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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: ericire12 on August 20, 2009, 03:51:02 PM
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http://www.iamsorryivotedforobama.com/
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Thanks Eric, my very own thread! ::) Actually I don't disagree with most of the posts.
FQ13 who still wouldn't have voted for McCain but does have buyer's remorse
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I posted a "We told you so", with the comment that , all they needed to do was a lttle research, his entire LIFE has revolved around socialists and criminals of various types. Maybe next time they will listen, or at least check the facts of the people who say your messiah is a sleaze ball.
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Thanks Eric, my very own thread! ::) Actually I don't disagree with most of the posts.
FQ13 who still wouldn't have voted for McCain but does have buyer's remorse
Quaker,
Did you really vote for Obama or were you really voting against Sarah Palin?
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Quaker,
Did you really vote for Obama or were you really voting against Sarah Palin?
You know me too well Fullauto, but Palin was just the insult to the injury. I don't know if you read David Brooks' or Kathleen Parker's columns, but they pretty much have said every thing I have to say about Palin. It was mostly a vote against the party in power who had FUBARED the practical stuff and dangerously enhanced the power of the executive branch and topped that with an anti-choice, anti-free speech (McCain-Feingold) candidate at the the top of the ticket. I didn't vote FOR Obama. I voted no. I was telling the GOP to take four years off and get an attitude adjustment. You don't reward failure, yet either way, it seems, you lose. Se la guerre.
FQ13
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You know me too well Fullauto, but Palin was just the insult to the injury. I don't know if you read David Brooks' or Kathleen Parker's columns, but they pretty much have said every thing I have to say about Palin. It was mostly a vote against the party in power who had FUBARED the practical stuff and dangerously enhanced the power of the executive branch and topped that with an anti-choice, anti-free speech (McCain-Feingold) candidate at the the top of the ticket. I didn't vote FOR Obama. I voted no. I was telling the GOP to take four years off and get an attitude adjustment. You don't reward failure, yet either way, it seems, you lose. Se la guerre.
FQ13
Now maybe you will come to understand that even if he was wishy washy, W did pretty damn good considering he was following Clinton and saddled with an anti American Congress for 6 of 8 years as well as the communist media, both of whom where actively working against America. and dealing with the results of Barney Frank and Maxine Waters actions under Clinton.
As for Palin, Your either going to change your tune or look dumb again.
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You know me too well Fullauto, but Palin was just the insult to the injury. I don't know if you read David Brooks' or Kathleen Parker's columns, but they pretty much have said every thing I have to say about Palin. It was mostly a vote against the party in power who had FUBARED the practical stuff and dangerously enhanced the power of the executive branch and topped that with an anti-choice, anti-free speech (McCain-Feingold) candidate at the the top of the ticket. I didn't vote FOR Obama. I voted no. I was telling the GOP to take four years off and get an attitude adjustment. You don't reward failure, yet either way, it seems, you lose. Se la guerre.
FQ13
Not to start a debate about Palin here, but I wonder how you reconcile your views about her as a political candidate with those you have about Feminism. From my point of view you have a contradiction, but then again, you and I haven't had that debate over a few (ah hell let's try cases) of beer, which I think I would truly learn alot from that exchange...... :)
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Not to start a debate about Palin here, but I wonder how you reconcile your views about her as a political candidate with those you have about Feminism. From my point of view you have a contradiction, but then again, you and I haven't had that debate over a few (ah hell let's try cases) of beer, which I think I would truly learn alot from that exchange...... :)
He got you there FQ, I'm the one that posted women didn't belong in politics and I support her, you are the "libertarian" Pro Choice etc. etc. and you hate her worse than the dems hated Bush. Could it be that you are only pro choice if it's the one you agree with ? Everything the dems have said for the last 8 years has been proven to be lies as far as the economy, war, health care, and BO are concerned, but you still cling to their sexist hatred of Palin. That is just as hypocritical as the Dems spokesman during the McCarthy hearings, a flaming homosexual, accusing Joe and his witnesses of being queers.
By the way, in case you missed the other thread, I got the name of the book wrong, it's "the Sword and The Shield" By Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, published by Basic Books. But Anne Coulters Treason covers just the American aspects McCarthy, Hiss/Chambers etc in half as many pages.
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He got you there FQ, I'm the one that posted women didn't belong in politics and I support her, you are the "libertarian" Pro Choice etc. etc. and you hate her worse than the dems hated Bush. Could it be that you are only pro choice if it's the one you agree with ? Everything the dems have said for the last 8 years has been proven to be lies as far as the economy, war, health care, and BO are concerned, but you still cling to their sexist hatred of Palin. That is just as hypocritical as the Dems spokesman during the McCarthy hearings, a flaming homosexual, accusing Joe and his witnesses of being queers.
By the way, in case you missed the other thread, I got the name of the book wrong, it's "the Sword and The Shield" By Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, published by Basic Books. But Anne Coulters Treason covers just the American aspects McCarthy, Hiss/Chambers etc in half as many pages.
Tom,
If Quaker and I ever square off in a debate, I may need your number in case I need to slice through the fog of his rhetoric..... ;)
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He got you there FQ, I'm the one that posted women didn't belong in politics and I support her, you are the "libertarian" Pro Choice etc. etc. and you hate her worse than the dems hated Bush. Could it be that you are only pro choice if it's the one you agree with ? Everything the dems have said for the last 8 years has been proven to be lies as far as the economy, war, health care, and BO are concerned, but you still cling to their sexist hatred of Palin. That is just as hypocritical as the Dems spokesman during the McCarthy hearings, a flaming homosexual, accusing Joe and his witnesses of being queers.
By the way, in case you missed the other thread, I got the name of the book wrong, it's "the Sword and The Shield" By Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, published by Basic Books. But Anne Coulters Treason covers just the American aspects McCarthy, Hiss/Chambers etc in half as many pages.
Why is hating Palin sexist? Does hating BO make you racist? I show my respect to her by disliking her for her positions and her "I'm ignorant and proud of it" as opposed to "there are things I need to learn more about and I will" attitude. She is the anti-Kerry. I loathed Kerry, and Romney (do they put something in the water in Ma.?) for their smug elitist view. Palin was the same, only it was twisted into a version that said a small town mayor knew everything it took to lead the free world. Same disease, different symptoms. Gender had nothing to do with it. Its just that simple. BTW, if she was so great why didn't she finish her term as governor? This isn't a strictly anti-Palin shot either. I say the same to my (blessedly) soon to be ex-senator Mel Martinez. You told the voters you would do the job for x years and then you bail without extenuating circumstances? Since when is that leadership? In the military its called UA. For the record, I cordially despise Hillary and Pelosi as well.
