Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2

[Robin]

Minor continuity nit, although it was hard to tell since audio wasn't sync'd: when showing a closeup of the buckshot pattern on the first drywall, it looked like the birdshot round instead.

It's unfortunate we live in a lawsuit-happy nation, but it's something we have to deal with. Since TBD is intended as a springboard for making personal choices, it may be worthwhile to put disclaimers around stuff you do/suggest to tell views they need to research their state laws.

Example 1: in some states shooting a knife wielder at the bottom of the stairs when you're at the top might land you in jail. I know the 21' "rule" but I don't think that applies vertically as well as horizontally.

Example 2: some states limit the size of OC cans civilians can own.

[MichaelJ07]

Really looking forward to the discussions after this episode as well... Every time we put the penetration demo out on DVD or a TV Segment, it gets a lot of attention. People aren't always comfortable with the results... but the physics are amazingly consistent! 

Hello,

I hope you are not basing your total penetration results on that one shot with a 9mm and that one shot with a 45cal.  The 45 bounced off the second table bringing Einstein's theories into play.  Was the 9mm a hollow point?  Are you suggesting that we trade in our 9mm's for 45's?   Or that everyone would be better off using a 45 cal "in case they missed?"  Missing may happen and it is part of the self defense equation, but it is not the salient factor in choosing one's carry calibur.

Great show by the way and LONG overdue!  Thanks for putting it together and making it happen.

Respecectfully,
Michael
Michigan

[Rob Pincus]

Thanks for watching and for the feedback, Michael.

Those types of tests have been run many many times by many people/agencies/organizations. The results are very consistent. There are already a couple of threads discussing the details here in the TBD forum and the Defense & Tactics forum.

The demo's are not meant to Suggest anything. They are meant to show that pistol rounds generally penetrate with more energy, and therefore go through more wall sections, than the .223 55gr carbine rounds. We also show that, unless you are going to step down to birdshot, the shotgun doesn't really reduce the threat level significantly to the people in the first room or two beyond where you are shooting.

For some people, penetration concerns ARE a significant factor in their firearm/round choice, for others it is barely considered. It is one of those choices that people have to make for themselves, but we want it to be an educated decision not a guess or one based on gun-shop-wisdom.

-RJP

[tombogan03884]

Somewhere in the old threads was video of a test the Army did using a mock up of a small building, with dummies scattered through it, some with body armor some with out.  They used panels of different types of outer construction, Brick, block, etc. I have not found it yet, when I do I will post a link .
If anyone else remembers this video and knows where it is PLEASE post the link.

[MichaelJ07]

Very good points, Rob.  I trust your knowledge WAY more than "gun-shop" wisdom.  Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

Michael
Looking forward each week to Wednesday night!

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[surfinguru]

Hey guys, I know this is a bit late, but why no insulation in the mock up walls? If you're intent is to show the public the realities of what one's projectile does when missing a target(s) in a residential environment, shouldn't it be as real as possible?

Thanks,
SG

[Timothy]

Most interior walls contain no insulation.

[Kid Shelleen]

Hey guys, I know this is a bit late, but why no insulation in the mock up walls? If you're intent is to show the public the realities of what one's projectile does when missing a target(s) in a residential environment, shouldn't it be as real as possible?

Thanks,
SG

Welcome surfinguru. Head on down to the Down Range Cafe and look for the New Members thread. You can give us a proper introduction there and get a proper welcome in return.

[Rob Pincus]

Surf,

Thanks for the interest in helping us get things right!  The penetration topic was really hashed out pretty thoroughly in a couple fo threads here. Use the search function and you should find a lot of good info.

-RJP