so great (I could read before I started school as well ) then" how come Johnny can't read",spell, construct a coherent sentence, do math problems with out a calculator, and knows jack shit about History or science ?
Do those in your field do ANYTHING other than socialist indoctrination ? You DAMN SURE are teaching worth a crap. Especially considering what a bunch of over paid, self righteous prima Donna's We are stuck with in the industry.
Two words, Tom. Parents and practice. You're a machinist and a father. I don't need to tell you this. I can lecture you until I'm blue in the face about how to operate a machine. If you don't practice, eg do your home work, its wasted breath. No one can expect a kid to be self motivating. thats what parents are for. To reward when they are diligent and to kick their asses when they aren't. Without that support a thousand teachers aren't worth a bucket of warm spit. As a machinst you know that if you are given quality materials, that with diligense and learned skill, you can produce a good product. If you are given cheap pot metal, its garbage in and garbage out. It might not be PC to say this, but its the damn truth. Don't blame the teachers; blame the sperm doner dads, the overworked single mothers, the permissive (I'll never be like my own parents who kicked my ass till I got it toghther hippies) and the rest. it may not take a village to raise a child, but it does take parents who give a damn, and no teacher can make up for their absence.
FQ13
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If you voted for Obama, you might want to thank your loony liberal colleagues.
*P.S. Home schooled people read rather well.
And they can spell diligence. ;D
As for FQ going on about Kids and home work, that's just self defensive bullsh!t. Schools are minimizing homework because the poor overworked kiddies have to carry home 2 or 3 books each night and it cuts into they "social interaction". Teachers just don't want to correct their papers.
If FQ's whole defense wasn't bullsh!t, then how come the students motivated enough to get into college all have to take a remedial English class ? Obvious answer is the teachers are sitting on their lazy tenured asses and not doing their job.
And don't start on that "discipline" crap either, teachers would not have that problem if they spent more time on their subject and less time on the "sanctity of dissent", that's a problem these liberal slackers brought on themselves.
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He violated Chris Rock's Rule #5 & 6, on how NOT to get your ass kicked/arrested by the police.
For Review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
BE POLITE!!!! USE COMMON SENSE!!! & STFU!!!
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And they can spell diligence. ;D
As for FQ going on about Kids and home work, that's just self defensive bullsh!t. Schools are minimizing homework because the poor overworked kiddies have to carry home 2 or 3 books each night and it cuts into they "social interaction". Teachers just don't want to correct their papers.
If FQ's whole defense wasn't bullsh!t, then how come the students motivated enough to get into college all have to take a remedial English class ? Obvious answer is the teachers are sitting on their lazy tenured asses and not doing their job.
And don't start on that "discipline" crap either, teachers would not have that problem if they spent more time on their subject and less time on the "sanctity of dissent", that's a problem these liberal slackers brought on themselves.
Tom
I'm not trying to make a political point, just trying, as one craftsman to another to let you know something. I spend about 4-5 hours on research on every 1 hour lecture I give. I spend weeks putting togther a syllabus, trying to find as many articles and book chapters as I can to allow the studnts to buy a $50 kinko's packet rather than three or four seventy dollar books. I assign three 5-7 page take home essays rather than multiple choice exams even in intro classes where I have 400 students, and yes thats 2,000 pages for me to read. Say what you want, but I make it a point of pride to give my students their money's worth. I also give them my home phone number, have them over for dinner, and will call them if they haven't been showing up. I take pride in my work Tom. I hope you do as well.
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*P.S. Home schooled people read rather well.
oh me, me, me , pick me..... I'm home schooled.... oh yeah, 98% of my misspelled words are from 2 much drunk.... u no..
actually, yes, I am home schooled. My name is Darrin and I'm an engineer.
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oh me, me, me , pick me..... I'm home schooled.... oh yeah, 98% of my misspelled words are from 2 much drunk.... u no..
actually, yes, I am home schooled. My name is Darrin and I'm an engineer.
Dude, if you and Haz don't lay off the Pisco, TW and I WILL drive up there and deliver you to M'lette for punishment! >:( Of course, that might be kind of fun. ;D (sorry Marshall).
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Tom
I'm not trying to make a political point, just trying, as one craftsman to another to let you know something. I spend about 4-5 hours on research on every 1 hour lecture I give. I spend weeks putting togther a syllabus, trying to find as many articles and book chapters as I can to allow the studnts to buy a $50 kinko's packet rather than three or four seventy dollar books. I assign three 5-7 page take home essays rather than multiple choice exams even in intro classes where I have 400 students, and yes thats 2,000 pages for me to read. Say what you want, but I make it a point of pride to give my students their money's worth. I also give them my home phone number, have them over for dinner, and will call them if they haven't been showing up. I take pride in my work Tom. I hope you do as well.
FQ13
So basically your telling me that these kids parents are paying tens of thousands of dollars for the Cliff Notes version of what I got at the library for $.25 a year ? ( back when they charged for the card )
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Again TT, the fact that you are able to read, write and have the knowledge to earn your paycheck, as well as being smart enough to offer generally well informed commentary on this board indicates that teachers earn their paychecks as well. As far as tenure at universities, there is a very good reason for it. The fact is that people get in trouble for their politics (Either liberal or conservative, it depends on the school.) all the time. They also get in trouble because they aren't using the trendy method of research at a given moment. Tenure is hard to get, frequently denied, and serves to insure ethical integrity on the part of the adminstration (and I don't need to lecture anyone on the general mindset of school administrators anywhere. We all have enough experience with them.). Please understand I'm not defending Gates here. He was a nice thoughtful guy when I met him, but it sounds like he became an Ahole from the story. I am however defending my proffesion from criticism from folks who have'nt thought their arguements through. You're a smart guy TT, give it some thought.
FQ13
I was in a former life a graduate student working on a Masters in Anthropology and Archeology. The sheer venality of the faculties I encountered, the self-serving aggrandizement, and the pampered nature of tenure contribute to producing the Gates characters. They believe - deep down - that they are special and that somehow they are entitled to show everyone just how special.
- The Asst. Prof. who just had to rub the fact that he got a free copy of a very expensive textbook in the noses of his grad students - who would have to pay for theirs.
- The Assoc. Prof. (black) who gave automatic B's to any woman who sat in the front row with a short skirt. The A's were reserved for the women who slept with him.
- The Assoc. Prof. who poo-poo'd an incredible find, dismissing it as trivial - only to take credit for finding it and putting that very item on the cover of his new book.
- The full professor who made his mark by being an open and avowed Marxist, insisting - thousands of years of science to the contrary - that you can successfully interpret cultural activities through Marxist dogma.
- The full professor, and head of the department, who could be told 3 times what time it was, and he still would ask you what time it was.
And on it goes. In my grad school, I had 1 - count 'em 1 - professor who was any good, and he was a PhD. in biology working in physical anthropology. At least he made you think, not simply regurgitate. In 6 years of college and grad school combined, I had maybe 6 professors worthy of respect for themselves. The rest were simply mediocre to average people trying to get by and move up the food chain.
FQ, you really think Gates' research is all that good? He is so agenda driven (starting with his role at the WEB Dubois center) I guarantee you if his work was truly researched - and not peer-approved for fear of being called racist as he immediately did with the cops - his research will be found to have a conclusion reached first, followed by his research to substantiate that point.
This ain't about reading, son, it is about character and being decent. And Gates may be the first, he ain't the second.
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So basically your telling me that these kids parents are paying tens of thousands of dollars for the Cliff Notes version of what I got at the library for $.25 a year ? ( back when they charged for the card )
No Tom. Its me taking the relevant chapters out of books and copying them by hand. Hundreds of pages worth, out of a couple of dozen books. I then get to apply for copy write and see that they are bound correctly. All to save them the money of buying the whole thing if all they need is chapter four. Tom, I've never said this to you before, but I probably should have, KMA! I work hard for my kids and I don't need your crap when I am busting my butt to do my job the right way.
FQ13
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Dude, if you and Haz don't lay off the Pisco, TW and I WILL drive up there and deliver you to M'lette for punishment! >:( Of course, that might be kind of fun. ;D (sorry Marshall).
FQ13
dude,
I really am home schooled. and yes, I am an ENGINEER!!!! and what will really mess your day up.... I did it on my own. I didn't graduate from high school... everything I've earned has been earned by HARD WORK and BRAINS!
ON MY OWN!!!!!
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- The Asst. Prof. who just had to rub the fact that he got a free copy of a very expensive textbook in the noses of his grad students - who would have to pay for theirs.
- The Assoc. Prof. (black) who gave automatic B's to any woman who sat in the front row with a short skirt. The A's were reserved for the women who slept with him.
- The Assoc. Prof. who poo-poo'd an incredible find, dismissing it as trivial - only to take credit for finding it and putting that very item on the cover of his new book.
- The full professor who made his mark by being an open and avowed Marxist, insisting - thousands of years of science to the contrary - that you can successfully interpret cultural activities through Marxist dogma.
- The full professor, and head of the department, who could be told 3 times what time it was, and he still would ask you what time it was.
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Or the Sociology teacher you could con with a 20 minute before period barely page and a half paper and get an B (turned it in a class late, oh well) by stroking her "issues"...like we know that some retarded people can't and will never learn to count to five, but as a society we should allow them to participate fully with everybody else to not hurt their feelings and let everyone else pick up the slack to be socially responsible...yes, I really wrote that.
Or the English teacher who thought bull riders should be outlawed unless they wore helmets and pads....all you had to do was sprinkle your paper with liberal slime ideas to get an A...OK..did that too....sorry to bust your bubble, but when in Rome....and we all laughed about doing it to get the grades after class.
Or the Art teacher who was a soldier in WWII who brought Picasso (or some other famous painter in occupied France) some paints...speak of the joy of Picasso..instant A
Then there was the statics and dynamics teacher, the Diff eq teacher, the mechanics of materials teacher, the quan and qual teacher, the geology and petrophysics dudes...all jerks...we really had to do the work...how rude. What is it about the physical sciences teachers....geez...you gotta take tests, the answers are the answers plus or minus a significant digit and though you could try to con them by talking dirty about how to apply calculus to solve routine problems...the jerks never gave me a break. I'm damaged...I want restitution.....they made me work....how insensitive.
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Or the Sociology teacher you could con with a 20 minute before period barely page and a half paper and get an B (turned it in a class late, oh well) by stroking her "issues"...like we know that some retarded people can't and will never learn to count to five, but as a society we should allow them to participate fully with everybody else to not hurt their feelings and let everyone else pick up the slack to be socially responsible...yes, I really wrote that.
Or the English teacher who thought bull riders should be outlawed unless they wore helmets and pads....all you had to do was sprinkle your paper with liberal slime ideas to get an A...OK..did that too....sorry to bust your bubble, but when in Rome....and we all laughed about doing it to get the grades after class.
Or the Art teacher who was a soldier in WWII who brought Picasso (or some other famous painter in occupied France) some paints...speak of the joy of Picasso..instant A
Then there was the statics and dynamics teacher, the Diff eq teacher, the mechanics of materials teacher, the quan and qual teacher, the geology and petrophysics dudes...all jerks...we really had to do the work...how rude. What is it about the physical sciences teachers....geez...you gotta take tests, the answers are the answers plus or minus a significant digit and though you could try to con them by talking dirty about how to apply calculus to solve routine problems...the jerks never gave me a break. I'm damaged...I want restitution.....they made me work....how insensitive.
Keep talking Rastus.
I'm not not going to make excuses for every teacher because god knows there are plenty of lazy and incompetant cops, plumbers and lawyers out there. Teacher's are no different. I do, however get a bit testy when I do my job, well and conscientiously, and for not all that much money, and get crap thrown in my face by people who have obviously been educated (well) by people a lot like me. The day you are SUPPOSED to be ashamed to say you teach the next generation is a sad day indeed. As I said, I do my job, I do it to the best of my ability, and I take pride in my work. I only hope you can say the same.
FQ13
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Keep talking Rastus.
I'm not not going to make excuses for every teaher because god knows there are plenty of lazy and incompetant cops, plumbers and lawyers out the3re. Teacher's are no different. I do, however get a bit testy when I do my job, well and conscientiously, and for not all that much money, and get crap thrown in my face by people who have obviously been educated (well) by people a lot like me. The day you are SUPPOSED to be ashamed to say you teach the next generation is a sad day indeed. As I said, I do my job, I do it to the best of my ability, and I take pride in my work. I only hope you can say the same.
FQ13
I'll dispose of my self-imposed non-response policy for this response. Have I ever said that you were not a good and dilgent teacher for the subject matter you taught? I may have bashed your politics, but I don't know that I criticized your work. The majority of liberal arts teachers at three universities I attended (well, one college, two universities) were susceptable to manipulation by agreeing with their politics to achieve a higher score or to achieve a score commensurate with content whereas math and physical science teachers as a whole were not susceptable to the same type of shennanigans.
For Full Disclosure
This is, admittedly, from a small population so the sampling by itself is not valid as a statistical trend that can be applied to the universe of school populations; but does imply the possibility of a trend and goes beyond the tendancy of confirmation of concept when coupled with many similar observations gleaned and confirmed from other engineers, scientists (including ones I worked with at SNL [Sandia National Labs]) and geologists from varied interests and varied institutions across the U.S. and from a U.S. sampling population of only of schools of higher education that offered liberal arts and physical sciences classes and mostly with graduate programs in both liberal arts and physical sciences.
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Tom
I'm not trying to make a political point, just trying, as one craftsman to another to let you know something. I spend about 4-5 hours on research on every 1 hour lecture I give. I spend weeks putting togther a syllabus, trying to find as many articles and book chapters as I can to allow the studnts to buy a $50 kinko's packet rather than three or four seventy dollar books. I assign three 5-7 page take home essays rather than multiple choice exams even in intro classes where I have 400 students, and yes thats 2,000 pages for me to read. Say what you want, but I make it a point of pride to give my students their money's worth. I also give them my home phone number, have them over for dinner, and will call them if they haven't been showing up. I take pride in my work Tom. I hope you do as well.