FQ13
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Why is hating Palin sexist? Does hating BO make you racist? I show my respect to her by disliking her for her positions and her "I'm ignorant and proud of it" as opposed to "there are things I need to learn more about and I will" attitude. She is the anti-Kerry. I loathed Kerry, and Romney (do they put something in the water in Ma.?) for their smug elitist view. Palin was the same, only it was twisted into a version that said a small town mayor knew everything it took to lead the free world. Same disease, different symptoms. Gender had nothing to do with it. Its just that simple. BTW, if she was so great why didn't she finish her term as governor? This isn't a strictly anti-Palin shot either. I say the same to my (blessedly) soon to be ex-senator Mel Martinez. You told the voters you would do the job for x years and then you bail without extenuating circumstances? Since when is that leadership? In the military its called UA. For the record, I cordially despise Hillary and Pelosi as well.
FQ13
It's making me start to think that way
Yes, they SAY it's fluoride.
So you voted for a guy who had never been in charge of ANYTHING, because you didn't like the the experience level of a woman who was mayor of a city, and Governor of a State. Think about the stupidity of that position. I don't mean to offend you here but I can't think of another word that fits that wouldn't be even more offensive.
To rub it in I have to add,
THAT'S WORKING OUT REAL WELL
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Thanks Eric, my very own thread! ::) Actually I don't disagree with most of the posts.
FQ13 who still wouldn't have voted for McCain but does have buyer's remorse
Am I reading this correctly? Even though you regret voting for Obama, you'd do it again if McCain were the alternative?!?
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It's making me start to think that way
Yes, they SAY it's fluoride.
So you voted for a guy who had never been in charge of ANYTHING, because you didn't like the the experience level woman who was mayor of a city, and Governor of a State. Think about the stupidity of that position. I don't mean to offend you here but I can't think of another word that fits that wouldn't be even more offensive.
To rub it in I have to add,
THAT'S WORKING OUT REAL WELL
Tom you are absolutely correct. Of the four people at the top of each party's ticket, there was only one who had ANY kind of executive experience. Governmental Executive experience. And Chief Governmental Executive experience. That person was one that I found as a breath of fresh air. Rather than being a pontificating, over-educated, arrogant windbag, I found her to be someone that reminded me of the kind of people who BUILT this country. Average, everyday, hard-working Americans. She reminded me of the American "Everywife".
I admired her then for the grace she displayed when the democrats and their willing whores in the mainstream media eviscerated her AND HER ENTIRE FAMILY, almost from the moment her name was announced as McCain's VP choice. Every time I heard Governor Palin speak she impressed me a little bit more.
As far as her resigning before the end of her term, I can't help but think that was primarily designed to keep the state of Alaska from continuing to have to fund the never-ending stream of baseless corruption allegations that those on the left started filing the moment she came to light on the national stage, in an attempt to destroy her. Those allegations, all of which, I believe, have been found to be without merit, continued right up until the day she left office. The scorched-earth approach of the people that FQ supported in the last election is appalling to me. Especially when aimed toward a candidate's family.
Let me wrap up this little rant by saying that I am delighted that Governor Palin has yet to remove herself from the public debate. I fervently hope to be able to cast my vote for her to replace the debacle that YOU, FQ, and those of your ilk, foisted upon this country last November.
Truth be told I had intended to sit out the last Presidential election rather than vote for a RINO like McCain. But when Palin was added to the ticket I made the decision (for which I have NO buyer's remorse) to vote for HER, and accept McCain as baggage.
Ok, rant off. Time to take a deep breath.
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If it had not been for Palin I would most likely have voted for Ron Paul.
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You know me too well Fullauto, but Palin was just the insult to the injury. I don't know if you read David Brooks' or Kathleen Parker's columns, but they pretty much have said every thing I have to say about Palin. It was mostly a vote against the party in power who had FUBARED the practical stuff and dangerously enhanced the power of the executive branch and topped that with an anti-choice, anti-free speech (McCain-Feingold) candidate at the the top of the ticket. I didn't vote FOR Obama. I voted no. I was telling the GOP to take four years off and get an attitude adjustment. You don't reward failure, yet either way, it seems, you lose. Se C'est la guerre.
FQ13
Yes, you did vote FOR bho - there is no way to dodge that or put a nice pretty little liberal spin on it.
For a college-edumacated smart guy, you can't spell worth a crap. And you even screw up French! See above
Why is hating Palin sexist? Does hating BO make you racist? I show my respect to her by disliking her for her positions and her "I'm ignorant and proud of it" as opposed to "there are things I need to learn more about and I will" attitude. She is the anti-Kerry. I loathed Kerry, and Romney (do they put something in the water in Ma.?) for their smug elitist view. Palin was the same, only it was twisted into a version that said a small town mayor knew everything it took to lead the free world. Same disease, different symptoms. Gender had nothing to do with it. Its just that simple. BTW, if she was so great why didn't she finish her term as governor? This isn't a strictly anti-Palin shot either. I say the same to my (blessedly) soon to be ex-senator Mel Martinez. You told the voters you would do the job for x years and then you bail without extenuating circumstances? Since when is that leadership? In the military its called UA. For the record, I cordially despise Hillary and Pelosi as well.
FQ13
Yes, hating her is sexist because in hating her, you do 3 things:
1. You violate every so-called "feminist" and "libertarian" notion you presume to believe in.
2. You ignore or miss the fact that the lefties and womens' libs hate her because she is exactly so much more accomplished than all of the others, that she is exactly what the lefties have demanded for women for decades, but she is not a leftie - they cannot forgive that about her
3. You play into the same hands that use Alinsky's 12th rule so effectively
And I'm sure being from a small town and not being able to run the country will come as a really big damn surprise to Harry Truman! >:(
Dammit FQ, sometimes you are just so freakin' ignorant! You know only what you chose to know.
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What do you expect from the poor guy ? he has been brainwashed since he was about 5 or 6through the socialist dominated school system, then into college for truly professional indoctrination, and then into the Business side of it where any twinges of logic or Patriotism must be firmly suppressed as his livelihood depends on not tipping off the commissars.
