Guns That Have Changed Our Thinking & Why??

[twyacht]

wait till deepwater post some more pics of that damn Tokarev. UGLY! but absolutely functional. Snow, mud, dirt, like an AK pistol version.

Why change a good thing?   Gaston had an idea...and it worked.....

[texcaliber]

But you won't,

because it will be in your IWB or in your pocket. Yes they are ugly. Yes they are a souless piece of industrial crap which are to 1911s, what Eurotrash "Techno" is to real music. That said, its an ugly gun for an ugly job, and at seven yards or seven feet, when you're scared and operating on pure instinct, I defy you to find anything better. No Kool aid, just stone axe simple, and it goes bang every time.
FQ13

most of this is, at best, opinion. That is allowing

But you won't,

I would set up my girls college funds long before.

as for

ugly gun for an ugly job, and at seven yards or seven feet,

watch some of the Glock shooters and tell me how you can not make beautiful music with a bucket. Watching them shoot is inspiring and it is further than 7yds many times. Especially shooting at Bianchi with a Glock in the new production class. Comparing anything in the shooting world to,

Eurotrash "Techno"

is wrong on many levels. Too many.

As for your very intelligent statement,

Yes they are a souless piece of industrial crap

Soulless yes, as are all guns, but tell the person that has used the Glock to protect, defend, defeat, win, brag, carried daily, present form loveone, save one's arse or feel empowered to never again be a victim and waste their time with the soulless crap quote.

Just hope they have learned the empowerment of self control.

[Dakotaranger]

The AR changed my mind, when I was in college I drank some Jim Zumbo Koolaid when the 'AWB' was being talked about being passed.  I wasn't an gunowner until 2000 so the more I learned and shot, the more I saw how misguided and how much fertilizer was shoveled with AWB.  Both of my AR's are two of my favorite rifles because they are just fun when I just want to fling lead. The are incredibly more accurate than I am, but there are times.

[tombogan03884]

I wasn't bashing Glocks just pointing out that they are built for function with none of the old fashioned attention to aesthetics

[texcaliber]

I wasn't bashing Glocks just pointing out that they are built for function with none of the old fashioned attention to aesthetics

Never said you did and I very much agree with you on function over looks.

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[texcaliber]

Mossburg 590 did it for me. I thought i had the best shotgun money could buy for any personal dilemma with the 870MAX until I went to a shotgun class and had to transition to my left shoulder and fire. Every time I tried my trigger finger would engage the safety.Long story short, I borrowed the Instructors 590 which uses a receiver tang safety and the rest is history along with the Remington. This was a perfect storm of Murphy's Law that could of been bad but never had a chance to happen. Best class I ever took just because of this, even if it was the only "New" thing I learned.

[tombogan03884]

I wasn't bashing Glocks just pointing out that they are built for function with none of the old fashioned attention to aesthetics

Never said you did and I very much agree with you on function over looks.

I posted that for FQ's benefit, I know when he was in Charleston he was darned glad he had his Glock.
What you posted about Bianchi cup, I would put that down to 2 things, The gun works the way it's supposed to and the shooter has shot more in practice than I have in my life  

[bulldog75]

I was glad to have my glock when I got lost on the east side of columbus at 2 in the morning.

[fightingquaker13]

Texcaliber you don't need to defend Glocks to me. I own two and carry one every day. I just understand that they don't have the aesthetic appeal of blue steel and wood. But who cares? Not me, its not what I buy a pistol for. Hell my 26 is green (blech) but I'd take it in pink if I had to, its just that reliable.
FQ13

[billt]

I agree that Glocks have "no soul". If I take my Smith & Wesson Model 52, or Model 41 target pistols and look them over, they reflect craftsmanship that rival a Browning over and under. With that said both would be pretty much useless in a gun fight. It seems that the best fighting weapons are all much like the Glock in that regard.

The AK-47, AR-15, Mossberg 500, Mosin Nagant, and several others come to mind. I hate to use the term "modular weapons", but that represents a desirable feature in a battle rifle. An AR-15 rifle can be "built" on a kitchen table in less than a day. Everything fits anything, almost. If you were to try and swap barrels on a Browning Superposed, they would not match up with the same smoothness and fit of the barrel the gun was shipped with. Each one is individually hand crafted in it's final assembly process. The AR-15, Glock, and several others are assembly line produced, so as to have this complete interchangeability. It is in this process they lose their individual character.   Bill T.