FQ13
OK, on the lighter side, you're a university professor, correct? Having those 18 to 22 y/o co-eds over for dinner.......I have a couple of degrees, do you need a TA? I'll help with the dinners. The 2000 pages you're on your own. My generosity only goes so far. ;D
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I'll dispose of my self-imposed non-response policy for this response. Have I ever said that you were not a good and dilgent teacher for the subject matter you taught? I may have bashed your politics, but I don't know that I criticized your work. The majority of liberal arts teachers at three universities I attended (well, one college, two universities) were susceptable to manipulation by agreeing with their politics to achieve a higher score or to achieve a score commensurate with content whereas math and physical science teachers as a whole were not susceptable to the same type of shennanigans.
For Full Disclosure
This is, admittedly, from a small population so the sampling by itself is not valid as a statistical trend that can be applied to the universe of school populations; but does imply the possibility of a trend and goes beyond the tendancy of confirmation of concept when coupled with many similar observations gleaned and confirmed from other engineers, scientists (including ones I worked with at SNL [Sandia National Labs]) and geologists from varied interests and varied institutions across the U.S. and from a U.S. sampling population of only of schools of higher education that offered liberal arts and physical sciences classes and mostly with graduate programs in both liberal arts and physical sciences.
Rastus
You should drop the non-response policy. You're a smart guy, I like to think I'm not all that stupid either. We just disagree. But, to quote Heinlein, I never learned anything from a man who agreed with me. Just sayin', and thanks for your post.
FQ13 who may not agree with you, but does respect you
PS I'm sorry about your experience, but I know that I speak for the vast majorityof my friends when I say that any thirty something prof who is so insecure that they would bully or bribe a 19 year old into fakeing ageement with them, is the poster child for pathetic. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it is viewed as being as weak and sad as trying to sleep with your students. It is the kiss of death if you get caught, as it should be.
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OK, on the lighter side, you're a university professor, correct? Having those 18 to 22 y/o co-eds over for dinner.......I have a couple of degrees, do you need a TA? I'll help with the dinners. The 2000 pages you're on your own. My generosity only goes so far. ;D
Kid
I made $42,00 at my last job. To be be blunt, NO 19 year old co-ed is that good. As a TA of course, you would have less to lose, but you WILL be grading some of those papers! ;D
FQ13 who hears nothing, sees nothing and knows nothing ;D ;D ;D
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Kid
I made $42,00 at my last job. To be be blunt, NO 19 year old co-ed is that good. As a TA of course, you would have less to lose, but you WILL be grading some of those papers! ;D
FQ13 who hears nothing, sees nothing and knows nothing ;D ;D ;D
I'm retired, I have no need of a paying job as a TA and I have absolutely nothing to lose.
Well I guess that I could lose my cajones, if Mrs. Kid found out. Dang, she's a good shot too..................I'd lose the cajones for sure.
You're back on your own pardner.
Kid Shelleen who values his cajones and must say adios. ;D
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I'm retired, I have no need of a paying job as a TA and I have absolutely nothing to lose.
Well I guess that I could lose my cajones, if Mrs. Kid found out. Dang, she's a good shot too..................I'd lose the cajones for sure.
You're back on your own pardner.
Kid Shelleen who values his cajones and must say adios. ;D
Kid you are a wise man. There was one and only one time I had a student offer to sleep with me for a grade (when I was younger and a grad student and she needed a C to keep her scholarship, though she thougt showing up for a test, much less passing one, was optional.). I told her, when she blantantly offered a BJ for a pass that it better be worth the $800 a month stipend I was getting and the price of my tuition, and I didn't think she was quite that good. ;D Probably could have gotten myself in a boat load of trouble, but I did have a witness, plus, the look on her face almost made it worth it.
FQ13 who may be a fool, but is an honest fool
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Kid you are a wise man.
FQ13 who may be a fool, but is an honest fool
And you are a Wise Latina Woman!
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FQ, while I applaud you for the way in which you describe doing your job, I must admit that personal experience would seem to place you in the minority of professors. Not saying that you are, just saying that in my experience you're more rare than hens' teeth.
The fact remains, however, that the way YOU do YOUR job has no bearing on whether or not the racist asshat that this thread started out detailing, does or does not almost single-handedly set race relations in this country back several decades.
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No Tom. Its me taking the relevant chapters out of books and copying them by hand. Hundreds of pages worth, out of a couple of dozen books. I then get to apply for copy write and see that they are bound correctly. All to save them the money of buying the whole thing if all they need is chapter four. Tom, I've never said this to you before, but I probably should have, KMA! I work hard for my kids and I don't need your crap when I am busting my butt to do my job the right way.
FQ13
If I had seen these posts earlier my reply would have been the same (more or less) as what tt11758 posted
FQ, while I applaud you for the way in which you describe doing your job, I must admit that personal experience would seem to place you in the minority of professors. Not saying that you are, just saying that in my experience you're more rare than hens' teeth.
The fact remains, however, that the way YOU do YOUR job has no bearing on whether or not the racist asshat that this thread started out detailing, does or does not almost single-handedly set race relations in this country back several decades.
The vehement defensiveness of your replies make me think that you do not disagree as much as you wish you could Regardless, it does not take away from the fact that the self important asshole in question SHOULD have been thanking the responding Officer for doing his job. had it been me responding he would probably have wished he paid more attention to Cris Rock.
By the way FQ, answer me honestly, now that you have told me to KYA, doesn't it feel MUCH better to say what you are THINKING, instead of taking the "above it all" prim and proper PC tone ;D ;D
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Dr Obama was asked about this last night in the Press conf:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/22/painfully-embarrassing-softball-question-of-the-day/
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I have not read the all of the thread
it made the news here
http://www.smh.com.au/world/police-acted-stupidly-arresting-professor-obama-20090723-ducm.html
there is a video as well ::)
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Obama tries to walk back his "Stupid" comment:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/23/how-not-to-win-support-from-police-unions/
The White House says President Barack Obama was not calling a Cambridge, Mass., police officer stupid when he criticized last week’s arrest of black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. …
On Wednesday Obama said the police “acted stupidly” when they arrested Gates even after it was clear that he was not a burglary suspect. Gibbs said that Obama did not regret the remark, but wanted to clarify that he was not calling the arresting officer stupid.
*Hey BHO, just blame it on Biden!
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It gets better......
http://www.zazzle.com/ill_speak_with_your_mama_outside_tshirt-235090175211093481
From the police report, we learn how articulate prestigious Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates can be when invited to speak on his front porch with police officers doing their jobs:
“YA, I’LL SPEAK WITH YOUR MAMA OUTSIDE!”
Click this link ;D
http://www.zazzle.com/ill_speak_with_your_mama_outside_tshirt-235090175211093481
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Better still:
Cop who arrested Gates teaches classes on how not to racially profile
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/23/nuance-cop-who-arrested-gates-is-an-expert-on-racial-profiling/
Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.
“I have nothing but the highest respect for him as a police officer. He is very professional and he is a good role model for the young recruits in the police academy,” Fleming told The Associated Press on Thursday.
The course, called “Racial Profiling,” teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community “and how you don’t want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from,” Fleming said…
In radio interviews Thursday morning, Crowley maintained he followed procedure.
“I support the president of the United States 110 percent. I think he was way off base wading into a local issue without knowing all the facts as he himself stated before he made that comment,” Crowley told WBZ-AM. “I guess a friend of mine would support my position, too.”
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Dr Obama was asked about this last night in the Press conf:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/22/painfully-embarrassing-softball-question-of-the-day/
"I'm not aware of all the facts ... Chip Gates is a friend so I'm biased"
Good time to say it is too bad something went horribly wrong, and then shut your pie hole!
The Pres. states he is sure some words are exchanged, and then he goes on to blame LE. Is it possible that this was poor judgement by an elitist, and good precautionary police work ... the same good police work the good Dr. would have demanded if it were someone trying to break into his home?
Racisim ... When you identify your self by race, and when you play the "race card," you give up the right to scream racism! He wanted special treatment (in a good way) because he is a successful member of the educated black elite community ... Moron! My appologies to non educated, non elite morons everywhere
We are going through a thing in a small town out here where the police are being hung out to dry. On air interviews with both law enforcement and a witness that was part of the incident agree with the facts that are known to the public: Two young men in their mid twenties were driving eraticly; a plain clothes investigator witnessed it, called for uniform back up in marked squad cars and followed them; upon reaching their apartment the investigator confronted them in the public lawn in front of their building; the investigators gun was covered by his shirt, but no one is sure if his badge on his belt was conceled; it is not stated by either side at this point if he identified himself as LE; the young men were drinking beer; one of the youths got into a wrestling match with the investigator; suddenly the youth jumped up off the ground and the investigator fired four shots, unknown number hit the youth in the chest; the youth grasped his chest and said "I'm done ... I'm done," he stumbled around the corner, and fell where he died.
Everyone is screaming excesive use of force. Maybe, maybe not. What was said, and what went on in the tussle on the ground. If you are going to fight with the police you will lose! It just surprises me that all media accounts have the exact same thing coming from both sides, but the public is still crying "cover-up."
Bottom line in both of these is that the police had probable cause to check something out, both civilians offered resistance, and both are unhappy with the results (one more than the other). I will reserve condemnation until more info comes forward, but I go back to "If you are going to fight with the police you will pay a price."
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The Supreme Post Turtle showed his brilliiance again. He begins with "I'm not aware of all the facts." and then the chief law enforcement official in the nation ends with calling the Cambridge Police "stupid."
What a doofus!!! >:(
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My Dad has been a cop in Daytona Beach for over 30 years now, and one of the things he always told me was even if you know you are right and you did nothing wrong, when a cop stops you or asks to see id or wants to ask you a few questions, be nice and courteous. Answer questions to a point until you think you might need a lawyer.
Even if the cops were racial profiling, if the guy just complied and was nice about what was going on, he would not have been arrested and he could have called the president after the cops left and told him what happened.
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My Dad has been a cop in Daytona Beach for over 30 years now, and one of the things he always told me was even if you know you are right and you did nothing wrong, when a cop stops you or asks to see id or wants to ask you a few questions, be nice and courteous. Answer questions to a point until you think you might need a lawyer.
Even if the cops were racial profiling, if the guy just complied and was nice about what was going on, he would not have been arrested and he could have called the president after the cops left and told him what happened.
If it were racial profiling it would have been the neighbor that called in the suspious actions of the good Dr. breaking into his home.
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CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – The Cambridge police commissioner says his department is "deeply pained" by President Barack Obama's statement that his officers "acted stupidly" when they arrested a renowned black scholar in his home.
In his first statement since the arrest, Commissioner Robert Haas on Thursday commended the arresting officer, Sgt. James Crowley. Haas said Crowley's actions were in no way motivated by racism.
Crowley, who is white, has been criticized for arresting Henry Louis Gates Jr. last week. Police say Gates flew into a verbal rage when officers asked him for identification while investigating a report of a break-in.
On Wednesday, Obama said officers "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates. On Thursday, he softened his stance and said cooler heads should have prevailed.
Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.
So to recap, the Post Turtle calls the cops stupid for arresting a black man who's authority issues, big mouth, and belligerent attitude pissed off the wrong person who is an academy instructor in racial profiling and hand picked by a (black) former commissioner.
Did I leave anything out?
This kind of crap makes me ill.
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It's hardly been even 7 months and....."I'm tired of being beaten down by the Man!"
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In an unprecedented move, BHO fired the police commissioner today and assumed responsibilities himself. All is now better.
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I think Gates should have said "I pay YOUR SALARY!" because that would have been better than "I will go talk to your mama outside!"
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Interesting read from Salon of all places.
Skip Gates, please sit down
You are suffering from what I call the "Ivy League Effect"
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/07/24/gates/ (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/07/24/gates/)
FTA: "Which brings me to Skip Gates. He isn’t outraged because he feels he was the victim of racial profiling by the police (that dubious honor goes to his foolish neighbor) [in fact, the woman who called the police is not a neighbor, but works nearby]. He’s outraged because he was the victim of class profiling. He didn’t resent being identified as black; he resented being identified as that kind of black, the kind of black that can be hassled and pushed around by simpleton cops. How dare you hassle me? I’m Skip Gates: Harvard professor!"
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Getting even better....
Cop Who Arrested Gates Not Ruling Out Defamation Lawsuit
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8163051&page=1
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In this Age of "Hussein" Obama - 'FACTS' aren't the point: emotionally driving the 'HERD' (that's us folks) in the direction they want us going in is where the tire meets the road...there's no Truth/Facts insofar as what's going on in Washington DC today; and to think, we never could have gotten here had there not been a deceptive 'WOLF' (a Judas-Goat) in the administration of GW Bush setting the stage for all that's since followed with the rising up of this anointed full-of-baloney-one from Kenya...
...facts as I see them is, "Hussein" Obama who can't produce original birth certificate and who's mostly muslim having received one of the highest medals Saudi Arabia can give (have to be muslim in good standing to get that...); only 6% of him is actually 'black'; is about doing with race relations in America what George W Bush did with the whole rightwing of America: breaking it into thousands and thousands of fragmented pieces...and as the good Lord stated becoming all the more obvious, a house divided won't stand...
Alex Jones over at infowars.com is still cutting-edge ahead of anyone else regardling this play on Americans by these elites/globalist/bankers flipping everything America on its head...
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Here is the press conference that the police just had......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcDLFcwdIzQ
They did a really good job showing that they stand by Crowley..... I also enjoyed the way they called out Obama and the case that they made that he needs to apologize.
Whats Obama's response? He blames the media:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-O31P22r_s
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Whats Obama's response? He blames the media:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-O31P22r_s
One more round of our mouthy leader trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
When his handlers and puppeteers aren't controlling him and the real him escapes, we see him for the master deliverer of other's words, but nothing other than an empty shell.
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IMHO, everybody involved was, indeed, stupid.