Before you trash FQ think of Winston Smith.
If FQ were hopeless he would have left this site LONG ago. The way to help him throw off the chains is through exposing him to truths, and relating them to things he already knows he has been lied to about. He does not have Winston's advantage of being on the inside of the lie formulation, he is only the delivery boy.
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What do you expect from the poor guy ? he has been brainwashed since he was about 5 or 6through the socialist dominated school system, then into college for truly professional indoctrination, and then into the Business side of it where any twinges of logic or Patriotism must be firmly suppressed as his livelihood depends on not tipping off the commissars.
Before you trash FQ think of Winston Smith.
If FQ were hopeless he would have left this site LONG ago. The way to help him throw off the chains is through exposing him to truths, and relating them to things he already knows he has been lied to about. He does not have Winston's advantage of being on the inside of the lie formulation, he is only the delivery boy.
Or we can waterboard him with the truth too, but maybe that's what you are referring to, Tom..... ;)
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Engrave it on a bat and beat him severely about the head and shoulders ;D
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Engrave it on a bat and beat him severely about the head and shoulders ;D
Hmmm, that might leave an impression after all. ;)
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Hear that FQ, Ve haf vays off makingg you think. ;D
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Hell.....I trained my buddy Harley (see avatar) to stop pooping on the floor! Maybe there's hope for FQ as well...
Just because he's an educator, doesn't mean he can't be re-educated!
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Laugh it up boys, but I still don't like Sarah. Have never been called a sexist, aside from here. And still don't like McCain-Feingold. If I had hindsight I would have voted for Barr (as much as I think he's a carpet bagger who would't know a libertarian from a fungo bat). I still wouldn't vote for McCain Feingold and Palin, sorry, never going to happen. Tom if you have a bat engraved, I might have to get out the dremel and do a little custom work on the AR. I'll remember there's only one G. ;D ;D
FQ13
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Laugh it up boys, but I still don't like Sarah. Have never been called a sexist, aside from here. And still don't like McCain-Feingold. If I had hindsight I would have voted for Barr (as much as I think he's a carpet bagger who would't know a libertarian from a fungo bat). I still wouldn't vote for McCain Feingold and Palin, sorry, never going to happen. Tom if you have a bat engraved, I might have to get out the dremel and do a little custom work on the AR. I'll remember there's only one G. ;D ;D
FQ13
Leave the RINO out of it FQ, he's old and most likely won't be around next time, and none of us LIKED him any way. But he had one HUGE advantage, He wasn't BO.
Stick to JUST Palin you have no legitimate beef with her except propaganda from a bunch of proven liars
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Leave the RINO out of it FQ, he's old and most likely won't be around next time, and none of us LIKED him any way. But he had one HUGE advantage, He wasn't BO.
Stick to JUST Palin you have no legitimate beef with her except propaganda from a bunch of proven liars
Finally, we agree politically on an issuse other than the 2A and the war on some drugs. We both dislike McCain, who was at the TOP of the ticket. That's what matters. I don't think you'll find a single BO voter, even those who still drink the kool aide who will rave about how great Biden is. Even a lot of W voters were scared of Cheney. You don't vote based on the veep, whose only real job is to wake up, read the paper to see whether the President is dead, and then plan how to pack for which ever funeral they have to attend. ;D I do not like Sarah. She is a tool of the religious right. She believes the state should be making choices about our personal lives, small government be damned . I will agree that the attacks on her family were out of line. Even BO said so when he responded to the attacks on Bristol by saying his own mother was an out of wed lock teenager as well. Love him or hate him, when a black man says when you talk about her you're talking about my momma, a wise man either shuts up or gets ready to fight.
This is all irrelevant. I am conservative on money and defense, and liberal on social issues. I believe that one of the qualifications for being President is a broad knowledge of history and international relations, or at least an intense curiosity about them. The reason is you don't learn from the mistakes of others you will make them yourself. Palin doesn't seem to have that. W, at his commencement speech at Yale, actually bragged on being a C student. My response, had I been one of the faculty sitting behind him, would have been "No shit. It shows". I dislike her policies, but that's just ideology, Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback and Bobby Jindall all have similar views. I respect them. Why? They don't have that smug "I'm a real American because I don't know stuff" attitude. Message to Sarah Palin. Americans DO respect knowledge. Its why good lawyers, doctors and mechanics do well. I don't want a president who is just like me. I want a president who is smarter than me. None of this has squat to do with BO, I am not defending him. I am merely saying that Palin will NEVER have my vote.
FQ13
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It's getting tough discussing things with you, since you refuse to deal with statements you make when they are pointed out as flat-out wrong, and instead fall back on your "I'm a Libertarian!" screed. You're not a Libertarian, you only think you are, since that screed allows you all sorts of intellectual dishonesty.
And like good libs everywhere, your post all about me - me - ME!!! You used the words "I" or "me" or "my" nearly 20 times in this one post.
Sorry for the length here folks, I have a point you can scroll to the end to see. As for the rest of your points . . .
Finally, we agree politically on an issuse other than the 2A and the war on some drugs. We both dislike McCain, who was at the TOP of the ticket. That's what matters. I don't think you'll find a single BO voter, even those who still drink the kool aide who will rave about how great Biden is. Point? ? ? Even a lot of W voters were scared of Cheney. Like who? Cheney probably gets a lot of respect here for one. At least he had huge amounts of executive and management experience compared to bho and biden combined. Besides, he was from Wyoming, a state full of real Libertarians. You don't vote based on the veep, whose only real job is to wake up, read the paper to see whether the President is dead, and then plan how to pack for which ever funeral they have to attend. ;D
I do not like Sarah. That is obvious. You may need to teach your students by repeating the obvious; it gets old here.
She is a tool of the religious right. The left is well organized and funded. What is this "religious right" you speak of? Where is the same level of organization and funding in this so-called "religious right"? Or could it be that this is another of Alinskys Rule #12 at work, another uber-left term without meaning but which has become common in its usage? The fact that Christians tend to believe the same thing - as preached in the Bible - doesn't mean we are as well-funded or organized as move-on, AKORN, ANSWER or the other uber-left organizations. It just means we agree on some things
She believes the state should be making choices about our personal lives, small government be damned. Non-sequitor here. Besides, what choices? And assuming you can come up with 1 or 2, how is this any worse than what the state already decides for you, like where to spend your money (gummint first, whatever else is left, well, we'll get that eventually too), how fast to drive, how to run your business, how to educate your kids, etc.?
