More jihad on our shores from the Religion of "Peace"

[Pathfinder]

Its a practical question Tom. Yeah, I could have stayed quit and scored a point against Path and Rastus. But that's not what this is about. I have a certain belief. Others claim to have the same and use it to do violence in the street blowing up clinics, and to push a political agenda that I despise because it institutres the nanny state. What should I do? Do I say they don't love God as much as I do? Do I call them pharisees? Or do I just tell them I think they are wrong and and let it go? If its not easy for an Episcopalian, I doubt its easy for a reasonable  Muslim.
FQ13

If you weren't so wedded to - and blinded by - moral equivalence this wouldn't even be a discussion.

You keep dredging up the very worst of current actions by so-called Christians who are clearly wrong based on any kind of reading of the Bible. And even so, you miss the obvious distinction. Give me one example in the last decade of a so-called Christian killing mooslims for their faith or their existence. And yet, I can give you dozens of examples in this country alone of mooslims killing Americans simply for being Americans. Starting with (not the first, just a decade ago) the 9/11 attack.

Even in the so-called Christian examples you state, no one dies. The Westboro a$$holes stand around with vile and offensively wrong signs and then skedaddle for their cars when it becomes obvious that they are rather seriously outnumbered. Terry loses elections. You can and should call them - not Philistines - the hypocrites that they are. Just like Jesus labeled the Pharisees with hypocrisy - to their faces. You can also do like so many do with the Westboro folks and stand guard between them and the family of the soldier who died. You can act, openly and publicly against their apostasies.

If a "reasonable" mooslim (to use your phrase) actively protests the actions of those who act, they die.

See any differences yet?

[fightingquaker13]

This is a PM I posted to Path. I generally keep these private, but am posting it with his permission. I would also hope he would post his reply to me as well. Anyway, enough disclaimers. Here's the post:



Path
You and I rarely agree. But the fact is, as much as I disagree with you, I thank you for your last post. It made me think a bit. I try to see people as individuals and tend to disregard ideology/religion as boiler plate as we all interpret it differently (even if we claim to be literalists ). Still, there is a point at which one has to say "enough, I'm not dealing with this except at swords point".  As an academic and Episcopalian, both of which traditions say that almost everything can be argued out and settled rationally, I dislike your premise. However, facts are stubborn things whether you like them or not. Thanks for the reminder Path. I may not like it, but I think you are right on this one.  Sometimes, force is required.
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[Pathfinder]

I would also hope he would post his reply to me as well.

Wasn't part of the deal (  ) but here it is . . .

FQ -

Thank you for this note. Did you notice you started out saying you disagreed with me and then agreed with me? Just had to point that little tidbit out!   

For the record, I have said for years - since well before 9/11 in fact, that the mooslims need a serious Reformation ala Luther on freakin' steroids. Once that happens, we can live with them. Until then, we always have to watch our backs, and question those mooslims in our midst. Given the koran's approval of infidel murder, lying, cheating, et al., I see no other way.

If you think it appropriate, post your reply to me, or a facsimile thereof, in the original thread. It's not about my ego needing to be massaged. Quite the contrary, I appreciate the personal contact and am willing to leave it at that. However, the rest of the crew might benefit from your observation re' the contrast between reason, and finally understanding that there is no reasoning with evil.

Thanks.

[tombogan03884]

Its a practical question Tom. Yeah, I could have stayed quiet and scored a point against Path and Rastus. But that's not what this is about. I have a certain belief. Others claim to have the same and use it to do violence in the street blowing up clinics, and to push a political agenda that I despise because it institutes the nanny state. What should I do? Do I say they don't love God as much as I do? Do I call them pharisees? Or do I just tell them I think they are wrong and and let it go? If its not easy for an Episcopalian, I doubt its easy for a reasonable  Muslim. This is the reason religion and politics shouldn't mix. Jesus had it right, render to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and to God what is God's.

FQ13

So basically what you are saying is you would vote for a child molester if he had a good domestic and foreign policy ?
The ends justify the means ?
Only an idiot would believe it is possible to separate ones opinions on Right Vs Wrong, from their opinion of what constitutes good government.

[fightingquaker13]

So basically what you are saying is you would vote for a child molester if he had a good domestic and foreign policy ?
The ends justify the means ?
Only an idiot would believe it is possible to separate ones opinions on Right Vs Wrong, from their opinion of what constitutes good government.

Huh? I don't see where that tangent came from. This was simply a matter of critiquing evil from within, not tolerating it. For that you should see your local mosque or Cardinal Law.
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