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[wesmerc]

Birdshot for home defense?  Really?  I need to take a spoonful of salt while listening now.

[tombogan03884]

You pull the trigger, YOU are responsible for the final resting place of EVERY pellet. Do you want to protect your place just to go to prison because a couple pellets went through the wall and killed some one ? Maybe a kid ?
Being responsible means KNOWING what you are shooting at, AND WHAT IS BEHIND IT.

[bulldog75]

Go out and run some test in your yard. Buy some dry wall and shoot into it. I know that birdshot will kill you. I have seen what it will do to something at 20 yards. Poachers sometimes use it to shoot deer in the head at 20 yards and it will kill them on the spot, but like he said there is a lawsuit attached to every one of the pellets.

[philw]

Birdshot for home defense?  Really?  I need to take a spoonful of salt while listening now.

if you shoot a in a defensive situation   the distances would not be that large  at a guess 5 to 10 meters at most  maybe a little more,  normally less than 10 though   depending  on size of the room

now the Patton from a shot gun at those distances would still be quite tight  even with open chokes

in that case bird shot would be quite an effective shot to use  and due to needing to know your back stop   if it was to go though gyprock walls  you need to know that it won't go far and where it is going to go.




I have seen my self while hunting  when Old Mate  missed a fox  and 1 pellet ended up cracking a side windscreen and mirror on a CAT  Front-end loader all because 1 pellet  went over a 20 foot sand pile in a Quarry


he had to pay for a new mirror and screen 

[MikeBjerum]

Last night Ed Head from Gunsite was talking about "mouseguns."  He made the case that the .380 acp may be small, but no one is going to like being shot by it.  In a home defense situation if you don't kill the bad guy with the bird shot you will go a long way toward changing his attitude.

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[Rastus]

I know for a fact that it kills at 30 feet.  Bad memories of what happened to a friend's brother 40 years ago.

[PegLeg45]

A life-long friend of mine is a coroner. He showed me pics of what birdshot will do at close range.
It was not pretty. And seeing as how he got called in, evidently it was effective also.

[Timothy]

As Tom states, this is a close quarters condition.  In my 3 BR home, there isn't a room over 16 feet wide or long.  The house is about 1100 sq ft.  I have little doubt that my 870 would put a sizable hole in anything that gets in it's way using 7.5 or 8's.  The only direction I have to worry about is the direction of the intruder.  My daughters room is next to ours and not an issue, she's got a gat too!

[philw]

I know for a fact that it kills at 30 feet.  Bad memories of what happened to a friend's brother 40 years ago.

sorry to here that,  something unfortunately one would never forget


as a general rule  with shot guns chocking  they are optimised to have the best pattern  at 25 meters (82 feet)  to 40 meters ( 131 feet)

depending of course  of the type of shoot and the chokes that are being used   

as 30 feet  just under 10 meters that would be still a tight group for the shot pattern

[tombogan03884]

My apartment, Back wall to front wall is 10 yards, widest point is 4 yards. I don't need OO for that.