I will agree that the attacks on her family were out of line. Nice of you to agree - see next item
Even BO said so when he responded to the attacks on Bristol by saying his own mother was an out of wed lock teenager as well. Damning with faint praise - he would have appeared to be a real slug if he had not said something. Besides, he gains by appearing to be a stand-up guy, and would lose by remaining silent. Also possibly a back-handed slam at Palin with the use of those specific word - "out of wedlock teenager", knowing full well that would not play well with the so-called "religious right" - see below
Love him or hate him, when a black man says when you talk about her you're talking about my momma, a wise man either shuts up or gets ready to fight. And if a white man, or an Asian man, or an Indian man says it, it's no big deal, you can just ignore them? And BTW, bho is only about half black at most.
This is all irrelevant. I am conservative on money and defense, and liberal on social issues. Use of labels - "conservative" and "liberal" - that have largely become sign posts and not real descriptors. Would you pass a student who used these words in this manner?
I believe that one of the qualifications for being President is a broad knowledge of history and international relations, or at least an intense curiosity about them. and bho met this rule how? And yet you voted for him.
The reason is you don't learn from the mistakes of others you will make them yourself. Palin doesn't seem to have that. Completely unsupported statement. This is a woman who successfully took on the oil industry, and was successful in some measure in attacking the venal and petty (and sometimes grand) corruption within her state. bho just went along with the Chicago corruption and prospered from it
W, at his commencement speech at Yale, actually bragged on being a C student. Point being? Being honest is somehow wrong in your universe? Or perhaps being self-deprecating as in I can make it so can you is not valid?
My response, had I been one of the faculty sitting behind him, would have been "No shit. It shows". Another uber-left tactic - be rude, disrespectful, marginalize. You have been well taught, grasshopper!
I dislike her policies, but that's just ideology, Which policies? Or is this a throw-away statement as you move on very quickly to talk about other politicians?
Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback and Bobby Jindall all have similar views. I respect them. Why? They don't have that smug "I'm a real American because I don't know stuff" attitude. Again, she did not portray herself this way, this was used as a tactic of the uber-left fascists to destroy her - ala' the twit on SNL. People do believe Palin said I can see Russia from my porch when it was on SNL. Apparently you are one of the believers.
Message to Sarah Palin. Americans DO respect knowledge. Yes we do - and she didn't present herself in a way that would lead anyone to think otherwise. Your so-called "feminist" training has so thoroughly poisoned you that you cannot see that she is smart, accomplished and capable. Further, that same training has so thoroughly warped your perceptions that you do not see that your hatred of her is just the product of the uber-left's machinations against her - because they are so damned afraid of her. In their minds, she denies their very message, and so she must be destroyed. And she does deny their message soundly!
Its why good lawyers, doctors and mechanics do well. Well, maybe that, and maybe because they have so completely gamed the system that an average Joe can't win against them. Besides, doctors are respected, lawyers are tolerated, mechanics are mechanics. All are necessary.
I don't want a president who is just like me. I want a president who is smarter than me. Like J. Fred Muggs? ;D OK, admittedly a cheap shot. There is a difference between smart and crafty. bho isn't so much smart as he is crafty, well-trained - and funded. And no one has ever argued that klintoon was smart. Reagan was smart enough to know he didn't know everything, and surrounded himself with capable people. Johnson was crafty and devious. McNamara (not a president) was your typically over-educated smart guy and looked how he effed things up.
None of this has squat to do with BO, I am not defending him. I am merely saying that Palin will NEVER have my vote. We get it, Thanks. Move on. It still makes you an unrepentant anti-feminist sexist!
FQ13
Two more points:
1. Consider this - If your post can be so easily deconstructed as has been done here by someone with a little education (and a long time ago at that) and knowledge, you may want to go back and think over everything you think you understand, believe, and think, and then address why you understand, believe, and think these things. Your students may not be able to challenge you, but many here have overturned you on very specific grounds, grounds which you go on to ignore. Pay special attention to the references to Alinsky and how your conduct and statements play directly into his teachings. Is Alinsky an example of what a true Libertarian would do and believe? If not, perhaps you need to change your perceptions and approaches to things.
2. When you truly understand my last highlighted statement in the quote, you will begin - begin mind you - to understand how untenable your positions, understandings, beliefs, and thoughts are in the real world, not in academia.
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I appreciate the time you put into your post. I take it as a sign of respect. I mean that. If you just thought I was a useless A@#hole, like onrecess you would not have bothered. I thank you for that. I must add a couple of small points and then one large one. Point the first, calling a liberal (which I am not unless you're talking about social policy) a fascist is an oxymoron. Fascism is by definition associated with a right wing style authoritarianism that views the state as the legitimate protector of an organic national identity. Try dictatorial instead. Second point, the religious right is large and well funded, or maybe you failed to notice the Christian Coalition, Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed and James Dobson? This is a movement that seeks to marry church and state, has zero regard for small government and trends dangerously close to Dominion theology. I do not like, trust or support it as a Christian, a Libertarian or an American. Please note I am not talking about conservative Christians in general, or even all members of the group, just it's leaders. Even they mean well, I just think that they confuse secular conservatism with Biblical Christianitity and drift dagerously close to theocracy. This is, if you understand the Dominion theology reference a larger debate than we can take up here, but if you want to address it elsewhere I would be happy to. Finally, my larger point is that Palin just rubs me the wrong way.This isn't about sexism. I disagree with her social policies, don't like her attitude, and am less than impressed with her resigning from office before the end of her term. Period. Full stop. Why does this get folks so POd? Honestly, there is not a one of us who hasn't met a politician that for one reason or another we just don't like. I don't like Palin Sam I Am.
Peace
FQ13
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OMG i cant believe I am about to say this. I agree with Quaker... I know I know I must be crazy. BUt Sarah Palin was the wrong choice.. She is a wonderful woman, conservative, well spoken (although annoying in accent), and a good leader. But she was toatlly uneducated on current events and wrold politics (not her fault, the GOP should have taken her aside and educated her before turning her loose among teh media). I hate the liberal media as much as anyone else, but they didnt have to try hard to make her look dumb... I give her this... If she spends her time she now has off studying foreign poicy, history, current affairs, etc...then maybe she may get my respect.. pure leadership ability is not enough to run a country.