1) Gates, who was understandably pissed about being unable to get in his house, shot his mouth off, and assumed racism. He was, however, supposedly in his home where you don't need to bow to the police, the FBI, or anyone else who, once they realize their mistake - should get the hell out. I guess many here believe a certain amount of cowtowing IS always appropriate where our masters are concerned??? I thought everybody here thought they were citizens not subjects? Politeness to the police, while safe, is hardly mandatory in a republic of equals.
2) The cop, who as a professional, should realize people get pissed and still have the right to be assholes or not in their own house after committing no crime. The proper LEO response to, "Give me your name and badge number!!" is to give it, roll your eyes, and go laugh about it with your friends. I assume the cop WAS an ass, as he reacted as one. American police don't arrest you and drag you from your home for not being respectful enough.
3) Obama, who perhaps knows about assholes with badges, for siding with his friend by calling the cops stupid. Hey, at least he wasn't the typical professional DC slug with the (always smart but dishonest), "I don't know enough about the case to comment."
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There is a piece of this that Dr. Gates does not address - What did he say or do to escalate this to the point he was arrested? The officer, before he was advised to quit talking publicly, talks of being let in the house and asking for ID. The officer also goes into the "good Dr." becoming agitated. Has Gates been carrying this race chip on his shoulder and just waiting for this chance? Something happened between these two, and it wasn't physical or the standard practices would have been different.
In my mind, based on the facts as laid out by both sides, this call by someone concerning suspicsious activity could have been handled easily if ID had just been presented. I'm sure the officer could have been on edge, but his job puts him in that position hourly. I'm also sure that Gates was frustrated with the visit after needing to break into his own home, but why get so upset when someone is just trying to protect your neighborhood?
I also can not get out of my mind how quick the race issue came up in the actual event, and how Gates and the Pres. won't let go of it. "Perfect Storm" is all I can say :(
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There is a piece of this that Dr. Gates does not address - What did he say or do to escalate this to the point he was arrested? The officer, before he was advised to quit talking publicly, talks of being let in the house and asking for ID. The officer also goes into the "good Dr." becoming agitated. Has Gates been carrying this race chip on his shoulder and just waiting for this chance? Something happened between these two, and it wasn't physical or the standard practices would have been different.
In my mind, based on the facts as laid out by both sides, this call by someone concerning suspicsious activity could have been handled easily if ID had just been presented. I'm sure the officer could have been on edge, but his job puts him in that position hourly. I'm also sure that Gates was frustrated with the visit after needing to break into his own home, but why get so upset when someone is just trying to protect your neighborhood?
I also can not get out of my mind how quick the race issue came up in the actual event, and how Gates and the Pres. won't let go of it. "Perfect Storm" is all I can say :(
Lets not forget that the neighbor corroborated the cops' story as the truth.
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Since this happened in my back yard, it's been central to every local news event since it started. As I said, until I read it on the board, I was unaware that Gates was black.
Since, I've been reminded every time this angry, elitist, overbearing wanker sticks his nose in a camera.
In all the lengthy interviews I've seen (NBC only has snipets and soundbites), the Cop has been far and away the more gracious of the parties involved including the POTUS. I hope he tells Obama, "thanks but no thanks" to the offer of a beer at the White House. I know I would never entertain the offer myself, under any circumstances. The flip-side, when Gates sticks his mug out there and speaks, he sounds like prick.
The cop has said repeatedly that he has no intention of apologizing and may pursue defamation and libel charges against the good Dr.. I sincerely hope he does because it's high time it's publicized that the bigotry is coming from the opposite side of the equation.
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IMHO, everybody involved was, indeed, stupid.
1) Gates, who was understandably pissed about being unable to get in his house, shot his mouth off, and assumed racism. He was, however, supposedly in his home where you don't need to bow to the police, the FBI, or anyone else who, once they realize their mistake - should get the hell out. I guess many here believe a certain amount of cowtowing IS always appropriate where our masters are concerned??? I thought everybody here thought they were citizens not subjects? Politeness to the police, while safe, is hardly mandatory in a republic of equals.
2) The cop, who as a professional, should realize people get pissed and still have the right to be assholes or not in their own house after committing no crime. The proper LEO response to, "Give me your name and badge number!!" is to give it, roll your eyes, and go laugh about it with your friends. I assume the cop WAS an ass, as he reacted as one. American police don't arrest you and drag you from your home for not being respectful enough.
3) Obama, who perhaps knows about assholes with badges, for siding with his friend by calling the cops stupid. Hey, at least he wasn't the typical professional DC slug with the (always smart but dishonest), "I don't know enough about the case to comment."
You obviously did not read the Police report I linked to,
1) The Officer had "probable cause", Some one had reported 2 guys prying open the door of a house, since the unidentified black male was a burglary suspect, the cop had EVERY right to be in the house.
2) The officer DID give his name and badge number TWICE.
3) The cop that you, in your ignorance, are so quick to condemn, was appointed by a BLACK, Police Commisioner, to be in charge of TRAINING in NOT profiling.
4) No Obama was not the "typical professional DC slug with the (always smart but dishonest), "I don't know enough about the case to comment." Instead he said I don't know the facts and proceeded to make an ass of himself . Kind of like you.
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Lets not forget that the neighbor corroborated the cops' story as the truth.
Half a dozen neighbors.
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http://patterico.com/2009/07/24/the-officer-didnt-stereotype-henry-louis-gates-henry-louis-gates-stereotyped-the-officer/
The Officer Didn’t Stereotype Henry Louis Gates — Henry Louis Gates Stereotyped the Officer
Racism is simply a form of stereotyping. Stereotyping occurs when one says: because of my past experiences with people from your group, as well as things I have heard about people from your group, I am forming a firm opinion about you.
Racism is simply one form of that attitude, in which “people from your group” means “black people.”
Oddly, however, many black people feel perfectly comfortable engaging in a similar form of stereotyping, in which “people from your group” means “police officers” or “white people” — or, best of all, “white police officers.” Apparently, stereotyping those groups is a laudable pursuit.
The Henry Louis Gates arrest is yet another reminder of how quick some black people are to leap to unflattering conclusions about others based on scant evidence. Mickey Kaus reads Gates’s account of his arrest, and makes this observation:
Just reading this passage–Gates’ own words–it seems to me he pops into litigious mode a little quickly. He says he wanted to file a complaint “because of the way he treated me at the front door.” How had he mistreated him at the front door? He asked him ‘Would you step outside onto the porch?’ (where, as Gates notes, the cop would have more rights). When Gates refuses and instead gives the cop an ID, the cop looks at the ID. And at that point Gates has already determined he’s been treated unfairly. He’s already refusing to answer questions and planning to file a complaint. Again, from his own words it looks like he rushes a bit to the conclusion that a white man in a similar situation would have been treated differently. Is that really true?
Is it really true? Gates has no basis to say. All he has is a collection of prejudices about the group to which the officer belonged: white police officers. And based on that collection of prejudices, Gates leapt to a conclusion — this police officer is a racist. The evidence is strong that the conclusion was wrong: the officer teaches classes in avoiding racial profiling and was responding to a legitimate report from a citizen. Gates should have realized that his own actions in forcing entry to the house had aroused legitimate suspicions. But Gates didn’t employ common sense, or make an effort to learn something about the man in front of him. He simply stereotyped him.
And in apologizing for Gates, black firebrands and white liberals patronizingly excuse techniques of stereotyping that they would condemn in a racist.
Form an image of a racist in your mind: someone who watches a TV report about a crime committed by a black person, and says: “I’m not surprised. That’s how black people are: they’re all criminals.” Is this racist attitude justified if the racist says:
I’m sorry I have this bad attitude about black people, but I have seen and heard bad things about black people all my life. I know they commit a lot of crimes, and in fact, I have been robbed by three separate black people in my life.
Now, form an image in your mind of a black person who watches a TV report about police brutality, and says: “I’m not surprised. That’s how those white cops are: they’re all racists.” Is this attitude justified if the black person says:
I’m sorry I have this bad attitude about white cops, but I have seen and heard bad things about white cops all my life. I know they hassle black people, and in fact, I have been mistreated by three separate white cops in my life.
For some reason, people who would never accept the racist’s justification of his racist attitudes, will nod their heads in approval as black people expound on why they believe all white cops are racists based upon their own personal experiences.
Henry Louis Gates stereotyped Sgt. Crowley. He formed an opinion about Sgt. Crowley based on evidence that was far too limited to justify the conclusion. He formed that opinion based on prejudices he had collected over the course of his life about the group to which Sgt. Crowley belonged. That opinion — that Sgt. Crowley was a racist who needed to be educated about racial profiling — turned out to be wrong.
Gates’s mental process was the same mental process that a racist uses to decide that someone like Gates is less than human. It’s an ignorant way of looking at the world, hardly befitting a Harvard professor. Liberals ought not to applauding such stereotyping. They should be fighting it.
It’s a shame that they don’t. And I don’t think they ever will.
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Since this happened in my back yard, it's been central to every local news event since it started. As I said, until I read it on the board, I was unaware that Gates was black.
Since, I've been reminded every time this angry, elitist, overbearing wanker sticks his nose in a camera.
In all the lengthy interviews I've seen (NBC only has snipets and soundbites), the Cop has been far and away the more gracious of the parties involved including the POTUS. I hope he tells Obama, "thanks but no thanks" to the offer of a beer at the White House. I know I would never entertain the offer myself, under any circumstances. The flip-side, when Gates sticks his mug out there and speaks, he sounds like prick.
The cop has said repeatedly that he has no intention of apologizing and may pursue defamation and libel charges against the good Dr.. I sincerely hope he does because it's high time it's publicized that the bigotry is coming from the opposite side of the equation.
This goes back to my first post - The first person to identify race in this was Gates during his rants with the officer, and since it has been Gates, Pres. BHO, Jackson and Sharpton. The race card is just like "small man syndrome" - over compensation and blaming something else for your own personal short comings.
I can't understand the racial profiling issue at all. Racial profiling is when an officer approaches someone strictly based on their race. This officer was responding by a complaint called in.
I fully believe that if we dig deep enough into the good dr's writings and course material we would find that descrimination and racism are major parts of what he builds his teachings around ... poor me, poor us, it's all your fault ...
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"Gates’s mental process was the same mental process that a racist uses to decide that someone like Gates is less than human. "
People like Gates ARE less than human, arrogant self righteous assholes deserve anything that happens to them regardless of race
This goes back to my first post - The first person to identify race in this was Gates during his rants with the officer, and since it has been Gates, Pres. BHO, Jackson and Sharpton. The race card is just like "small man syndrome" - over compensation and blaming something else for your own personal short comings.
I can't understand the racial profiling issue at all. Racial profiling is when an officer approaches someone strictly based on their race. This officer was responding by a complaint called in.
I fully believe that if we dig deep enough into the good dr's writings and course material we would find that descrimination and racism are major parts of what he builds his teachings around ... poor me, poor us, it's all your fault ...
You don't have to dig very deep at all to find exactly that. The original story said he held the W.E.B. DuBois chair at Harvard. W.E.B. DuBois was a black power communist organizer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois
Du Bois became impressed by the growing strength of Imperial Japan following the Japanese victory in the Russo-Japanese War. He saw the victory of Japan over Tsarist Russia as an example of "colored pride." Hikida Yasuichi ran Japan's "Negro Propaganda Operations." After traveling to the United States to speak with students at Howard University, Scripps College, and Tuskegee University, Yasuichi influenced Du Bois's opinions of Imperial Japan. In 1936, Yasuichi and the Japanese ambassador arranged a trip to Japan for Du Bois and a small group of academics.[24] The trip was to include stops in Japan, China, and the Soviet Union. The Soviet stop was canceled after Karl Radek, Du Bois's diplomatic contact, was swept up in Stalin's purges. While on the Chinese leg of the trip, Du Bois commented that the source of Chinese-Japanese enmity was China's "submission to white aggression and Japan's resistance." He asked the Chinese people to welcome the Japanese as liberators. Du Bois joined a large group of African-American academics who cited the Mukden Incident to justify Japan's occupation and annexation of the formerly European-held southern Manchuria.
Communism and activism
Du Bois was one of a number of African-American leaders investigated by the FBI, which claimed in May 1942 that "his writing indicates him to be a socialist".[37] He was chairman of the Peace Information Center at the start of the Korean War, and among the signers of the Stockholm Peace Pledge, which opposed the use of nuclear weapons.
In 1950, at the age of 82, Du Bois ran for U.S. Senator from New York on the American Labor Party ticket and polled a little over 200,000 votes, about 4 % of the total. Although he lost, Du Bois remained committed to the progressive labor cause. In 1958, he would join with Trotskyists, ex-Communists and independent radicals in proposing the creation of a united left-wing coalition to challenge for seats in elections for the New York State Senate and Assembly.
