Something for the Quaker....

[fightingquaker13]

As I mentioned above, I agree with you completely on disliking some people just because you dislike them.  I remember when I was in college Senator (then CONGRESSMAN) Tom Harkin visited the campus.  After shaking hands with him I felt like I needed a shower.  I remember him doing his level best to try and get me to change my voter registration to the district that he represented, instead of casting an absentee ballot in my home district.  I think what caused HIM to dislike ME (something that carries over to this day, I might add) was my reply that I didn't think he really wanted me to change registration, since that would mean one more vote for his opponent.

The man simply has no sense of humor.   

I'm not going to argue the point anymore, becauseI think I've made my position and the reasons for it pretty clear. I do however want to give you kudos for your BS meter in recognizing that Harkin was never to be trusted, and your balls for saying that to his face. Good on ya'.
FQ13

[Timothy]

The fact remains that she was better qualified for an executive position than any of the other 3 at the tops of either of the major party tickets.  Let's be honest, any HR person worth a damn would've laughed Obama out of their office had he come in applying for a CEO position.  

BINGO!

And, at least McCain had some Command experience in the Navy.  He did, after all, attain the rank of Captain (O-6)...everything since is a little dissapointing.  Even if he couldn't manage his office very well, at least we would not be saddled with an ALL LIBERAL Government, the Emmanuel brothers, Sotomayor and any number of other foul breath communists in the West Wing.

We'd only have a RINO who believes in a strong defense and would have left the economy to the experts.  It still isn't a crime to make a profit in this country, regardless of how obscene the amount!  

[tt11758]

I'm not going to argue the point anymore, becauseI think I've made my position and the reasons for it pretty clear. I do however want to give you kudos for your BS meter in recognizing that Harkin was never to be trusted, and your balls for saying that to his face. Good on ya'.
FQ13

On the "choice" issue, and Governor Palin as well, you and I will simply have to agree to disagree.  I still view abortion as murder, and am extremely glad that Roe v Wade wasn't decided a year earlier than it was, since a wonderful adopted niece, who is the apple of my eye, may well never have been born had it been decided a year earlier.

That being said, while I abhor abortion and like Palin, as a Constitutionalist, I will staunchly defend your 1st amendment right to be wrong on these issues.   

[tt11758]

I'm not going to argue the point anymore, becauseI think I've made my position and the reasons for it pretty clear. I do however want to give you kudos for your BS meter in recognizing that Harkin was never to be trusted, and your balls for saying that to his face. Good on ya'.
FQ13

Thanks!!  You may have noticed that one seldom has to guess where I stand on any given issue. 

[Rastus]

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And like good libs everywhere, your post all about me - me - ME!!!  You used the words "I" or "me" or "my" nearly 20 times in this one post.
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Maybe you guys are making progress.  At least in the last few posts on this thread he didn't refer to himself as the 3rd person.  Do your own thinking or research into the meaning of 3rd person references for self, but I think it shows you are drawing him out.

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That being said, while I abhor abortion, as a Constitutionalist, I will staunchly defend your 1st amendment right to be wrong on the issue.  

Not a bad reply.......I might have said I'd let him talk and let him defend his own his own 1st Ammendment right.  

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[fightingquaker13]

Maybe you guys are making progress.  At least in the last few posts on this thread he didn't refer to himself as the 3rd person.  Do your own thinking or research into the meaning of 3rd person references for self, but I think it shows you are drawing him out.
 
Not a bad reply.......I might have said I'd let him talk and let him defend his own his own 1st Ammendment right.  

The reason FQ13 refers to himself in the third person in postscripts is IRONY Rastus. You know, sarcastic humor aimed at either oneself or the absurdity of situation? Call me many things and I will have to agree, but egotistical isn't one of them. I think I've demonstrated that I will admit fault and treat my critics with respect on this board. I ain't proud Rastus and I won't complain about a fair hit. Just keep them above the belt please.
FQ13

[tt11758]

FQ:

I know I give you all kinds of shit on this board, but I want to thank you, also.  Your posts, while often royally pissing me off, also cause me to examine my own opinions and biases, which can never be a bad thing.  I suspect there is more upon which we agree than there is about which we disagree.  On the latter, we'll agree to disagree.  I believe Tom when he says that one day you'll come around. 