With that said, I did indeed vote for McCain, because choosing a "possible moron"(ie McCain assassinated) is better than voting for the guaranteed moron in office..
And as for teh well funded Christian Movement, he is again right. I am a God Fearing Southern Baptist, and even though my friends give me hell for it, I say Falwell went to far on more than one occasion, and the whole "Moral Majority" continues to try and forse Christianity on government... Conservativism and Chritianity are not interchangeable in my view, although Fox News would lead you to believe that.
Please forgive my awful typing...spent too much time playin outside as a kid...never had formal typing classes...so this is what you get.
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Tom you are absolutely correct. Of the four people at the top of each party's ticket, there was only one who had ANY kind of executive experience. Governmental Executive experience. And Chief Governmental Executive experience. That person was one that I found as a breath of fresh air. Rather than being a pontificating, over-educated, arrogant windbag, I found her to be someone that reminded me of the kind of people who BUILT this country. Average, everyday, hard-working Americans. She reminded me of the American "Everywife".
I admired her then for the grace she displayed when the democrats and their willing whores in the mainstream media eviscerated her AND HER ENTIRE FAMILY, almost from the moment her name was announced as McCain's VP choice. Every time I heard Governor Palin speak she impressed me a little bit more.
As far as her resigning before the end of her term, I can't help but think that was primarily designed to keep the state of Alaska from continuing to have to fund the never-ending stream of baseless corruption allegations that those on the left started filing the moment she came to light on the national stage, in an attempt to destroy her. Those allegations, all of which, I believe, have been found to be without merit, continued right up until the day she left office. The scorched-earth approach of the people that FQ supported in the last election is appalling to me. Especially when aimed toward a candidate's family.
Let me wrap up this little rant by saying that I am delighted that Governor Palin has yet to remove herself from the public debate. I fervently hope to be able to cast my vote for her to replace the debacle that YOU, FQ, and those of your ilk, foisted upon this country last November.
Truth be told I had intended to sit out the last Presidential election rather than vote for a RINO like McCain. But when Palin was added to the ticket I made the decision (for which I have NO buyer's remorse) to vote for HER, and accept McCain as baggage.
EXACTLY the same reasons I voted for her also. Well Said. ;D
PATHFINDER, Very precise and articulate post. Well Done. ;D
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Oops, sorry for my typo above. I didn't mean to include my comments in the above quote. :-\
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Path
I appreciate the time you put into your post. I take it as a sign of respect. I mean that. If you just thought I was a useless A@#hole, like onrecess you would not have bothered. I thank you for that. I must add a couple of small points and then one large one. Point the first, calling a liberal (which I am not unless you're talking about social policy) a fascist is an oxymoron. Fascism is by definition associated with a right wing style authoritarianism that views the state as the legitimate protector of an organic national identity. Try dictatorial instead. Second point, the religious right is large and well funded, or maybe you failed to notice the Christian Coalition, Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed and James Dobson? This is a movement that seeks to marry church and state, has zero regard for small government and trends dangerously close to Dominion theology. I do not like, trust or support it as a Christian, a Libertarian or an American. Please note I am not talking about conservative Christians in general, or even all members of the group, just it's leaders. Even they mean well, I just think that they confuse secular conservatism with Biblical Christianitity and drift dagerously close to theocracy. This is, if you understand the Dominion theology reference a larger debate than we can take up here, but if you want to address it elsewhere I would be happy to. Finally, my larger point is that Palin just rubs me the wrong way.This isn't about sexism. I disagree with her social policies, don't like her attitude, and am less than impressed with her resigning from office before the end of her term. Period. Full stop. Why does this get folks so POd? Honestly, there is not a one of us who hasn't met a politician that for one reason or another we just don't like. I don't like Palin Sam I Am.
Peace
FQ13
So if I understand you correctly, your dislike of Governor Palin is more on personality than position (for lack of a better term)? Hell, I can respect that. Everybody has people that simply rub them the wrong way. Where you may be going wrong, at least in the views of many here, is in degrading her based upon the fact that you dislike her personality. The fact remains that she was better qualified for an executive position than any of the other 3 at the tops of either of the major party tickets. Let's be honest, any HR person worth a damn would've laughed Obama out of their office had he come in applying for a CEO position. Yet he managed to convince a sufficient number of people that he was the best for the job. And, of course, he did that by running a successful campaign against a candidate whose name didn't appear on the ballot. I give Barry credit for managing to pull off such a scam, but I still believe the country is the worse for it. Time will show us how much the worse.
And you are correct, FQ, if we thought that you were simply an a-hole we wouldn't be spending so much time trying to "educate" you. We actually like you, although some days you don't make that all that easy to do. ;D
As I mentioned above, I agree with you completely on disliking some people just because you dislike them. I remember when I was in college Senator (then CONGRESSMAN) Tom Harkin visited the campus. After shaking hands with him I felt like I needed a shower. I remember him doing his level best to try and get me to change my voter registration to the district that he represented, instead of casting an absentee ballot in my home district. I think what caused HIM to dislike ME (something that carries over to this day, I might add) was my reply that I didn't think he really wanted me to change registration, since that would mean one more vote for his opponent.
The man simply has no sense of humor. ;D
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As I mentioned above, I agree with you completely on disliking some people just because you dislike them. I remember when I was in college Senator (then CONGRESSMAN) Tom Harkin visited the campus. After shaking hands with him I felt like I needed a shower. I remember him doing his level best to try and get me to change my voter registration to the district that he represented, instead of casting an absentee ballot in my home district. I think what caused HIM to dislike ME (something that carries over to this day, I might add) was my reply that I didn't think he really wanted me to change registration, since that would mean one more vote for his opponent.
The man simply has no sense of humor. ;D
I'm not going to argue the point anymore, becauseI think I've made my position and the reasons for it pretty clear. I do however want to give you kudos for your BS meter in recognizing that Harkin was never to be trusted, and your balls for saying that to his face. Good on ya'. ;D
FQ13
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The fact remains that she was better qualified for an executive position than any of the other 3 at the tops of either of the major party tickets. Let's be honest, any HR person worth a damn would've laughed Obama out of their office had he come in applying for a CEO position.
BINGO!