In the March 16, 1953, upon the death of Joseph Stalin, Du Bois controversially wrote of him in The National Guardian:
Joseph Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th century approach his stature. He was simple, calm and courageous. He seldom lost his poise; pondered his problems slowly, made his decisions clearly and firmly; never yielded to ostentation nor coyly refrained from holding his rightful place with dignity. He was the son of a serf but stood calmly before the great without hesitation or nerves. But also - and this was the highest proof of his greatness - he knew the common man, felt his problems, followed his fate.[38]
While Stalin had fallen into disfavor among most of the American left of that era, and Communism had come to be regarded as "the god that failed" in the eyes of such African-American luminaries as Ralph Ellison and Richard Wright, Du Bois, apparently not believing reports of Stalin's purges and dismissing them as propaganda, persisted in his admiration for Stalin.[39] He was frequently challenged for his support of Stalin, particularly after Khrushchev's 1956 "Cult of Personality" speech which seemed to further evidence Stalin's purges. Having once, after a 1920s visit to Russia, observed that "Russia is the victim of a determined propaganda of lies", he remained persistently skeptical of American media reports regarding the USSR; when challenged as to his beliefs on Stalin in 1956, in one instance he conceded that "[Stalin] was probably too cruel; but... he conquered Hitler."[39]
In regards to Soviet intervention in Hungary in 1956, the 88-year old Du Bois defended the USSR, suggesting that the Hungarian Revolution was a plot of "landlords and fascists".[40] For this he has been criticized, by some historians, for allegedly succumbing to dogmatism; while he was "one of the great pioneers of anti-colonialist scholarship", he was "a headstrong idealist: he idealized Stalinism... He saw what he wished and needed to see, and thus he replicated the hard, domineering consciousness he condemned."[40]
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"Gates’s mental process was the same mental process that a racist uses to decide that someone like Gates is less than human. "
People like Gates ARE less than human, arrogant self righteous assholes deserve anything that happens to them regardless of race
You don't have to dig very deep at all to find exactly that. The original story said he held the W.E.B. DuBois chair at Harvard. W.E.B. DuBois was a black power communist organizer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois
Du Bois became impressed by the growing strength of Imperial Japan following the Japanese victory in the Russo-Japanese War. He saw the victory of Japan over Tsarist Russia as an example of "colored pride." Hikida Yasuichi ran Japan's "Negro Propaganda Operations." After traveling to the United States to speak with students at Howard University, Scripps College, and Tuskegee University, Yasuichi influenced Du Bois's opinions of Imperial Japan. In 1936, Yasuichi and the Japanese ambassador arranged a trip to Japan for Du Bois and a small group of academics.[24] The trip was to include stops in Japan, China, and the Soviet Union. The Soviet stop was canceled after Karl Radek, Du Bois's diplomatic contact, was swept up in Stalin's purges. While on the Chinese leg of the trip, Du Bois commented that the source of Chinese-Japanese enmity was China's "submission to white aggression and Japan's resistance." He asked the Chinese people to welcome the Japanese as liberators. Du Bois joined a large group of African-American academics who cited the Mukden Incident to justify Japan's occupation and annexation of the formerly European-held southern Manchuria.
Communism and activism
Du Bois was one of a number of African-American leaders investigated by the FBI, which claimed in May 1942 that "his writing indicates him to be a socialist".[37] He was chairman of the Peace Information Center at the start of the Korean War, and among the signers of the Stockholm Peace Pledge, which opposed the use of nuclear weapons.
In 1950, at the age of 82, Du Bois ran for U.S. Senator from New York on the American Labor Party ticket and polled a little over 200,000 votes, about 4 % of the total. Although he lost, Du Bois remained committed to the progressive labor cause. In 1958, he would join with Trotskyists, ex-Communists and independent radicals in proposing the creation of a united left-wing coalition to challenge for seats in elections for the New York State Senate and Assembly.
In the March 16, 1953, upon the death of Joseph Stalin, Du Bois controversially wrote of him in The National Guardian:
Joseph Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th century approach his stature. He was simple, calm and courageous. He seldom lost his poise; pondered his problems slowly, made his decisions clearly and firmly; never yielded to ostentation nor coyly refrained from holding his rightful place with dignity. He was the son of a serf but stood calmly before the great without hesitation or nerves. But also - and this was the highest proof of his greatness - he knew the common man, felt his problems, followed his fate.[38]
While Stalin had fallen into disfavor among most of the American left of that era, and Communism had come to be regarded as "the god that failed" in the eyes of such African-American luminaries as Ralph Ellison and Richard Wright, Du Bois, apparently not believing reports of Stalin's purges and dismissing them as propaganda, persisted in his admiration for Stalin.[39] He was frequently challenged for his support of Stalin, particularly after Khrushchev's 1956 "Cult of Personality" speech which seemed to further evidence Stalin's purges. Having once, after a 1920s visit to Russia, observed that "Russia is the victim of a determined propaganda of lies", he remained persistently skeptical of American media reports regarding the USSR; when challenged as to his beliefs on Stalin in 1956, in one instance he conceded that "[Stalin] was probably too cruel; but... he conquered Hitler."[39]
In regards to Soviet intervention in Hungary in 1956, the 88-year old Du Bois defended the USSR, suggesting that the Hungarian Revolution was a plot of "landlords and fascists".[40] For this he has been criticized, by some historians, for allegedly succumbing to dogmatism; while he was "one of the great pioneers of anti-colonialist scholarship", he was "a headstrong idealist: he idealized Stalinism... He saw what he wished and needed to see, and thus he replicated the hard, domineering consciousness he condemned."[40]
Damn ... I hate being a lucky guesser >:(
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On the other hand (At least read the last lines, why is the cop regretful and the police dept calling it regretable and unfortunate incident if they are RIGHT??? (From Gawker.com, whatever that is, oh, and a comment from there on this article: Now which one is the public servant with the gun who's supposed to be trained -- and for God's sake, training others -- to handle such a situation without escalating it? And why should I simply accept that people with guns and badges are allowed to be petty tyrants because they have "issues"? And who can I hire to protect me from the people who are supposed to be protecting me? )
Begin article:
Since Barack Obama weighed in on the arrest of Henry Louis Gates, we thought it was worthwhile to do a close reading of the law and the arrest report to see just how stupid the Cambridge Police Department was.
This account is based on the police report, a statement from Gates' lawyer, interviews by Gates given after the arrest, and a radio interview that the arresting officer gave this morning.
The Call
At around 12:45 p.m., Lucia Whalen called 911 to report two African American men wearing backpacks attempting to break into a house on Ware St. in Cambridge. Whalen works at Harvard Magazine, the offices of which are located a few doors down from Gates' home. She told Sgt. Crowley when he arrived that "her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he was trying to force entry." The man wedging his shoulder into the door was Gates' driver, and the other African American man with him was Gates. The men had just returned from Logan Airport, where Gates had landed after a trip to China. He found the lock broken on his front door—apparently as a result of an attempted break-in while he was away—and his driver was helping him get the door open so he could get his luggage in. Up to this point, both Gates and Obama say the whole thing is kosher: "I'm glad that this lady called 911," Gates has said. In recounting the story last night, Obama said, "There was a report called into the police station that there might be a burglary taking place — so far, so good, right?"
The Confrontation
Sgt. James Crowley arrived at Gates' house shortly after the call. He was alone. He walked up onto the porch, saw Gates standing in the foyer through a glass pane in the door, and asked him to step out onto the porch. According to the accounts of both men, Gates refused. Is that illegal? Massachusetts law makes it a crime to disobey the order of a police officer if you're operating a motor vehicle, but we couldn't find a similar statute that would have required Gates to obey Crowley's request. Even if there is one, Gates was never charged with violating it.
According to both men, Crowley—still standing on the porch—told him Gates was there to investigate a break-in. According to Crowley, Gates interrupted him, saying, "Why, because I am a black man in America?" At this point, according to Crowley, Gates didn't strike him as "someone who would break into a house." Still, he found "the way [Gates] responded to [his] routing inquiries peculiar" and accused him in the police report of "yelling" and "exclaiming."
Crowley's ID
According to Crowley, Gates "demanded to know who I was." Gates phrased the request differently: He says he asked for Crowley's "name and badge number." The distinction is important: Crowley claims that he complied with Gates' request by identifying himself as "Sgt. Crowley," while Gates says "he did not produce any identification nor did he respond to Professor Gates's request for this information." It's clear from the accounts of both men that Crowley did not provide Gates with a complete answer to his question—Crowley doesn't say that he told Gates his badge number or first name, nor did he turn over the identification card bearing that information that police officers in Massachusetts are required to carry and, by law, "shall be exhibited upon lawful request for purposes of identification." (Crowley said he was prepared to furnish the card, but that Gates turned away from the door and walked to his kitchen before he could hand it over.)
Badge numbers are assigned for a reason, and Massachusetts requires its cops to carry ID cards for a reason: Cops can lie about their names, making it difficult or impossible for citizens to file complaints about their behavior after they've departed a scene. If every police officer was assumed to be honest and forthright in all instances, those laws wouldn't be on the books. What's more, there are a lot of people in the Boston area named Crowley, and a lot of them are police officers. Gates asked Crowley to comply with Massachusetts law by furnishing his full name and badge number, and all Crowley told him was that he was a sergeant and that his last name was Crowley. In other words, he did not comply with Gates' request.
Inside the Home
According to Gates, while still on the porch, Crowley asked Gates to provide ID to prove he lived there, and Gates turned to retrieve his Massachusetts driver license and Harvard ID from his wallet in his kitchen. Crowley then followed him into the house. According to Crowley's account, it's unclear how Crowley came to enter the home: At one point he is on the porch, and then Gates turns to pick up a cordless phone, at which point Crowley radioed his dispatcher to say he was "in the residence with someone who appeared to be a resident but very uncooperative." It's not clear who Gates was calling on the cordless phone, but according to Crowley, Gates was asking asking for "the chief" and said he was dealing with a "racist police officer." He was apparently trying to go over Crowley's head and make a complaint. During the entire time he was in Gates' house, according to Crowley, Gates was agitated and angry, telling him "you don't know who you are messing with."
Gates' ID
Crowley was convinced very early on that Gates was not a burglar. Shortly after he entered the house, his report says, he "was led to believe that Gates was lawfully in the residence." But he asked Gates for ID to prove that it was indeed his house. According to Crowley, Gates initially refused, "demanding that I show him identification." Note that Gates didn't ask for Crowley's name—he asked for the identification that Crowley was required by law to furnish. Crowley did not furnish it. Eventually, Gates did give Crowley ID—Crowley says it was a Harvard ID, Gates says it was a Harvard ID and a Massachusetts driver license that bore the address of the house they were in. In any case, Crowley became convinced that Gates was who he said he was.
Leaving the House
As soon as Gates provided a Harvard ID, Crowley says he "radioed and requested the presence of Harvard University Police." Why? What reason would he have to call more police officers to Gates' house after he'd received definitive proof that no crime had been committed and the 911 call was caused by a misunderstanding? Crowley doesn't say. But bewilderingly, he says that after requesting the presence of Harvard police, he prepared to leave. But Gates continued to demand his name, and Crowley says that as he tried to answer, Gates yelled over his "spoken words" with accusations of racism. Gates says that a bronchial infection he picked up in China prevented him from yelling. (A photo of Gates immediately after the arrest, however, appears to show him with his mouth open wide, in mid-shout.) When Gate's asked again for Crowley's name—remember, at this point according to Crowley's account, all Gates still doesn't know Crowley's first name or badge number—Crowley told Gates that if he wanted to continue talking, they would have to do it outside of Gates' home. Crowley's explanation for this is that the "acoustics" in Gates' kitchen and foyer, where the men were arguing, made it difficult for him to communicate over his radio.
It would seem that Gates should have just let Crowley leave and be done with it. Another way of looking at it, however, is that Crowley told Gates, essentially: I will tell you my name if you come outside with me. If Gates was contemplating filing a complaint with the Cambridge Police Department about Crowley's behavior, and if he anticipated being told "there are three Sgt. Crowleys—which one was it?", then the reasonable course of action would be to follow Crowley outside.
The Arrest
When the men stepped out onto Gates' porch, according to Crowley, there were "several Cambridge and Harvard University police officers assembled on the sidewalk," as well as Lucia Whalen and "at least seven unidentified passersby." Crowley claims that the crowd was "looking in the direction of Gates," the implication being that his shouting and insults were causing a scene. Of course, the presence of several police cars and officer might also tend to attract passersby. And given the fact that these particular passersby were already there prior to Gates' exiting his house, that would be a reasonable assumption.
As Crowley left the porch, Gates continued to yell at him. Even though Crowley had implied that he would provide Gates with his name once they left the house, he did not. Gates' "outburst," Crowley says, caused the assembled police officers to appear "surprised and alarmed." This would appear to be an attempt on Crowley's part to establish evidence of disorderly conduct—"people were alarmed!" Crowley warned Gates at least twice that he was at risk of being arrested for disorderly conduct—upon the second warning, he wielded his handcuffs to demonstrate that he was serious. Then he stepped up onto the porch and placed Gates under arrest. Initially, Gates resisted him, protesting that he would fall without the use of his cane. Crowley "properly applied" the cuffs, loosened them at Gates' request, and hauled him to jail.
The Crime
Gates was charged with violating Chapter 272, Section 53 of Massachusetts' state code, which reads in full:
Common night walkers, common street walkers, both male and female, common railers and brawlers, persons who with offensive and disorderly acts or language accost or annoy persons of the opposite sex, lewd, wanton and lascivious persons in speech or behavior, idle and disorderly persons, disturbers of the peace, keepers of noisy and disorderly houses, and persons guilty of indecent exposure may be punished by imprisonment in a jail or house of correction for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than two hundred dollars, or by both such fine and imprisonment.
Gates is clearly not a street walker, railer, or brawler. His language may have "accosted or annoyed" someone of the opposite sex—the only female whose presence at the scene was documented is Lucia Whalen, but we don't know how annoyed she was by Gates' comments. Gates was clearly not "idle," though he could be potentially be classified as "disorderly" or "disturbing the peace." The latter charge is dependent on Gates' being outside his house—presuming that his yelling wasn't audible on the street when he was inside—which would have been the case had Crowley not refused to fully identify himself to Gates unless Gates followed him outside. Whether one can be a "disorderly person" in one's own home isn't clear. But we suspect that if one could, then Crowley would simply have arrested Gates in his home. There's no evidence from Crowley's report that Gates' behavior escalated after they exited the house. In fact, the most offensive-sounding statement from Gates in Crowley's report—"ya, I'll speak with your mama outside"—was uttered while they were still in Gates' home. The emphasis on the bystanders in Crowley's report and the fact that Gates' "tumultuous behavior" was taking place "in view of the public" implies that, in Crowley's mind, Gates' behavior was legal inside his home and criminal on his porch. In which case Crowley's apparent insistence that he would only fully identify himself to Gates outside his house, because the "acoustics" were bad, sounds more and more like a trap to us.
What is clear is that the city of Cambridge has called the arrest "regrettable and unfortunate," and said that dropping the charges was "in the interests of justice." Crowley himself now says that he "regrets that I put the police department and the city in the position where they have to defend something like this." So if Crowley wasn't stupid, then what, exactly, does he regret?
End article, and any chance the cop was in the right. Read that last paragraph again! Zing! Gonna leave a mark! That cop has that red stinging mark from the "that's thinkin with your dipstick" guy.