Anyway, thanks for disagreeing without being too disagreeable.   

But dude, seriously,voting for OBAMA?!? 

[tombogan03884]

 A few ( more ) comments on the previous posts.
I like Biden, when they remove his muzzle he makes me laugh 
I also liked Cheney, He didn't attend funerals, he arranged them. And you have to love a guy who shoots a lawyer 
The reason the left hates Palin is because she manages to be everything they CLAIM they want to see for women, with out being a dyke or a bitch.
A couple of you have "attacked" the "religious right", I'm going to cherry pick some phrases here :

JOHN, by the grace of God King of England

KNOW THAT BEFORE GOD, for the health of our soul and those of our ancestors and heirs, to the honor of God, the exaltation of the holy Church, and the better ordering of our kingdom,
(from the Magna Carta )
In ye name of God Amen.

Haveing undertaken, for ye Glorie of God, and advancements of ye Christian faith,

in ye presence of God, and one of another;
(From the Mayflower Compact)

all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,

Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world

with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
(from the Declaration of Independance)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof,
(From the US Constitution )

that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom
(Gettysburg Address )

, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God.
(Emancipation Proclamation)
My point and question being, what is wrong with governing based on a belief in something higher than self ? What is wrong with holding members of Government to a standard of morality with out which the driving force of said government becomes mere control and expediency ?

FQ stated that
 "calling a liberal (which I am not unless you're talking about social policy) a fascist is an oxymoron. Fascism is by definition associated with a right wing style authoritarianism that views the state as the legitimate protector of an organic national identity. Try dictatorial  instead.
In fact, the only differences between Communism and Fascism are focus, they are BOTH totalitarian governments, one focused entirely on the Individual state, the other focused on spreading it's ideology and eliminating all external dissent.

There have been a bunch more posts since I started typing, so I will close by saying that while I give you crap as well some times I not only have to think to do it, but even occasionally hunt down references.

[fightingquaker13]

From Tom:
There have been a bunch more posts since I started typing, so I will close by saying that while I give you crap as well some times I not only have to think to do it, but even occasionally hunt down references. 
 
From tt11758
FQ:

I know I give you all kinds of shit on this board, but I want to thank you, also.  Your posts, while often royally pissing me off, also cause me to examine my own opinions and biases, which can never be a bad thing. 

I want to thank you both sincerly as you both just made my day. It proves that I still can do my job even though I've been out of work for a few months. I don't mean this to sound condecsending at all. On the contray it proves that a smart old man, who gets smarter every day, had it right. He gave me the best advice I ever got as a prof and it was this. "Treat your class like a dinner party, say something provoctive, but which raises a good point. Then shut the hell up and listen (I'm still working on the shutting up part ). You will know if you've succeded if YOU learned something. If you didn't try harder, because you screwed up." I rarely leave this board feeling I didn't learn something. Its why I keep coming back.
FQ13
 

[tt11758]

From Tom:
There have been a bunch more posts since I started typing, so I will close by saying that while I give you crap as well some times I not only have to think to do it, but even occasionally hunt down references. 
 
From tt11758
FQ:

I know I give you all kinds of shit on this board, but I want to thank you, also.  Your posts, while often royally pissing me off, also cause me to examine my own opinions and biases, which can never be a bad thing. 

I want to thank you both sincerly as you both just made my day. It proves that I still can do my job even though I've been out of work for a few months. I don't mean this to sound condecsending at all. On the contray it proves that a smart old man, who gets smarter every day, had it right. He gave me the best advice I ever got as a prof and it was this. "Treat your class like a dinner party, say something provoctive, but which raises a good point. Then shut the hell up and listen (I'm still working on the shutting up part ). You will know if you've succeded if YOU learned something. If you didn't try harder, because you screwed up." I rarely leave this board feeling I didn't learn something. Its why I keep coming back.
FQ13
 

And I thought it was because you were a masochist.