And, at least McCain had some Command experience in the Navy. He did, after all, attain the rank of Captain (O-6)...everything since is a little dissapointing. Even if he couldn't manage his office very well, at least we would not be saddled with an ALL LIBERAL Government, the Emmanuel brothers, Sotomayor and any number of other foul breath communists in the West Wing.
We'd only have a RINO who believes in a strong defense and would have left the economy to the experts. It still isn't a crime to make a profit in this country, regardless of how obscene the amount!
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I'm not going to argue the point anymore, becauseI think I've made my position and the reasons for it pretty clear. I do however want to give you kudos for your BS meter in recognizing that Harkin was never to be trusted, and your balls for saying that to his face. Good on ya'. ;D
FQ13
On the "choice" issue, and Governor Palin as well, you and I will simply have to agree to disagree. I still view abortion as murder, and am extremely glad that Roe v Wade wasn't decided a year earlier than it was, since a wonderful adopted niece, who is the apple of my eye, may well never have been born had it been decided a year earlier.
That being said, while I abhor abortion and like Palin, as a Constitutionalist, I will staunchly defend your 1st amendment right to be wrong on these issues. ;D
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I'm not going to argue the point anymore, becauseI think I've made my position and the reasons for it pretty clear. I do however want to give you kudos for your BS meter in recognizing that Harkin was never to be trusted, and your balls for saying that to his face. Good on ya'. ;D
FQ13
Thanks!! You may have noticed that one seldom has to guess where I stand on any given issue. ;D
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And like good libs everywhere, your post all about me - me - ME!!! You used the words "I" or "me" or "my" nearly 20 times in this one post.
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Maybe you guys are making progress. At least in the last few posts on this thread he didn't refer to himself as the 3rd person. Do your own thinking or research into the meaning of 3rd person references for self, but I think it shows you are drawing him out.
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That being said, while I abhor abortion, as a Constitutionalist, I will staunchly defend your 1st amendment right to be wrong on the issue. ;D
Not a bad reply.......I might have said I'd let him talk and let him defend his own his own 1st Ammendment right.
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Maybe you guys are making progress. At least in the last few posts on this thread he didn't refer to himself as the 3rd person. Do your own thinking or research into the meaning of 3rd person references for self, but I think it shows you are drawing him out.
Not a bad reply.......I might have said I'd let him talk and let him defend his own his own 1st Ammendment right.
The reason FQ13 refers to himself in the third person in postscripts is IRONY Rastus. You know, sarcastic humor aimed at either oneself or the absurdity of situation? Call me many things and I will have to agree, but egotistical isn't one of them. I think I've demonstrated that I will admit fault and treat my critics with respect on this board. I ain't proud Rastus and I won't complain about a fair hit. Just keep them above the belt please.
FQ13
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FQ:
I know I give you all kinds of shit on this board, but I want to thank you, also. Your posts, while often royally pissing me off, also cause me to examine my own opinions and biases, which can never be a bad thing. I suspect there is more upon which we agree than there is about which we disagree. On the latter, we'll agree to disagree. I believe Tom when he says that one day you'll come around. ;D
Anyway, thanks for disagreeing without being too disagreeable. ;D
But dude, seriously,voting for OBAMA?!? ;D
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A few ( more ) comments on the previous posts.
I like Biden, when they remove his muzzle he makes me laugh ;D
I also liked Cheney, He didn't attend funerals, he arranged them. And you have to love a guy who shoots a lawyer ;D
The reason the left hates Palin is because she manages to be everything they CLAIM they want to see for women, with out being a dyke or a bitch.
A couple of you have "attacked" the "religious right", I'm going to cherry pick some phrases here :
JOHN, by the grace of God King of England
KNOW THAT BEFORE GOD, for the health of our soul and those of our ancestors and heirs, to the honor of God, the exaltation of the holy Church, and the better ordering of our kingdom,
(from the Magna Carta )
In ye name of God Amen.
Haveing undertaken, for ye Glorie of God, and advancements of ye Christian faith,
in ye presence of God, and one of another;
(From the Mayflower Compact)
all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world
with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
(from the Declaration of Independance)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof,
(From the US Constitution )
that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom
(Gettysburg Address )
, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God.
(Emancipation Proclamation)
My point and question being, what is wrong with governing based on a belief in something higher than self ? What is wrong with holding members of Government to a standard of morality with out which the driving force of said government becomes mere control and expediency ?
FQ stated that
"calling a liberal (which I am not unless you're talking about social policy) a fascist is an oxymoron. Fascism is by definition associated with a right wing style authoritarianism that views the state as the legitimate protector of an organic national identity. Try dictatorial instead.
In fact, the only differences between Communism and Fascism are focus, they are BOTH totalitarian governments, one focused entirely on the Individual state, the other focused on spreading it's ideology and eliminating all external dissent.
There have been a bunch more posts since I started typing, so I will close by saying that while I give you crap as well some times I not only have to think to do it, but even occasionally hunt down references.
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From Tom:
There have been a bunch more posts since I started typing, so I will close by saying that while I give you crap as well some times I not only have to think to do it, but even occasionally hunt down references.
From tt11758
FQ:
I know I give you all kinds of shit on this board, but I want to thank you, also. Your posts, while often royally pissing me off, also cause me to examine my own opinions and biases, which can never be a bad thing.
I want to thank you both sincerly as you both just made my day. It proves that I still can do my job even though I've been out of work for a few months. I don't mean this to sound condecsending at all. On the contray it proves that a smart old man, who gets smarter every day, had it right. He gave me the best advice I ever got as a prof and it was this. "Treat your class like a dinner party, say something provoctive, but which raises a good point. Then shut the hell up and listen (I'm still working on the shutting up part ;)). You will know if you've succeded if YOU learned something. If you didn't try harder, because you screwed up." I rarely leave this board feeling I didn't learn something. Its why I keep coming back.
FQ13
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From Tom:
There have been a bunch more posts since I started typing, so I will close by saying that while I give you crap as well some times I not only have to think to do it, but even occasionally hunt down references.
From tt11758
FQ:
I know I give you all kinds of shit on this board, but I want to thank you, also. Your posts, while often royally pissing me off, also cause me to examine my own opinions and biases, which can never be a bad thing.