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Well, at least you cited your source, onrecess. It's a freakin' NYC gossip site! Are you seriously a teacher? What would you do if a student handed in a paper citing a gossip web site as a source? And do you think a NYC gossip site might actually have a bias, being in NYC? The whole article is a slam against the cop, a focus on his "mistakes".
I was hoping that leaving the Forum for a while to watch the Shuttle launch would calm everyone down a bit from your previous postings. Sadly, you have returned with another inane post.
Personally, I think you need to find another line of work. Mainly because anyone as simplistic and gullible as you should not be around children.
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The Black Officer that was there agreed to the arrest and Gates "strange" behavior.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-ap-us-harvard-scholar-arresting-officer,0,4731766.story
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) — A black police officer who was at Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s home when the black Harvard scholar was arrested says he fully supports how his white fellow officer handled the situation.
Sgt. Leon Lashley says Gates was probably tired and surprised when Sgt. James Crowley demanded identification from him as officers investigated a report of a burglary. Lashley says Gates' reaction to Crowley was "a little bit stranger than it should have been."
Asked if Gates should have been arrested, Lashley said supported Crowley "100 percent."
Gates has said he was the victim of racial profiling.
It wasn't even Gates's house, ITS HARVARDS HOUSE. Just another elitist academic, "above the petty interaction with LEO's"
I'm a Black Harvard Professor, you common constables can't just come and make demands....
Obama is backing off his "stupidly" remark, and will throw Gates under the buss just like Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, etc,..
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Onrecess, I am not surprised by 2 things that are brutally obvious in your post,
1) You STILL have not read the Police report for yourself.
2) Your knee jerk defense of a burglary suspect just because he was black. You are to young to have owned slaves, you have no need to roll in "liberal white guilt", for that matter Gates is to young to have been a slave, therefore has no right to play upon that misguided guilt.
I would also add that if BO is going to preface his comments with I don't have the facts, his best course would be to STFU.
Might be good advice for you as well until you read the police report for your self.
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Damn ... I hate being a lucky guesser >:(
I forgot to quote the parts that talk about his support for Eugenics and selective breeding programs for blacks .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois#On_scientific_racism_and_eugenics
In 1932, Du Bois contributed an essay on birth control to Margaret Sanger’s Birth Control Review. In the article, he accepted the conventional eugenic wisdom that “the more intelligent class” exercised birth control, which meant that “the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that part of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.” He intoned that African Americans “must learn that among human races and groups, as among vegetables, quality and not mere quantity really counts.
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I forgot to quote the parts that talk about his support for Eugenics and selective breeding programs for blacks .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois#On_scientific_racism_and_eugenics
In 1932, Du Bois contributed an essay on birth control to Margaret Sanger’s Birth Control Review. In the article, he accepted the conventional eugenic wisdom that “the more intelligent class” exercised birth control, which meant that “the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that part of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.” He intoned that African Americans “must learn that among human races and groups, as among vegetables, quality and not mere quantity really counts.
Unless you're in the US. Then 'quantity' allows you to take over the government to validate and entitle the 'least intelligent and fit'. Seems the 'unfit' have temporarily become the 'fittest', as they have developed a way to side step the traditional Darwinian definition and provide for themselves until the government teat runs dry.
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For the slightest open minded, read this:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1912778,00.html?xid=rss-nation-yahoo
Like the prior article, this explains why Obama said the arrest was stupid, as did the officer and the police dept (yes, Gracie, that IS what it means when the officer says he wishes his dept didn't have to defend his action and the dept calls the incident unfortunate and regretable). It was obviously false arrest as you cannot be arresed for SAYING a thing insulting to the police or not showing enough respect to LEOs. Please don't bother to say a smart person would realize that in our great country you SHOULD bow to petty tyrants. Where are the defenders of the constitution and our guiding principals? I guess that only applies to TRTBA and the 2nd A, huh?
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Here is what the absurdist, typically stilted police language of Sergeant James Crowley's official report on his arrest of Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates really means:
Gates: You're not the boss of me!
Crowley: I am the boss of you.
Gates: You are not the boss of me!
Crowley: I'll show you. You're under arrest.
There is no crime described in Crowley's official version of the way Gates behaved. Crowley says explicitly that he arrested Gates for yelling. Nothing else, not a single threatening movement, just yelling. On the steps of his own home. Yelling is not a crime. Yelling does not meet the definition of disorderly conduct in Massachusetts. Not a single shouted word or action that Crowley has attributed to Gates amounts to disorderly conduct. That is why the charges had to be dropped.
(Read TIME's report: "Gates' Disorderly Conduct: The Police's Judgment Call")
In classically phony police talk, Crowley refers to "[Gates'] continued tumultuous behavior." When cops write that way, you know they have nothing. What is tumultuous behavior? Here's what it isn't: he brandished a knife in a threatening manner, he punched and kicked, he clenched his fist in a threatening manner, he threw a wrench or, in the Gates house, maybe a book. If the subject does any of those things, cops always write it out with precision. When they've got nothing, they use phrases that mean nothing. Phrases like tumultuous behavior.
Unless you confess to a crime,or threaten to commit a crime, there is nothing you can say to a cop that makes it legal for him to arrest you. You can tell him he is stupid, you can tell him he is ugly, you can call him racist, you can say anything you might feel like saying about his mother. He has taken an oath to listen to all of that and ignore it. That is the real teachable moment here — cops are paid to be professionals, but even the best of them are human and can make stupid mistakes.
We have an uncomfortable choice with Sergeant Crowley. Either he doesn't know what disorderly conduct is or Crowley simply decided to show Gates who's boss the only way he knew how at the time — by whipping out his handcuffs and abusing his power to arrest. Police make the latter choice in this country every day, knowing that the charges are going to have to be dropped.
(See TIME's 10 Questions for Henry Louis Gates Jr.)
We all know that happens. That's why so much of the commentary about this case is obsessed with exactly who said what to whom in the Gates home that day. Most white, and some black, TV talking heads obviously believe that Gates was stupid if he actually exercised his constitutional right to say anything he felt like saying to a cop. Because they know it is not terribly difficult to provoke American police to violate their oaths and the law and arrest people for no legal reason.
The president was right when he called the arrest stupid. It doesn't mean Crowley is stupid. It means that, in that moment, he made a stupid choice. Barack Obama has made some stupid choices on occasion too. We all do. Everyone who is defending Crowley's arrest, including his union, needs to re-read his report. There is a crime described in there. In fact, Sergeant Crowley's report is a written confession of the crime of false arrest.
Lawrence O'Donnell, Jr. is an MSNBC Political Analyst and the author of Deadly Force: The True Story of How a Badge Can Become a License to Kill.
PS: Note the officer and now the union wants this to go away as they realize the cop will soon lose his job, the dept will be disgraced, and the police in general will have their rep further known as petty tyrants and bullies acting illegally. note: No, I don't believe ALL cops are such, but this one clearly is.
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Did ya ever notice how in liberal rags with complete idiots as jounos they never allow comments?
;)
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Did ya ever notice how in liberal rags with complete idiots as jounos they never allow comments?
;)
The wacky Gawker does, in fact. Huffington Post (as liberal as liberal can get and THEN some) does, too. MSNBC has the discussions on opinion articles on newsvine. Kinda of a quick judgement from seeing Time doesn't, wouldn't you say? (I've just shown where the top 2 DO. )
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The wacky Gawker does, in fact. Huffington Post (as liberal as liberal can get and THEN some) does, too. MSNBC has the discussions on opinion articles on newsvine. Kinda of a quick judgement from seeing Time doesn't, wouldn't you say? (I've just shown where the top 2 DO. )
I shouldn't have said 'never', I should have said more often.
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The wacky Gawker does, in fact. Huffington Post (as liberal as liberal can get and THEN some) does, too. MSNBC has the discussions on opinion articles on newsvine. Kinda of a quick judgement from seeing Time doesn't, wouldn't you say? (I've just shown where the top 2 DO. )
There's some real "Reputable sources" right there. ::) When, if ever, are you going to address the FACT that the Officer, an ANTI PROFILING INSTRUCTOR, APPOINTED BY A BLACK POLICE COMMISSIONER, was dealing with a BURGLARY SUSPECT.
Since it doesn't fit your fascist PC agenda most likely never.
Haz, never mind this asshole. You can't argue with either a closed or empty mind. This "guy" doesn't seem to understand that THIS websight is for people who respect traditional American values, not "citizens of the world.
When the revolution comes this is the sort of people we will be putting against the wall and shooting as traitors.
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I fear for the students of this Onrecess character.
Actually, I fear for all students but this guy has been reading vodoo journalism for far too long. If we, as a group, ignore him COMPLETELY, maybe he'll move on to another forum where his opinions and about five bucks can buy him a Mocha Latte Capucinno or some such flavorless beverage.
I know we enjoy calling out these guys but this one ain't gonna come back to the middle, he's gone!
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Namecalling is fun for children, but has anyone shown the BASIS for these articles, (the illegal arrest by a petty tyrant), to be anything but true?
No.
I cannot be done. READ WHAT THE DEPT AND OFFICER SAID!
it is far easier to attack the messenger and bury one's head in the sand than dispute the facts shown.
Read the articles, the charges, the legal definition of the charge in the articles. Indisputable, well- other than name-calling and nonsense. The man was arrested NOT as a buglary suspect, he was arrested for angry words to a petty tyrant. Every police officer, esspecially this supposed expert on race relations, is taught to defuse such situations or leave- NOT illegally arrest a citizen in his home (and rental homes are your home.)
PS: Hazcat, I often feel that every article I want to respond to also has no comments allowed >:( I'm sure I've always said right wing sites allow no comments, too.
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Hey Tim, did you see this other thread ?
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=8001.msg101723#msg101723
Academics, like teenagers, sometimes dont have any sense
regarding the degree to which they are conformists.
So says Thomas Bouchard, the Minnesota psychologist known for his
study of twins raised apart, in a retirement interview with
Constance Holden in the journal Science.
Journalists, of course, are conformists too. So are most other
professions. Theres a powerful human urge to belong inside the
group, to think like the majority, to lick the bosses shoes, and to
win the groups approval by trashing dissenters.
The strength of this urge to conform can silence even those who
have good reason to think the majority is wrong. You âre an expert
because all your peers recognize you as such. But if you start to
get too far out of line with what your peers believe, they will
look at you askance and start to withdraw the informal title of
expert they have implicitly bestowed on you. Then youâll bear the
less comfortable label of maverick, which is only a few stops
short of scapegoat or pariah.
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I did indeed Tom and it's an opinion I share of most, not all, educators that I've run across.
It's painfully obvious this fella ain't no freakin English teacher cause his composition and punctuation sucks. He probably isn't a Math teacher because that requires critical thinking. Sciences? Doubt it.....
At least with FQ, he admits he's a Poly Sci Prof and laments his decision to vote for the Post Turtle. This fella got an ass for a hat and his ears are filled with his own feces. He ain't listening, he's already convinced HIS way is THE way and will drag countless young folks down the path to pain an despair.
We always need a few more Poly Sci majors to fill bartender positions. I understand that McDonalds and BK now require at minimum a Liberal Arts Associate Degree!
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Gates, Wright, Sharpton, Jackson, and others get their power from playing the race card loud and often. Gates saw an opportunity in his privlidged, elitist, mind. He so believes his own indoctrination and self importance that of course the man just had to be putting a black man down. Only this time it wasn't so. Gates picked the wrong person to play his race card against. There will however be no detrimental outcome for Gates and his elitist, racist stature will be elevated.
bHo has shown again that his years of listening to the likes of Wright and others have influenced his racist mindset. Instead of waiting for the facts, he wades into local issues and plays the race card. He will win a few points from those that are like minded, but to many he has shown just how biggoted and racist he is. The police are not the ones that are stupid here as bHo has said. For that he needs to look in the mirror.
I've heard the calls for a national conversation on race or whatever it's being called. Any real disscusion on racism must include discussion of racism practiced by blacks. When the black community comes to the realization that the interest of Gates, Wright, Sharpton, Jackson, bHo, and others are not in their best interest then there is a chance for improved race relationships. These so called leaders do more to keep the black community down than white racism.
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What is clear is that the city of Cambridge has called the arrest "regrettable and unfortunate," and said that dropping the charges was "in the interests of justice." Crowley himself now says that he "regrets that I put the police department and the city in the position where they have to defend something like this." So if Crowley wasn't stupid, then what, exactly, does he regret?
In case you have been sealed in your ivory tower of academia for a protracted period of time, let me translate the statements you quote into plain english.
When the city of Cambridge called the arrest "regrettable and unfortunate" they were saying that it was regrettable and unfortunate that one of your fellow over-educated idiots placed their officer in the position that caused him to make the arrest. When they say the charges were dropped "in the interests of justice" what they are saying is that it was a political decision designed to avoid a potential increase in irrational racial tensions in their jurisdiction. And the officers comments reflect a regret that political correctness required his employer to symbolically throw him under the bus.
You bemoan name calling, Namecalling is fun for children
, yet in your posts you repeatedly refer to this police officer as a "petty tyrant". Sorry, onebraincell, but you can't have it both ways. You shall receive in the same manner as you deliver.
I, for one, am sick to death of self-righteous, pseudo-intellectual, left-wing, politically correct assholes like you and your post-turtle imposter-in-chief assuming racism every time there is an interaction between people of different skin colors. I'm sick to death of your blame the cops first......blame america first.....mentality, the statements of everyone except those with whom you agree be damned!!
In short, I am sick to death of your bullshit.
Have a nice day. Somewhere else.
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Ah, I see the basis for the article cannot be disputed. Thanks for playing. ;D
Sorry, grammar and spelling are the hobgoblins of little minds. Authors find a voice and a style of their own. (Unfortunately, my spelling does suk (sic). Fortunately, no educated person believes this reflects intelligence but rather it illustrates it.
