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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2009, 12:58:50 PM »
I missed E1 - ugh - catch it on the rebound.

GREAT WORK guys (and gals) top notch. Really.
I watched the new NRA defense program and got the impression it was a 1/2 hour infomercial for "X" product.
I watched TBD and tried to keep an open mind, but all sai and done, well done, I liked it very much.

Learned some on Rob's segment, Rob your 9mm GLOCK?

- Question for Michael Janich (or TBD cadre) which comes from my wife (we both watch)
In the segment towards the end, female was on the top of the stairway, Mike J was commenting that she did all things right.
My wife wants to know why would you inform someone that "I have a gun" in your own home?
Is it just a CYA exercise - or to help them make informed decisions? Possibly persuading them to leave before lethal force?

Just wondering for her information.


Good job folks A+

(p.s beautiful house.)



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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2009, 01:19:01 PM »
Thanks for watching.... that was actually a borrowed 9mm from either Mr. Bane or one of the USSA guys...  I fly in and out the next day for that taping session and didn't bring any gear with me!





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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2009, 01:23:17 PM »
NP. And (not trying to sound like a suck up) but it is US that are thanking you all for taking your time to keep us informed.
So back at ya Rob.

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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2009, 02:08:37 PM »
I thought Michael Janich did a great job of covering the questions that I had from the first episode like moving from behind a bed (not the greatest protection from on coming shots) and getting away from the window. That was my qualm with the first episode and I was very happy to see how episode 2 covered those two areas.

Also, the inability to get to a safe room was good IF you have a firearm on you or in the same room as your in. I think I would have like to see Michael touch on the option fleeing the home or even barricading.

I always liked the drywall penetration demonstration that Rob did in the PDR Combat Focus Shooting and Home Defense Tips DVD. I felt like that demonstration in this episode fit well with what Michael talked about knowing what beyond your threat.

The second episode was great!

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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2009, 02:19:46 PM »
Great episode.
Made the first episode make more sense and answered a lot of questions that some of us jumped the gun on. (is this a pun?)
Looking forward to the rest in the series.

Good job guys.

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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2009, 05:41:06 AM »
Great episode.
Made the first episode make more sense and answered a lot of questions that some of us jumped the gun on. (is this a pun?)
Looking forward to the rest in the series.

Good job guys.

 :)

  Right on the money!! Lots of info that is very well done.

Great job.
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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2009, 06:52:48 AM »
Great episode.  My wife doesn't particularly like suspense so she had me summarize it for her after I watched it.   

My DVR tapes the first available airing, which was 4pm so I too got the sound delay problem.  And the vertical hold problem on the 4:30SG.  Still very understandable.

PLUS:  One thing I emphasized with my wife and the final scenario showed was that things happen fast and that BGs aren't always deterred by the mere presence of a weapon.   You have to make the decision before hand where you draw the "line".  The no-shoot/shoot line that is.   

And that is the real key.  Planning and practice.  Decide in advance what you will and won't do.
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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2009, 08:35:31 AM »
Dear RTFM:

With regard to informing someone that you have a gun, the idea is to train yourself to do the right thing to justify your actions legally. With that said, please understand that I am not an attorney (I have to much self-respect for that), so I am speaking logically, not dispensing hard-and-fast legal advice.

Here's my logic:

According to our legal system, I'm supposed to be judged by a jury of my peers. So, if I was on trial for shooting a home invader, I would expect MY peers to show up wearing NRA hats and reading SWAT magazine, right? Well, that's not gonna happen. Instead, I'll have a bunch of nice little old ladies who hate violence, love cats, and can't understand why I didn't just put the perp in a wristlock until he found religion. As such, my job is to get them to understand that I was in fear for my life or was defending my family against the threat of death or greivous bodily injury and that my actions were reasonable and justified.

If you have called 911 or if there is anyone who could serve as a witness for your actions, I believe that clearly stating

"You are in my house. Get out"
"I have called the police."
"I have a gun."

are all good ideas. That way, the home invader knows that he hasn't somehow kicked in his OWN front door to threaten his OWN family, the police are aware of the situation and are en route, and you are prepared to defend yourself. If, after all that, he still chooses to press an attack, his intent--and your ability to justify and articulate that you were in fear for your life--are pretty clear.

Some folks may feel that this is unnecessary and that once he's in your house, it's "game on." If you live in a state with a castle doctrine, that attitude is more appropriate. However, if you live in Massachusetts or California, memorizing those phrases might not be such a bad idea. Please remember that to ensure that TBD has a broad relevance to our viewers, we really try to cover all the bases thoroughly in the time we have available (which, by the way, is actually 19 minutes per episode). If something we say or show doesn't apply to your exact circumstances, that's OK. If showing that item motivated you to consider your specific situation and either forumulate or revise your plan, it's still a success. And as a student of personal defense, that's how you should look at ALL training.

In my defensive tactics curriculum I have a saying that I usually use to describe the difference between traditional martial arts and practical fighting skills: "You don't have to fight like me; you just have to fight well." The same concept applies to what we show on TBD. Take what we present as a starting point and adapt it to your skills, your physical attributes, and your situation. As long as you have a proper, effective, and consistent solution for the problem that you can apply under stress, you're good. That's the best way to maximize the odds of saving your butt.

Stay safe,

Mike

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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2009, 08:58:12 AM »
Thank you for the well written reply, that is what I explained to Mrs. RTFM also - so it's good to know that I was (am) on the right track as to the "why did he do that."

Thank you.

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Re: Episode #2: Safe At Home Cont'd- part 2
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2009, 10:20:02 AM »
I had a situation back when I lived in Florida in the early 1980s...one New Year's Eve a very drunk man with a very bad case of wrong address tried to kick down my front door. I transitioned from my handgun to a Remington 1100 shotgun alternately loaded with #3 buckshot and slugs, called 911 and filled them in, left the phone off the hook, then very loudly informed the miscreant — loudly so that it would register on the 911 operator's tape — that I had a gun and that if he succeeded in kicking open my door, I would stop him from entering. Suffice to say in the end he decided he had the wrong address...the point being that I was less concerned about informing the miscreant than making sure the authorities had a record of what was going on.

The question on verbal "bracing" of a miscreant actually in the house is a tough question, both personal and dependent on the laws of the state you reside in — you have spent an hour with an attorney in your area specializing in personal defense, haven't you? This is a must for the armed civilian, because you need to know not only the letter of the laws, but how the court has interpreted those laws as well.

I live in a state with an old and well-precedented "castle doctrine." Because of my own situation — I am by definition a public person who talks a lot about guns — I cannot take the risk of giving anyone who would break into my home even the slightest advantage, and the state law and precedent supports me in that decision.

This discussion shows how complex decisions involving personal defense actually are and why we can only give you guidelines rather than fixed-point solutions. The important thing is for you to begin thinking about what amounts to the unthinkable and to take the steps to know — not guess, but know — the laws of your state and community as your craft your own best defense...

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