I want to thank you both sincerly as you both just made my day. It proves that I still can do my job even though I've been out of work for a few months. I don't mean this to sound condecsending at all. On the contray it proves that a smart old man, who gets smarter every day, had it right. He gave me the best advice I ever got as a prof and it was this. "Treat your class like a dinner party, say something provoctive, but which raises a good point. Then shut the hell up and listen (I'm still working on the shutting up part ;)). You will know if you've succeded if YOU learned something. If you didn't try harder, because you screwed up." I rarely leave this board feeling I didn't learn something. Its why I keep coming back.
FQ13
And I thought it was because you were a masochist. ;D
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Your spelling still stinks. (But it's better than TAB's) ;D
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From Tom:
There have been a bunch more posts since I started typing, so I will close by saying that while I give you crap as well some times I not only have to think to do it, but even occasionally hunt down references.
From tt11758
FQ:
I know I give you all kinds of shit on this board, but I want to thank you, also. Your posts, while often royally pissing me off, also cause me to examine my own opinions and biases, which can never be a bad thing.
I want to thank you both sincerly as you both just made my day. It proves that I still can do my job even though I've been out of work for a few months. I don't mean this to sound condecsending at all. On the contray it proves that a smart old man, who gets smarter every day, had it right. He gave me the best advice I ever got as a prof and it was this. "Treat your class like a dinner party, say something provoctive, but which raises a good point. Then shut the hell up and listen (I'm still working on the shutting up part ;)). You will know if you've succeded if YOU learned something. If you didn't try harder, because you screwed up." I rarely leave this board feeling I didn't learn something. Its why I keep coming back.
FQ13
I've always considered that the definition of a smart man. Personally, with every new thing that I learn I also learn how little I actually know.
BTW: dude, seriously, two words for you: SPELL CHECK. ;D
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FQ, If we didn't razz you about SOMETHING you would think the Body snatchers got us ;D
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And please.....one (1) space after a comma and two (2) after an end punctuation, colon or semicolon. Your sentence and paragraph structure blow!
;D
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And please.....one (1) space after a comma and two (2) after an end punctuation, colon or semicolon. Your sentence and paragraph structure blow!
;D
I fall into that category too ;D
one space or so after everything.
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Okay, sorry about the spelling, but I can't get MS spell check to install. Me, I'm dyslexic. I didn't learn how to read till I was 5 and that was because my folks (thank God my mom used to be a teacher) caught the problem and got me a tutor. She taught me to read by whispering the words out loud when I read and write. I do that to this day. It's why I will insert there for their and the like. It infects my typing as well as I just don't read the words on the screen correctly even when I give it a cursory double check. It's odd that I can "speed read" okay, but have to through anything I write without a spell checker letter by leter. Here, sorry guys, I just don't care enough as I know I'll get flamed anyway. Why bother? ;D
FQ13
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FQ,
This is a good spell check program for Internet Explorer.
http://www.iespell.com/
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What does an eating disorder have to do with your spelling?
;D
Just kidding.....dyslexia is a tough thing to beat. It can set kids back years if not caught early. Once again, thank your parents, not your teacher! The first five years of your childs life are a terrible thing to waste. They're like sponges!
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What does an eating disorder have to do with your spelling?
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Just kidding.....dyslexia is a tough thing to beat. It can set kids back years if not caught early. Once again, thank your parents, not your teacher! The first five years of your childs life are a terrible thing to waste. They're like sponges!
I thank them every day Timothy, because what could have been a handicap, is now nothing more than a nusiance. Honestly, there is no way I would be able to do what I do for a living if my mom hadn't been a second grade teacher and caught it early. I went through grad school without owning a real TV. I read novels for fun. I wouldn't have made it there, or been able to enjoy reading without my folks and I am very grateful.
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I thank them every day Timothy, because what could have been a handicap, is now nothing more than a nusiance. Honestly, there is no way I would be able to do what I do for a living if my mom hadn't been a second grade teacher and caught it early. I went through grad school without owning a real TV. I read novels for fun. I wouldn't have made it there, or been able to enjoy reading without my folks and I am very grateful.
I, too, am mildly dyslexic. I've found a support group, however. It's called M.A.D. (Mothers Against Dyslexia)
Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist? He didn't believe in dog.
Thank you, I'll be here all week, and don't forget to tip your servers. ;D
I'm going to hell for that, ain't I?
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My only problem with IEspellcheck that Haz posted was remembering to USE it ;D
And thank you for not making us work to hard finding something to flame you on, especially on the rare occasions we might agree with you. ;D
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I'm going to hell for that, ain't I?
Not even close. Nice try though! 8)
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I appreciate the time you put into your post. I take it as a sign of respect. I mean that. If you just thought I was a useless A@#hole, like onrecess you would not have bothered. I thank you for that. I must add a couple of small points and then one large one. Point the first, calling a liberal (which I am not unless you're talking about social policy) a fascist is an oxymoron. Fascism is by definition associated with a right wing style authoritarianism that views the state as the legitimate protector of an organic national identity. Try dictatorial instead. Second point, the religious right is large and well funded, or maybe you failed to notice the Christian Coalition, Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed and James Dobson? This is a movement that seeks to marry church and state, has zero regard for small government and trends dangerously close to Dominion theology. I do not like, trust or support it as a Christian, a Libertarian or an American. Please note I am not talking about conservative Christians in general, or even all members of the group, just it's leaders. Even they mean well, I just think that they confuse secular conservatism with Biblical Christianitity and drift dagerously close to theocracy. This is, if you understand the Dominion theology reference a larger debate than we can take up here, but if you want to address it elsewhere I would be happy to. Finally, my larger point is that Palin just rubs me the wrong way.This isn't about sexism. I disagree with her social policies, don't like her attitude, and am less than impressed with her resigning from office before the end of her term. Period. Full stop. Why does this get folks so POd? Honestly, there is not a one of us who hasn't met a politician that for one reason or another we just don't like. I don't like Palin Sam I Am.
Peace
FQ13
You're welcome.
I took the time this AM because unlike all of you here apparently, I actually go to bed at a reasonable hour. As a result, I get up at unreasonable times and have time to kill! ;D
i posted that the way I did this time to show you how easy it is to deconstruct your points and statements. And that should be your concern - it is that easy.
Tom addressed the liberal/fascist thing, but I do want to expand on it a bit. Being a former (and now current again) Roman/Latin scholar, I am well aware of how Mussolini (he of the hung upside down from a street lamp post fame) took the ancient Roman word and concept and changed it into a totalitarian regime. My use of the lower case "fascism" was to reflect the totalitarian nature of the uber-left - our way or be destroyed. Do not focus on the textbook definition - look at the historical realities.