I didn't graduate with highest honors from not being careful enough to write in the expected manner and style. I can also speak with the expected vocabulary, conventions, and jargon... Or I can say, "Jim, ya see that sh!$? That aint right." Neither shows my intellect.
I am, by the way, a Science Teacher. You know, that crazy cult that believes in proof and not blind faith. The Science that allows our life as we know it and scares the feeble minded who fear the ruination of their superstition.
Ahhh! A SCIENCE teacher!!!! Run fer yer lives! Don't let the kiddies hear about the HUNDREDS of "missing links" we like to pretend don't exist.
Pulling your chain is fun. I am assured, as in this thread, that a logical rebuttal is beyond you.
I'm waiting to hear SOMEONE show the legal basis for this arrest. Anyone? (PS: read the disturbing the peace law in the article.) I never thought conservatives would back police abuses in a citizen's home. I guess it depends on the citizen. I never expected conservatives to endorse bowing to an authority figure as "smart" or , God forbid, necessary to avoid arrest. THIS is why I left the Republican Party when Reagan showed up. All that was left was a puppet show and cowtowing to the wealthy and powerful. We've got the modern GW Hoover. Ahh, were is the progressive Republican Teddy Roosevelt? THAT is a Republican. These are merely failed actors. Trickle down indeed! The same failed idea of deregulation that started the first depression. We went from 15 billionairs to 1004 as the middle class lost wages and numbers. How, EXACTLY, does that benefit YOU? A new Republican Pary will appear one day. One that actually does what it claims- like Teddy's. Republicans ruled all three branches. Where are your hot-bed issues? Did they legalize open carry? Outlaw paperwork to buy ammo? Allow full auto ownership? Oulaw abortion? Eliminate medicare, social security, govt healthcare for congressmen, public education, enforce immigration law, etc, etc, etc? Hmm, seems like they played some people for fools. The "Christian" Right finally saw they were considered the lunatic fringe by BOTH parties, ESPECIALLY GWs admin! Wake up call!
Blackwolfe: As far as the race card, the police have a certain rep for picking on the disenfranchized. If Gates is wrong then why was he illegally arrested? For defying (orally) the police? Is that better or worse? If it is just a petty tyrant being business as usual that means all of us better learn to cowtow in our own homes. I'm not sure that paints a better picture than race. It means we are all inferior to the police and better not be uppity to our betters. I would agree, though, that it was about that expected deference and not race. I somehow don't feel better.
And the police call someone elses acts unfortunate and regrettable? BS, they call arrestable behavior a CRIME. THEIR illegal actions are regrettable and unfortunate. The tired attacks of hating or blaming police? He illegally arrested him! How else can you describe it? I judged the cop's illegal act.
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Who keeps farting?
>:(
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Sgt. Crowley will not lose his job, the fellow Sgt. who is a Black man at that, supported the arrest. (previous post). When the audio is released of the entire event, we will all hear the pompous, arrogant, disorderly, disrespectful, boasting of Gates.
He was arrested for being an asshole, it's not on the books, but for the next few hours Gates STFU, got booked, and hopefully, but not likely, learned a lesson.
Chris Rock says to BE POLITE.
Had Gates conducted himself in such a manner worthy of his position, it would have taken 2 minutes, and we never would have heard about this...cause the cops would have left.
Who instigated and ratcheted UP the whole situation? Uh, that would be the professor.....
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Sgt. Crowley will not lose his job, the fellow Sgt. who is a Black man at that, supported the arrest. (previous post). When the audio is released of the entire event, we will all hear the pompous, arrogant, disorderly, disrespectful, boasting of Gates.
He was arrested for being an asshole, it's not on the books, but for the next few hours Gates STFU, got booked, and hopefully, but not likely, learned a lesson.
Chris Rock says to BE POLITE.
Had Gates conducted himself in such a manner worthy of his position, it would have taken 2 minutes, and we never would have heard about this...cause the cops would have left.
Who instigated and ratcheted UP the whole situation? Uh, that would be the professor.....
You are correct, sir. The final decision regarding whether or not someone is ticketed, arrested, or even shot by a police officer is not made by the officer. That decision is made by the person (for lack of a better word, "suspect") who causes the police officer to respond in a manner that he or she deems appropriate. In other words, had the good professor simply behaved in a rational manner there would have been no arrest, and nobody would've ever heard about this situation. This is a simple case of what happens when playing the race card blows up in your face.
Are there racist white police officers? Absolutely. Is this officer one of them? Not if you believe what those who know him have to say about him. Are there racist black academics? Apparently. Is the good professor one of them? Without question.
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Ever notice how libs - when they get worked up on something - tend to write longer and longer posts each time they have something to say? Written equivalent of yelling and waving their hands and talkin gover you I guess. I expect his next one to be damn near a whole page long, if anyone cares to tweak his nose one more time.
What the hell, I'll do it. OK, so you went from a NYC gossip rag to a NYC shit rag (Time) and an article written by a crack writer from MSNBC - not even one of their own reporters - with an ax to grind, viz. "Lawrence O'Donnell, Jr. is an MSNBC Political Analyst and the author of Deadly Force: The True Story of How a Badge Can Become a License to Kill."
I give you an F for this work. Go sit down and think about what you've done.
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I had a teacher like this in school. I eventually irritated him to the point of being verbally abusive to me in the presence of the entire class and he was placed on probation. Some people can be led to the precipice and eventually they just take the plunge into oblivion from their own inability to cope with a stressful situation.
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I had a teacher like this in school. I eventually irritated him to the point of being verbally abusive to me in the presence of the entire class and he was placed on probation. Some people can be led to the precipice and eventually they just take the plunge into oblivion from their own inability to cope with a stressful situation.
It's often more satisfying to lead them to the edge and then nudge them over ;D
Even the people on the R/C and computer sites think he's an asshole, start at his second post down then read the reply below it ;D
http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3472.html
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He's a busy little PS teacher.....raving lefty, nowhere near the center.....onrecess, in his own words...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/onrecess?action=comments&display=all&sort=newest
"Murder Threats and the First Amendment;
We can clear this dillema up in one second! While doing so, we will end hate speech! Here is the simple solution: Start a web site/ go on tv/radio. Say that W, Cheney, the 5 Supremes who appointed W , Beck, BillO and Rush are all traitors who should die. List their addresses and schedules. Use the same exact language anti-abortion nuts and right wing talk loonies use. Suddenly, instead of abortion doctors being targets, the right wing elite will be. Should take about a day for them to demand this terrorism be illegal. Compliant Dems, afraid-as always- to be called "soft on terror" , will immediatly change the law. Problem solved!"
posted Jul 07, 2009 at 16:38:19
This man is a Elementary School Science teacher in Boca Raton. I thank God my kids are through the system already...
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Ah, I see the basis for the article cannot be disputed. Thanks for playing. ;D
Sorry, grammar and spelling are the hobgoblins of little minds. Authors find a voice and a style of their own. (Unfortunately, my spelling does suk (sic). Fortunately, no educated person believes this reflects intelligence but rather it illustrates it.
I didn't graduate with highest honors from not being careful enough to write in the expected manner and style. I can also speak with the expected vocabulary, conventions, and jargon... Or I can say, "Jim, ya see that sh!$? That aint right." Neither shows my intellect.
I am, by the way, a Science Teacher. You know, that crazy cult that believes in proof and not blind faith. The Science that allows our life as we know it and scares the feeble minded who fear the ruination of their superstition.
Ahhh! A SCIENCE teacher!!!! Run fer yer lives! Don't let the kiddies hear about the HUNDREDS of "missing links" we like to pretend don't exist.
Pulling your chain is fun. I am assured, as in this thread, that a logical rebuttal is beyond you.
I'm waiting to hear SOMEONE show the legal basis for this arrest. Anyone? (PS: read the disturbing the peace law in the article.) I never thought conservatives would back police abuses in a citizen's home. I guess it depends on the citizen. I never expected conservatives to endorse bowing to an authority figure as "smart" or , God forbid, necessary to avoid arrest. THIS is why I left the Republican Party when Reagan showed up. All that was left was a puppet show and cowtowing to the wealthy and powerful. We've got the modern GW Hoover. Ahh, were is the progressive Republican Teddy Roosevelt? THAT is a Republican. These are merely failed actors. Trickle down indeed! The same failed idea of deregulation that started the first depression. We went from 15 billionairs to 1004 as the middle class lost wages and numbers. How, EXACTLY, does that benefit YOU? A new Republican Pary will appear one day. One that actually does what it claims- like Teddy's. Republicans ruled all three branches. Where are your hot-bed issues? Did they legalize open carry? Outlaw paperwork to buy ammo? Allow full auto ownership? Oulaw abortion? Eliminate medicare, social security, govt healthcare for congressmen, public education, enforce immigration law, etc, etc, etc? Hmm, seems like they played some people for fools. The "Christian" Right finally saw they were considered the lunatic fringe by BOTH parties, ESPECIALLY GWs admin! Wake up call!
Blackwolfe: As far as the race card, the police have a certain rep for picking on the disenfranchized. If Gates is wrong then why was he illegally arrested? For defying (orally) the police? Is that better or worse? If it is just a petty tyrant being business as usual that means all of us better learn to cowtow in our own homes. I'm not sure that paints a better picture than race. It means we are all inferior to the police and better not be uppity to our betters. I would agree, though, that it was about that expected deference and not race. I somehow don't feel better.
And the police call someone elses acts unfortunate and regrettable? BS, they call arrestable behavior a CRIME. THEIR illegal actions are regrettable and unfortunate. The tired attacks of hating or blaming police? He illegally arrested him! How else can you describe it? I judged the cop's illegal act.
Not this cop.
Where has it been determined that he was illegally arresested, their actions illegal, and by what authority can YOU judge the cop's act illegal.
Oh I forgot that you are a science teacher that has graduated with the highest honors by cowtowing to the expected manner. That must have been an extremely bitter pill to swallow for such a self rightous, narcissistic, elitist professor such as yourself. I guess that gives you the self professed right to judge this cop and I as a simple man am simply at the bottom of the food chain and therfore count for nothing.
I may not articulate well and my spelling and grammer leave a lot to be desired but even a simple man, such as myself, can see that Gates and bHo are racist and that you like my college biology professor are nothing more than a pompous ass.
It is greatly disturbing that others being taught, what ever kind of science you claim to teach, are being inflicted with your propagandistic liberal twattle. Like the saying goes: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. An occupation in which you have shown to trully excel.
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So the only response is the authors (whose legal view cannot be disputed) have the "wrong" political bent (of course even a broken clock is right twice a day so there goes that) OR this Gates guy is an ass and "deserved it" for not being properly respectful. He is a racist and "deserves it". Hmm, Y'all must be from a different America than the one with free speech and citizens not subjects. Y'know, those tories knew how to be respectful of the redcoats. Patriots didn't, wouldn't and won't.
PS: Yes, he is an azz and waiting to be treated unfairly. So? That isn't SUPOSED to be illegal.
PSS: I have a fan club who follow me now searching -not for a logical or defensable argument- but for what they see as proof I have the "wrong" opinions. I even have some things that apparently claim to pop out when someone farts. Not sure why they want to claim to pop out like that, I guess it is common here?? ??? I admit I really don't get that.
Sorry it is so short, but there was no substance presented to argue against.
Here, I'll save the replies, "He's a doo-doo."
Oh, and on the RC site a guy sent a letter to the school board and my school! Got a good laugh! T-E-N-U-R-E + union = just cause is required to even TALK to me about any silly azz little problems! I love my job! Especially as it drives the Lulu's crazy. ;D
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Tenure + union leads to misguided opinions of ones own ego-maniacal self worth....
DRTV!!!!......This guy thinks Bill Mahr is a right winger!
Ignore him! He will go away, his history on message boards appears to rather brief when just left to his own demise!
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So the only response is the authors (whose legal view cannot be disputed) have the "wrong" political bent (of course even a broken clock is right twice a day so there goes that) OR this Gates guy is an ass and "deserved it" for not being properly respectful. He is a racist and "deserves it". Hmm, Y'all must be from a different America than the one with free speech and citizens not subjects. Y'know, those tories knew how to be respectful of the redcoats. Patriots didn't, wouldn't and won't.
PS: Yes, he is an azz and waiting to be treated unfairly. So? That isn't SUPOSED to be illegal.
PSS: I have a fan club who follow me now searching -not for a logical or defensable argument- but for what they see as proof I have the "wrong" opinions. I even have some things that apparently claim to pop out when someone farts. Not sure why they want to claim to pop out like that, I guess it is common here?? ??? I admit I really don't get that.
Sorry it is so short, but there was no substance presented to argue against.
Here, I'll save the replies, "He's a doo-doo."
Oh, and on the RC site a guy sent a letter to the school board and my school! Got a good laugh! T-E-N-U-R-E + union = just cause is required to even TALK to me about any silly azz little problems! I love my job! Especially as it drives the Lulu's crazy. ;D
You got a lot of chutzpah talking about "Free speech" you hypocrite, after posting :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/onrecess?action=comments&display=all&sort=newest
we will end hate speech! Here is the simple solution: Start a web site/ go on tv/radio. Say that W, Cheney, the 5 Supremes who appointed W , Beck, BillO and Rush are all traitors who should die.
Your own words.
Embrace diversity as long as it rejects America, If you don't agree with the socialist agenda though you are a psychopath and should be killed.
Go away.
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http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_07_19-2009_07_25.shtml#1248534075
A few months ago I [1]posted a comment on reports that the City of
Philadelphia was disciplining several police officers who had
allegedly made racially derogatory comments while driving around town
in their squad car (accompanied by a journalism student from Temple,
who made the comments public). It struck me then (and strikes me now)
as very troubling as a matter of First Amendment law -- though I was
very surprised to find that most of the VC commenters didn't agree
with me on that.
