Arizona Gov. Brewer Vetoes Campuses Carry

[TAB]

I never said anything about what arms, should or should not be used for.


The point I was making, is fighting battles you can't win, does you no good.

 
I would also say that a teacher, that has a average grade of thier students of 85% is doing pretty good.  Assuming they are actually teaching what they should.   In the case of math, a teacher teaching the skills that are needed for real life probs and the "tools" needed to be successful in the next level of math.

[Solus]

would you feel the same if they had lost?

 luckly it came out in or favor, but it could have went the other way.

What most people don't understand, the lawyers that tried heller, had a plan of action that had been though about for a long peroid of time, they then went looking for a case.  Not the other way around, where the case came up and  then they planed thier argument.

That is true.   But it had a chance and we won.

It will NEVER go our way if we don't try every chance we get.....and the  harder we try, the more we stand together, the better our chance is. 

[Solus]

Its in math...

m58 let me put it too you like this...


lets just say your kid brings home his report card, and has a F in math.  you go to talk to the teacher and ask why.  The teacher says your kid never turns in home work, failed every single test and does nothing but talk none stop in class.  they go on to explain thier grading system how its a basic % system and the average student got 85%+.

would you argue with the teacher saying the grading is unfair, or would you deal with your kid?

which would be a better use of your time?

In this case, I'd work with the kid.  

Same as if a felon wanted to have his 2A rights reinstated.  I'd work with  him to have he felony conviction overturned or expunged if possible.  If not he is out of luck.   Same with the kid...if he just doesn't have what it takes to do math, he will need to find and alternative.


If, however, the teacher said that they felt the kid was too short and believed that short people never did good in math, I'd fight the teacher, not give in to the reality of the situation.

Same if the law infringed on the 2A rights of honest citizens, I'd fight or help fight that every chance I got.

And, yes, a well planned fight is most always better than a snap reaction.  Punching the cop who think you should be arrested for open carry is not a good choice but fighting the goon squad that is going door to door confiscating the weapons of honest citizens might be the last and only chance you have to stop the wrong.  

You might lose and die in the effort, but as Patrick Henry said  "I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"

Fighting every little battle might avoid the confrontation with that good squad.

I remember my first visit to Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot.   I was a strong firearms enthusiast but was still taken aback when I say probably 80% of the folks there walking around with a pistol on their hip.  After my initial reaction, I realized that this is  how it should be...as many good folks as possible prepared and ready to protect themselves and other. 

I remember when I was 16 and would carry a shotgun down the neighborhood street on the way to and from our rabbit hunting farmland (not mine personally, just were my buddies and I knew the farmer would give permission).  No one reacted critically and we were regularly wished good luck on the way out and asked how we did on the way back.  Older folks in the neighborhood would ask if we were going "rabbiting".   

There was just a common acceptance of the presence of armed honest people.   Getting back to that attitude will not be accomplished by cowering and worrying about offending the sensibilities of the hoplophobes. 

[Solus]

I never said anything about what arms, should or should not be used for.


The point I was making, is fighting battles you can't win, does you no good.

 
I would also say that a teacher, that has a average grade of thier students of 85% is doing pretty good.  Assuming they are actually teaching what they should.   In the case of math, a teacher teaching the skills that are needed for real life probs and the "tools" needed to be successful in the next level of math.

I recall the point of the movie 300.   Fighting a battle you were sure to lose was exactly what was needed to get the reluctant to unite and carry the fight and win overwhelmingly.

[JC5123]

I recall the point of the movie 300.   Fighting a battle you were sure to lose was exactly what was needed to get the reluctant to unite and carry the fight and win overwhelmingly.

Wasn't it only like 3% of the population that openly supported and fought in the revolutionary war? And everyone dismissed them as a few upstarts going up against the largest and finest military machine in the world at that time. By all rights we should have gotten our azzes handed to us, instead we charged into a battle with insurmountable odds and won our, and your freedom. Is that not worth fighting to preserve? No matter how tough the battle, or how small the victory?

Cowards only fight the fights they can win. Real men (rare in kalifornia) fight the fights, that need fighting. I have no use or patience for someone with an I can't attitude.

I forget the movie or the exact quote, but it was something like: "The person who says it can't be done is always overshadowed by the person who just did it."

Sorry Tab, but when you think the way you do about this issue, you deserve California gun laws.

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[MikeBjerum]

I quit debating/arguing last night, because I got sucked down a path of reasoning that was wrong.  It is din din time, and I'm ready for something other than work for a few minutes.

Bottom line is this is not a student vs. teacher issue.  This is the citizens of the United States of America and the protection of their Rights.  These are not constitutional rights, these are Rights that are Protected by the Constitution of the United States of America!

The Second Amendment to the Constitution is written very clear, and the language of the supporting letters and debates is very clear.  We are not fighting for new Rights or recognition of new things.  We are fighting to undo decades of wrongful stripping of our Rights.

The only lost cause or lost fight is the one that we chose not to fight!