And although so-called right-wing "fascists" - in the totalitarian sense - have existed (Franco for example), the overwhelming fascist presence in this world in the past 100 years has been socialist or communist - hard core left-wing, not right. From Stalin and Mao and Hitler to Castro, Pol Pat, Allende, the Sandanistas and others, the most destructive, totalitarian gummints have been left.
As for the so-called "religious right", I spoke of 3 left wing organizations. You mentioned one Christian organization and 3 individual Christians (you forgot Dobson, BTW). Hardly a huge, well organized "vast right wing religious conspiracy" here. My 3 left wing organizations are extremely well financed (by our tax dollars now too) and well organized. Not to mention they and others are all currently very active in destroying this country. The folks you mentioned have been marginalized and do not wield 1/10 the power and fund raising capabilities of the 3 I mentioned, let alone all of the others that exist. So my point remains - the so-called "religious right" is more a creation of Alinsky's destructive techniques as practiced by the left, than it is a real political force. You need to deal with that fact. Once again your hatred gets in your way.
And the simple fact that as a "Christian" you can ignore these perceived "leaders" stands in stark contrast to how the left works. If you were to stand against Clinton or Soros or some other left "darling", you would be attacked and if not destroyed then at the very least marginalized as well. It is the left that will not tolerate dissension, not the right.
Palin can rub you the wrong way, the same way that Romney rubs me the wrong way. The problem is your attacks on her are so vacuous and vague that it smacks of sexism in the extreme. So you do need to re-evaluate your so-called feminist and "libertarian" beliefs. They do not bear close scrutiny.
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Mussolini was an avowed socialist until he realized that Marxist rhetoric doesn't fly in elections so he switched the rhetoric to a nationalist theme and referred to it as the Fascisti, thus why he is known as the "father of fascism". Hitler became a member of the NSDAP, the National Socialist German Workers Party, because it was both anti Semitic* and anti wealth. He hated the wealthy, hated them, and while he allowed private ownership of property he still told you what to do/make and still confiscated profits for his programs and military.
There is absolutely nothing about those platforms that is remotely libertarian, objectivist, "conservative" by American historical standards, or any other ideology that believes in the power of the individual, rather they are collectivist (ie "Left Wing") in which the community/country comes before the individual. "Left Wing" and "Liberal" are two different things entirely.
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Mussolini was an avowed socialist until he realized that Marxist rhetoric doesn't fly in elections so he switched the rhetoric to a nationalist theme and referred to it as the Fascisti, thus why he is known as the "father of fascism". Hitler became a member of the NSDAP, the National Socialist German Workers Party, because it was both anti Semitic* and anti wealth. He hated the wealthy, hated them, and while he allowed private ownership of property he still told you what to do/make and still confiscated profits for his programs and military.
There is absolutely nothing about those platforms that is remotely libertarian, objectivist, "conservative" by American historical standards, or any other ideology that believes in the power of the individual, rather they are collectivist (ie "Left Wing") in which the community/country comes before the individual. "Left Wing" and "Liberal" are two different things entirely.
Mostly agreed. I tend to divide politics along the lines of authoritarian/statist vs libertatrian/individualistic. Its based on the programs and results, I dont care about the left or right labels.
FQ13
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I, too, am mildly dyslexic. I've found a support group, however. It's called M.A.D. (Mothers Against Dyslexia)
Did you hear about the dyslexic atheist? He didn't believe in dog.
Thank you, I'll be here all week, and don't forget to tip your servers. ;D
I'm going to hell for that, ain't I?
TT, YA SCREWED IT UP! It "Ever here of DAM....it's Mothers against Dyslexia". ;)
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First of all I want to admit that my spelling and grammer are atrocious and so is my typing. When I have the time and a dictionary I can usually write adequetly. I can't install that ispell program or what ever it is on this computer. So forgive me for the massacre of the engish language that I do so often. I often wonder if I may be slightly dyslexic resulting in my poor spelling. The true reason behind my spelling may be that I had my father in grade school as a spelling teacher. Not that he was a bad teacher, but the student was lacking, rebellious, and unwilling.
I can't wax nearly as prophetic as many of you on this forum and don't possess the knowledge base on many of the subjects that so many of you have.
My take on Palin. Many, both on the left and the right, especially a lot of women, are afraid of her. The fear of Palin has been masked, giving forth to so many covers as to why some don't like her. She is normal, she has true humble beginnings, she is strong, she is a credible threat to liberals. She has achieved great things basically on her own with out the normal channels of political ladder climbing. She is the antithesis of the feminist myth. Palin is smart, perhaps ignorant in some matters, but knowledge of those matters can be achieved and her enemies know this, The left knows how dangerous Palin is to them. The left knows they must destroy her. It is difficult for them to attck Palin with the truth. The left must assault with personal destruction and lies. The left must.......................to be continued some time.
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Here's something else about the FQ/ Palin debate. and FQ REALLY needs to think about it.
If FQ or any of the rest of us cast our vote based on I "like this person," or " I think that person is a miserable SOB" we are just as bad as the enemy.
This is not supposed to be a popularity contest to see who's more "likable".
It's supposed to be a JOB INTERVIEW to see who will do the best job administering the Nation, even if the best candidate is a hateful prick.
We've already seen how the "American Idol" candidate is working out.
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Mostly agreed. I tend to divide politics along the lines of authoritarian/statist vs libertatrian/individualistic. Its based on the programs and results, I dont care about the left or right labels.
FQ13
Reminds me of the Anthropology professor from Columbia, Marvin Harris, back in the 60's and 70's who was an avowed Marxist - and demanded that we interpret all anthropological artifacts through Marxism. In other words, trim the facts to fit the Marxist dogma. So as long as your facts support your authoritarian/statist - libertarian/individualist model, everything is hunky dory? Otherwise they get ignored? Sorry to sound like a broken record, but bho was and is a huge authoritarian/statist - always has been, it is obvious in his writings.
AND. YOU. VOTED. FOR. HIM!!!
This is what I mean by letting your hatred for McCain/GOP/Palin/whatever color your judgment. No real libertarian would ever have cast a vote for bho.
BTW, I just checked the wiki posting for Harris - it glosses over the Marxist angle. I met him a number of times, I heard his presentations at various conferences, and I read his papers in the trade mags.