Now comes a [2]related story involving the Domelights.com website, a
popular Philly-based discussion website frequented by lots of Philly
cops. [Additional commentary can be found [3]here and [4]here] The
website operators (and the City of Philadelphia) have been sued by a
group of African-American police officers (joined by the NAACP) on the
grounds that the website is "infested with racist, white supremacist
and anti-African-American content" and creates a "hostile work
environment" in violation of federal civil rights laws. [The hostile
work environment arises because, according to the suit, "white
officers post on and moderate the privately operated site,
Domelights.com, both on and off the job [and Domelights' users] often
joke about the racially offensive commentary on the site ... or will
mention them in front of black police officers," thus creating "a
racially hostile work environment."]
Domelights.com has - perhaps only temporarily -- shut down as a result
of the suit (which is seeking a permanent injunction against operation
of the site, and/or against any police officers posting to the site).
There are so many outrageous things about this suit I hardly know
where to begin. Put aside the fact that the website is entirely
privately operated, without any support or sanction from the City
(which should allow the City to obtain dismissal of the claims against
it). Put aside the fact that federal law (section 230 of the
Communications Decency Act of 1996) provides that "no provider . . .
of an interactive computer service [like Domelights.com] shall be
treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by
another information content provider [the site's users]." The notion
that a federal court could enjoin the operation of this site because
police officers make racially insensitve/offensive comments there (and
then other officers joke about those comments on-the-job) is Orwellian
-- surely this gets our collective First Amendment antennae vibrating,
no? I'm no expert on federal civil rights law, but if it permits this
suit to go forward it represents another very unfortunate nail in what
is becoming a pretty tight coffin for First Amendment values in this
country, and I genuinely despair of that.
[Full disclosure: I've been approached by the defendant Domelights.com
in regard to this suit, and I am likely to be assisting in the
defense, so I won't pretend to objectivity on this score]
References
1. http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2009_04_19-2009_04_25.shtml#1240580925
2. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/17/police.racism.lawsuit/
3. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20090717_Lawsuit__Cops__Web_site_is_racist.html
4. http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/phillynow/Black-Officers-Sue-PPD-for-Domelightscom-Racism-50960712.html
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Thanks Tom.
As I know "most" of us get it, this isn't even a race issue, it's an assh*** issue. White, Black, Brown, Purple, doesn't matter.
Act like an ass, get arrested.
If it were here in Florida, the BSO's (Broward Sheriff's Office), would have done the same thing EXCEPT drop the charges...
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Onrecess, you might want to consider that I have been asked if I thought a gun owner with such violent thoughts is the sort of person one should be trusting around young children.
It is a concern I have not made up my mind about. I also received this link.
https://www.ridermagazine.com/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/memberprofile/mid/19974742
I'm telling you this not because I don't like you, ( I don't ) but out of concern for the children.
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http://www.pjtv.com/video/AlfonZo_Rachel_Presents%3A_ZoNation/Courting_Disaster%3F_Was_It_Wise_To_Nominate_A_Wise_Latina_and_Then_Pretend_She_Wasn%27t_So_Wise%3F_/2180/
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Onrecess, you might want to consider that I have been asked if I thought a gun owner with such violent thoughts is the sort of person one should be trusting around young children.
It is a concern I have not made up my mind about. I also received this link.
https://www.ridermagazine.com/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/memberprofile/mid/19974742
I'm telling you this not because I don't like you, ( I don't ) but out of concern for the children.
Hey, knock yourself out fella. Want my Mommie's phone number? My School's? My school board? I aint scared. I am easy to find and don't hide behind internet aliases. I fight my own battles. You gonna threaten to tell my mommie or man up and fly down to Boca? i have yet to meet an internet bully who even approached being a man. Read back through that RC forum and find where the last big man was going to meet me at the field but instead said I looked like I enjoyed my groceries. I may be old and fat, but I haven't been afraid of an azzkikin since I was 8. He cried to my school board and school like a little girl. My principal and I laughed our butts off. We shoot together. I'm a veteran. A real non-sniper crap infantry vet. Violent tendencies, please. I was trained for it by the best. You are a wienie. I haven't said that to a boy since I was ten. Go cry to whoever you please. My identity is no secret. My pic is easy to find and so am I, boy. I gotta go wash my hands. I feel like I touched something foul.
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Hey, knock yourself out fella. Want my Mommie's phone number? My School's? My school board? I aint scared. I am easy to find and don't hide behind internet aliases. I fight my own battles. You gonna threaten to tell my mommie or man up and fly down to Boca? i have yet to meet an internet bully who even approached being a man. Read back through that RC forum and find where the last big man was going to meet me at the field but instead said I looked like I enjoyed my groceries. I may be old and fat, but I haven't been afraid of an azzkikin since I was 8. He cried to my school board and school like a little girl. My principal and I laughed our butts off. We shoot together. I'm a veteran. A real non-sniper crap infantry vet. Violent tendencies, please. I was trained for it by the best. You are a wienie. I haven't said that to a boy since I was ten. Go cry to whoever you please. My identity is no secret. My pic is easy to find and so am I, boy. I gotta go wash my hands. I feel like I touched something foul.
Then keep your hands out of your pants.
I'm just telling you that there are some who find the tone of your posts disturbing to say the least.
Your explosive mood swings are another cause for concern.
Have you considered professional help for these issues ?
It might be a good idea.
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I do enjoy your alias Tom...
Full name and zip code. Way to hide in plain sight!
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I do enjoy your alias Tom...
Full name and zip code. Way to hide in plain sight!
;D
What? I had no idea. ???
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I do enjoy your alias Tom...
Full name and zip code. Way to hide in plain sight!
;D
;D You know what they say. There are none so blind as those who WILL not see.
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Hey, knock yourself out fella. Want my Mommie's phone number? My School's? My school board? I aint scared. I am easy to find and don't hide behind internet aliases. I fight my own battles. You gonna threaten to tell my mommie or man up and fly down to Boca? i have yet to meet an internet bully who even approached being a man. Read back through that RC forum and find where the last big man was going to meet me at the field but instead said I looked like I enjoyed my groceries. I may be old and fat, but I haven't been afraid of an azzkikin since I was 8. He cried to my school board and school like a little girl. My principal and I laughed our butts off. We shoot together. I'm a veteran. A real non-sniper crap infantry vet. Violent tendencies, please. I was trained for it by the best. You are a wienie. I haven't said that to a boy since I was ten. Go cry to whoever you please. My identity is no secret. My pic is easy to find and so am I, boy. I gotta go wash my hands. I feel like I touched something foul.
Sad. Very sad. You need to go, onrecess. This is not about conformity, that is not a requirement here. This is about you, the kind of person you present yourself as being. You have little to contribute here other than name calling, insults, poorly thought and structured posts, and so far all of one post about shooting and guns. I am not one of the three Ms, so I have no control over this site. But I will offer this - this is not a forum where you get to be an ass just because you want to be or are one.
In fact, you are the internet bully, as you know you can say anything you want and get away with it. Do you teach the kids to behave in such a way just because they can? I pity their parents, but hell, it's Boca so the kids are probably already self-absorbed and privleged/entitled.
The only thing we can do is endure your inane statements for just so long, and then ask you to leave. Since you won't, we will ask that you be removed. I have done that. It's a first too, so you can notch your whatever, secure in the knowledge that you were the first to be asked out of DRTV.
Until then, fellow DRTV-ers, please ignore his posts, do not respond to him, and let's get on about our business of discussing our thoughts like adults and not like a spoiled little child. Yeah, I called you a name too. It's easy, any juvenile with 2 brain cells to rub together can do it, it proves nothing.
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Hey, knock yourself out fella. Want my Mommie's phone number? My School's? My school board? I aint scared. I am easy to find and don't hide behind internet aliases. I fight my own battles. You gonna threaten to tell my mommie or man up and fly down to Boca? i have yet to meet an internet bully who even approached being a man. Read back through that RC forum and find where the last big man was going to meet me at the field but instead said I looked like I enjoyed my groceries. I may be old and fat, but I haven't been afraid of an azzkikin since I was 8. He cried to my school board and school like a little girl. My principal and I laughed our butts off. We shoot together. I'm a veteran. A real non-sniper crap infantry vet. Violent tendencies, please. I was trained for it by the best. You are a wienie. I haven't said that to a boy since I was ten. Go cry to whoever you please. My identity is no secret. My pic is easy to find and so am I, boy. I gotta go wash my hands. I feel like I touched something foul.
This quoted post above may be an unstable post, does anyone have a psychologist/psychiatrist friend that can look at these posts? Does anyone here think it may be responsible to warn the school district (if he's really a teacher) to look at these statements and especially if he is not a teacher because we really have no confirmation this person is who he says he is? Let's face it, we're on a gun forum, we believe in our 2nd Ammendment rights but, mostly right now, I don't want innocent children potentially exposed to hurt no matter how remote the possibility may be.
Yes, I am concerned about the potential for instability around children. Onrecess, please post your identity along with the principal's and school board's phone numbers along with something that can verify the identity you provide is valid and that you are actually an employed teacher under the principal and school board whose numbers you have said you are "I aint scared." to provide.
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Gee, I'm supposed to hide, huh? See, men don't hide behind the internet or their mom's skirt. Am I supposed to be afraid some idiot kid is going to cry about me? Say he, a moronic teenager, thinks something? Uh, after you reach puberty that egocentricness wears off and you will realize no one really gives a rat's ass what you "think!" . Some inernet tough guy is coming to fight me? Yeah, right. Funny how even the local guy at that forum you loked up couldn't quite actually even speak to my face when he saw me. Posted some baby crap about my )proudly earned) beer belly saying he saw me! Wow! I qivered! just like everyone here, he was only tough on the internet and afraid to give his name. Well, you got mine, boys, what is it going to be? Yeah, what I thought. Why hide behind an alias? Easy, you're little girls. I argue politics here in the biker bars with real men. nobody ever threatened to tell my mom or threatened to go tell my school board I'm scary. I'm a vet, they darn well know I'm scary. Adults understand that grown men are all scary to little boys. Don't worry, even if I cared enough to try to break your infantile internet alias, I don't beat up children or weaklings. Some day, I doubt it but someday, you might be grownups. I didn't realize it was a little boy forum playing big men. I looked up what tommybabybottom said in a post about an EMU. turns out to be some kinds dress up game those teenieboppers at the malls all in makeup. not an adult in America even knows what the heck that is. By the way, pretend internet ranger, drop on by ArmyRanger dot com. Word of warning, every pretend Ranger is looked up and exposed as teeny pretenders.
Go back to yur mommies basements! ;D
i can't believe I got pulled into a talk with children :-[
Keerist! EMU my foot. Snap! All that other teen talk! I looked some up with EMU! Flash! Biters, man! ::)
God, I feel 40 years younger, dudes!
God save us! Oh, sorry, that is old guy's speak for, "How ridiculous is THIS?"
Emu, I'm laughing my azz off!
PS: I post my camping schedule on the rv forum, if I'm not a home! ;D
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Time to step back, take a deep breath and evaluate why we are all here:]
This is a forum by and for shooters, gun owners and pro-Second Amendment people. It is based on the productions of DRTV and expands from there.
Even those of us of like mind have many differing opinions and get into some pretty hot discussions. We are also a very stubborn bunch. That is what verifies the strengths of a person's beliefs.
Newbies are welcome, as are people of different views, but if you are a troll looking to create trouble or a "Brady" looking to divide and conquer you are barking up the wrong tree. If you are not a true believer in this great nation you will have major issues. If you want to play the "call you out game," I don't understand why you fight on the web rather than the local bar.
onrecess - you aren't the first one to rattle cages or get tom wound up ... Tab is great at it, but we keep him around for the avatars ;)
Now ... Back to our keyboards, and come out fighting like the kindergartners we are ;D
P.S.
A good self test to determine if you should be here to not is gauge your response to the phrase "Two to the chest and one to the head."
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It's times like these that a case can be made for mental evalutation to be passed before suffrage.
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It's times like these that a case can be made for mental evalutation to be passed before suffrage.
The Founding Fathers KEPT the property requirement for voting. Some states even raised it from colonial levels.
Prior to Johnsons "Great Society" Welfare recipients lost their right to vote.
Sounds like "Reasonable Regulations" and " Common sense safety requirements".
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090727/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_caller
Mass. police heard calling Gates uncooperative
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – A Cambridge police sergeant who responded to a 911 call about a possible break-in at the home of black Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. told dispatchers that Gates was being uncooperative and to "keep the cars coming."
Another voice can be heard in the background of the transmission, but it is unintelligible and unclear if it is Gates.
Cambridge police released recordings of police radio transmissions and of the 911 call Monday following more than a week of controversy over Gates' July 16 arrest on a disorderly conduct charge. The charge was dropped, but the encounter sparked a national debate about racial profiling.
Gates' supporters called his arrest by Sgt. James Crowley an outrageous act of racial profiling. Crowley's supporters say Gates was arrested because he was belligerent and that race was not a factor.
Interest in the case intensified when President Barack Obama said at a White House news conference last week that Cambridge police "acted stupidly" in arresting Gates. He later tried to quell the uproar about his comments and invited both Gates and Crowley to the White House for a beer, a meeting that could happen this week, according to the White House.
In the 911 recording released Monday, caller Lucia Whalen tells police she saw two men pressing on the door of a home, but says she is unsure whether the men live there or if they were trying to break in. She said she saw two suitcases on the porch.
"I don't know if they live there and they just had a hard time with their key. But I did notice they used their shoulder to try to barge in and they got in. I don't know if they had a key or not cause I couldn't see from my angle," Whalen said.
Whalen does not mention the race of the men she saw until pressed by a dispatcher to describe them. At that point, she said one of the men may have been Hispanic.
In Crowley's report, he said he spoke to Whalen at the scene and she reported seeing two black men on the porch.
Whalen's attorney, Wendy Murphy, said her client did not mention the men's race to Crowley and is upset by news reports she believes have unfairly depicted her as a racist.
"She doesn't live in the area. She is by no means the entitled white neighbor. ... That has been the theme in the blogs and the implication in some of the mainstream news media," Murphy said in a phone interview Monday.
In the radio transmissions, Crowley tells a dispatcher he is at the home where the possible break-in was reported.
"I'm up with a gentleman, says he resides here, but was uncooperative, but keep the cars coming," Crowley said.
In his written police report, Crowley said Gates became angry when he told him he was investigating a report of a break-in, then yelled at him and called him a racist.
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Tom.. the link to http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/gates_incident_report_redacted.pdf has been removed... wonder why............. ::)
A post Racial President.........................
Many people hoped that the election of a black president of the United States would mark our entering a "post-racial" era, when we could finally put some ugly aspects of our history behind us.
That is quite understandable. But it takes two to tango. Those of us who want to see racism on its way out need to realize that others benefit greatly from crying racism. They benefit politically, financially and socially.
Barack Obama has been allied with such people for decades. He found it expedient to appeal to a wider electorate as a post-racial candidate, just as he has found it expedient to say a lot of other popular things – about campaign finance, about transparency in government, about not rushing legislation through Congress without having it first posted on the Internet long enough to be studied – all of which turned to be the direct opposite of what he actually did after getting elected.
Those who were shocked at President Obama's cheap shot at the Cambridge police for being "stupid" in arresting Henry Louis Gates must have been among those who let their wishes prevail over the obvious implications of Obama's 20 years of association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Anyone who can believe that Obama did not understand what the racist rants of Jeremiah Wright meant can believe anything.
With race – as with campaign finance, transparency and the rest – Barack Obama knows what the public wants to hear and that is what he has said. But his policies as president have been the opposite of his rhetoric, with race as with other issues.
(Column continues below)
http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=105230
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I listened to the 911 tapes on the news a few times yesterday. When the officer reports that the man he is with appears to be the resident but requests that the others continue on the officer if very calm and professional. The next clip they played was when the officer asked if the detention van was still coming. At this point he is still very professional, but sounds stressed.
Taking those clips, and they are only sound bites, along with the reports given by both sides my feeling is that this officer was doing the best he could, but right from the start Dr. Gates had an attitude that put him in the position he ended up in.
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Try this link;
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html
The problem with the concept of BO as a "post racial" president is that he continuously used the "race card" during his campaign.
Comments like "I don't look like the Presidents on the money", and the one about, "Antipathy to people who are different" (part of the Clinging to Bibles and guns quote ) Labeling every one who opposed his socialist campaign platform as Racist, and this meddling in a local law enforcement matter, in fact set "Race relations" back to the worst levels since the 60's.
His race baiting and tax policies have the sole objective of buying the votes of brainwashed blacks, Hispanics, and his fellow illegal aliens.
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25851808-23109,00.html
Obama a racist says news commentator
US President Barrack Obama has been called a 'racist' by a leading US news commentator.
Fox News Channel 's Glenn Beck said he believes President Barack Obama is a racist.
He told viewers Mr Obama had "exposed himself as a person with a deep-seated hatred for white people or white culture" after his recent response to the arrest of a black Harvard professor.
Henry Louis Gates was arrested by police while trying to break in to his own home after the door jammed.
Mr Obama said initally said the police acted "stupidly" before later backtracking.
Mr Beck's statement was challenged on the air by host Brian Kilmeade who noted that "most people who work for the nation's first black president are white".
I would of expected this sooner it was bound to happen
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Your right phil, BHO spent 20 years amongst the congregation of Reverend Wright,and it couldn't possibly "sway" the oppression by the white man, or BHO's views........
America's chicken's are comin' home to roost.... and an invitation to have a "beer" is supposed to make it all better.......
Just like a community organizer.........
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From the radio news moments ago -
The lady that called 911 in the Gates case is recieving nothing but grief. In the interview you could tell that if she wasn't in tears she was close, and stated that she is recieving many calls accusing her of being racist, blaming her for the whole controversy and some that even make her fear for her safety. Great! This is how we treat good neighbors that watch out for the well being of those they live near ???
I recommend that she go purchase a handgun, shotgun and rifle for protection of herself and her neighborhood. Next time the good doctor forgets his keys, she can just pick him off from a hundred yards and safe us all this pain!
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This evil woman offended against the "chosen race". Of course she is being harassed by the champions of diversity.
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From the radio news moments ago -
The lady that called 911 in the Gates case is recieving nothing but grief. In the interview you could tell that if she wasn't in tears she was close, and stated that she is recieving many calls accusing her of being racist, blaming her for the whole controversy and some that even make her fear for her safety. Great! This is how we treat good neighbors that watch out for the well being of those they live near ???
I recommend that she go purchase a handgun, shotgun and rifle for protection of herself and her neighborhood. Next time the good doctor forgets his keys, she can just pick him off from a hundred yards and safe us all this pain!
Get used to it folks, it is a standard play out of the leftists' playbook - personal destruction of those who dare - dare mind you - to question The Won. bho said the cop was stupid, and therefore she who summoned the cop is also stupid and deserving of being destroyed.
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How About A National Conversation on Race Hoaxes?
by Ann Coulter
07/29/2009
You could not ask for a more perfect illustration of the thesis of my latest book, Guilty: Liberal Victims and Their Assault on America, than the black president of the United States attacking a powerless white cop for arresting a black Harvard professor -- in a city with a black mayor and a state with a black governor -- as the professor vacations in Martha's Vineyard.
In modern America, the alleged "victim" is always really the aggressor, and the alleged "aggressor" is always the true victim.
President Barack Obama planted the question during a health care press conference, hoping he could satisfy the Chicago Sun-Times, which has been accusing him of not being black enough. He somehow imagined that the rest of the country might not notice the president of the United States gratuitously attacking a cop in a case of alleged "racial profiling."
Oops.
Suddenly, with the glare of the national spotlight being turned on a small local story, it became clear that there was no "racial profiling" involved -- other than by the black Harvard professor, who lorded his credentials and connections over a white working-class cop.
We wouldn't have known about this case at all if the professor, Henry Louis Gates Jr., hadn't blast e-mailed the universe that he was harassed by racist cops. Gates thought it would be a feather in his cap, not realizing there are huge areas of the country where people don't think it's heroic to browbeat cops checking on you after you break into your own house, such as 99 percent of the country outside of Cambridge.
Contrary to liberals' ardent desire, Sgt. James Crowley was not on tape saying, "I know it's his house, but let's stick it to this uppity negro." (Curiously, the tape of Gates' call demanding to talk to the chief of police to "report" Crowley has been withheld. Some watchdog group has got to demand that tape.)
But what if Crowley hadn't been a model policeman who taught diversity classes and once famously gave mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a black athlete?
What if the 911 caller had identified the suspected burglars as black, which it turns out she did not?
What if Crowley hadn't been fully supported by other cops at the scene, one Hispanic and one black? (Liberals will say cops stick together, but I say liberals stick together.)
What if, at some point in his life, Crowley had been accused -- falsely or not -- of racism?
His life would be ruined.
Desperate to blame the cop, despite the facts, some liberals have begun making up their own facts. Radio talker Opio Sokoni claimed Crowley told Gates to "shut up" and "I'm going to win, you're going to jail." Even Gates doesn't claim the cop said that.
On MSNBC's "Hardball," Chris Matthews said that Gates did not say, "I'll speak with your mama outside," as stated in the police report.
"He didn't say this," Matthews asserted as fact. This invented fact allowed Matthews to accuse the cop of engaging in "projection" and to conjure Crowley's psychological state, saying, this is "what a white guy thought a black guy would say."
Eugene Robinson endorsed Matthews' invented fact, saying: "I cannot imagine in this universe Skip Gates saying, 'I'll speak with your mama outside.'" As proof, Robinson explained that Gates "rolls with kings and queens and Nobel Prize winners." (I'm not "projecting" what I think a black man would say; he really said that.)
And then they both had a laugh about the cop applying racist stereotypes to such an esteemed figure as Professor Gates, who apparently would NEVER use the phrase "your mama."
First, unlike these aesthetes, I don't consider "your mama" such an implausible expression for someone to use.
Second, Sgt. Crowley wrote his police report, including the "your mama" line, long before he, or anyone else, could have imagined the arrest was going to become nationwide, front-page news.
Third, there's a video of Gates using the N-word all over the Internet, and in that short, three-minute video, Gates uses the phrase "your mama."
The only contrary evidence is that Gates recently denied that he told the cop he'd "speak with your mama outside." He also desperately wants to drop the subject.
The left's last-ditch attempt to defend a powerful black man's attack on a powerless white man is to say the arrest was improper. In Time magazine, Lawrence O'Donnell factually announced, "Yelling does not meet the definition of disorderly conduct in Massachusetts."
You can argue the facts in court, but there's no question that the police report described the misdemeanor offense of "disorderly conduct" under Massachusetts law, which includes engaging in "tumultuous behavior" in "any neighborhood," thereby causing public "inconvenience, annoyance or alarm."
As everyone who's read the police report knows, Gates is described as going on an extended tirade against the officer, calling him a racist, saying the officer didn't know who he was messing with, acting irrationally, following the officer outside to continue haranguing him, and engaging in "tumultuous behavior" in and outside his house, drawing a small crowd of alarmed onlookers and police.
Suppose a cop didn't arrest a guy who was ranting and raving -- in his own home -- and, an hour later, the hothead assaults someone. Policeman: I was as surprised as anyone that he shot his girlfriend! Every liberal in the country would demand the cop's head.
And by the way, try screaming at a judge that he's a racist and see what happens. Why should police officers deserve less protection than judges? They're in more danger.
The disorderly conduct charge was not dropped because it wasn't a good arrest. It was dropped, according to Gates' own lawyer, because of Gates' connections.
Before liberals declare that this a case of racial profiling and move on, how about liberals produce one provable example of racial profiling that isn't a hoax?
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Bills take on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XSe9ifE-aM&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6_8wePZ6FA
Listen: 911 "Gates' Call To Cambridge Police
better version
Part 1 Henry Louis Gates 911 Call Tape (HQ) - With Transcript
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-sHU4Kf5Zc
Part 2 Henry Louis Gates 911, Part 2: Police Radio Transmissions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg6ftXq3vuo
Cambridge Police Radio Calls Of Harvard Prof. Gates Arrest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpMJhVD-tII&feature=related
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Update:
Read this:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/30/wow-black-cop-in-gates-arrest-sends-letter-to-obama-about-being-called-an-uncle-tom/
Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP7ujiJ1Sjs
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Sgt. Lashley puts it in perspective what I have been thinking - Our President, he remarks at the healthcare news conference, and this sham of a beer night with the boys have set racial relations all the way back to the 60's in this nation.
I'm not say that everything was fine and peachy keen, but now every minority has a can of gas called BHO that they can spew to raise the tension level. LE is going to be suspect in everything they do, because someone somewhere is always going to cry "RACE!"
Another example where a black home owner could have made this a non-issue by saying "yes officer, I live here, and here is my ID ... Thank you sir," and a black President, who refuses to produce his basic paperwork (but that is a whole different line) could have made this a non-issue by keeping his damn mouth shut until he had all the facts, but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, now we are trying to make nice by having warm beer in the Rose Garden, giving a photo op, and resolving nothing.
Media - Damn you for making a huge issue out of a nothing case ...
Media - Thank you for exposing our leader for the bigot that he is!
America - Wake up and smell the coffee! We have at least three and a half more years of this, and if you don't wise up it will be seven and a half ... if we survive that long >:(
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I really have to hand it to Sgt Crowley. I watched his news conference that followed the "beerfest" and that guy is without a doubt the real deal. He is incredibly intelligent, articulate (relax, its only racist to say that about a black person), and is a total class act. He really handled the media well and was poised and professional through out. Whoever that police commissioner was that hand picked him for that teaching position definitely chose the right guy! Professor Gates..... well.... he chose the wrong guy.
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Obama intentionally creates division between different groups in America in order to be able to pander to special interests and increase his chances of retaining control.
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Oh yeah..... did anyone else notice that Sgt Crowley was the only one actually drinking his beer? (http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/party0008.gif)
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I really have to hand it to Sgt Crowley. I watched his news conference that followed the "beerfest" and that guy is without a doubt the real deal. He is incredibly intelligent, articulate (relax, its only racist to say that about a black person), and is a total class act. He really handled the media well and was poised and professional through out. Whoever that police commissioner was that hand picked him for that teaching position definitely chose the right guy! Professor Gates..... well.... he chose the wrong guy.
+1000. Perfect description!!!!
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Oh yeah..... did anyone else notice that Sgt Crowley was the only one actually drinking his beer? (http://www.smileyx.com/smilies/party0008.gif)
Biden doesn't drink. Don't really care about the other two at the table.....I'd buy the Sgt a beer anytime, anyplace!
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Biden doesn't drink. Don't really care about the other two at the table.....I'd buy the Sgt a beer anytime, anyplace!
A cop, a professor, and a car salesman walk into a bar......
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A cop, a professor, and a car salesman walk into a bar......
And the professor and President were kicked out, because in 2009 a high ranking official insulted the masses and segregation was brought back.
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A cop, a professor, and a car salesman walk into a bar......
.....They sit down to have a beer and in walks Loose Lips Joe.....
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No American beer was served........Nice...
Should have been Sam Adams, damnit, for all of them.
I'm going to get one right now.
No freakin Red Stripe, Blue Moon WTF?, and Imbev, Belgium owned Bud Light...
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The way the confab should have gone . . .
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/understocked.png)
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The way the confab should have gone . . .
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/understocked.png)
That's funny as hell Path.
You should be a political humorist!!!!
New career PATH? ;D
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Not mine, I can't draw that well. It's from xkcd.com (http://xkcd.com)
The trick to the comic strip on its native site is to mouse over and let the mouse sit for second and a sub-joke pops up. Most of them are unintelligible as the artist/cartoonist is a math geek, and so the sub-jokes tend to be some really esoteric "in" joke from math or physics.
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Not mine, I can't draw that well. It's from xkcd.com (http://xkcd.com)
The trick to the comic strip on its native site is to mouse over and let the mouse sit for second and a sub-joke pops up. Most of them are unintelligible as the artist/cartoonist is a math geek, and so the sub-jokes tend to be some really esoteric "in" joke from math or physics.
Cool, Thanks Path.
How on earth did you figure that one out?