what do think of this article sound off

[tombogan03884]

If you are so happy wandering blindly along thinking everything is hunky dory why did you even bother commenting ?

He asked my opinion. 

From the Title ; "what do think of this article "

Ok, I have to admit, you got me on that one. 

[Ulmus]

LOL! Cool.  

I love subjects like this and use them as "thinking exercises" so this is what I came up with.

Here's a link from a survivalist forum.

http://www.whenshtf.com/showthread.php?t=23672

Now these people really don't trust the gov. and some of them are calling this unrealistic.  

(Please don't think I lump all survival/prepping forums or members into one boat.  Like everything else, there are hard-liners, moderates, and soft-liners in this group as well.)

As I stated above, this is just my opinion.  If you feel different about it, great!  I'd love to hear your thoughts on how this is going to start.  What state is going to decide to succeed first?  Montana?  North Dakota?  West Virginia? Which one has the tax base to go it alone?  Which one is actively recruiting hundreds if not thousands of its statesmen into service?  What state is spending money on food, supplies, and weapons for this battle?  What state has the money to do this?  (I used to do this when the U.P. of Michigan had a small group of people calling for creating their own state.)

Please show me some solid evidence that this is happening and then I might agree.  (I always check the sources to see how slanted they are.  You know, that old "lies, damn lies, and statistics" addage again.)

But lets play this along further.  Let's say civil war does erupt.  State against state.  Don't you think a NATO or UN coalition is going to come in and side with the President of the U.S.?  With all those nukes out there "at risk" expect the U.N. to come in and help "Secure them " from the "terrorists" that are trying to "overthrow the gov".  (And you know that is how the media will spin it.)

With all this happening, China makes its move and sucessfully switches the world monetary standard from the U.S. dollar to the B.R.I.C. currency exchange.  Thus makeing China the new superpower of the world.  (The U.S. can't have a civil war and expect to stay the reigning power.)

And don't forget Mexico.  You know they would exploit this war to their favor.  California, Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico all in Mexico's sights for expansion.  (How can they fight mexico when they are bust fighting each other?)

Now I'd like to think the Governers, Senators, and Representatives of our collective states are smart enough to realize this and will work together to keep this country in one piece.    (I know, I know.  Big gamble on that!  )

The closest thing we will see to a civil war will be the upcoming election in 2010.

Again.  My opinion.  

[tombogan03884]

The article you are quoting is based on a false premise. It assumes that this one one will be like 1861 - 65, where a States decided to opt out of the Union. In fact it is more likely to be along the lines of the Revolution where a large minority in ALL States take up arms against the regime and band together in centralized locations. (as the New England Patriots converged on Boston, logistics will be handled through battle field pickups, and foraging.
Yes there will be times when nearly naked troops will be starving unless it can be won quickly.

[Hazcat]

The article you are quoting is based on a false premise. It assumes that this one one will be like 1861 - 65, where a States decided to opt out of the Union. In fact it is more likely to be along the lines of the Revolution where a large minority in ALL States take up arms against the regime and band together in centralized locations. (as the New England Patriots converged on Boston, logistics will be handled through battle field pickups, and foraging.
Yes there will be times when nearly naked troops will be starving unless it can be won quickly.

That's OK.  I've got plenty of 'body mass' to live off  All I need is a time and place to meet!

[tombogan03884]

I'm figuring on working off "Stored fat" as well.
What I would expect is irate armed citizens congregating at their state capitals, and dragging out the State legislatures first after the Police or National Guard are sicced on them, and whether or not those groups will resist or join the rebellion will in all cases be a coin toss. After that the Rebels will need to install an interim state government, and organize the forces at hand, first for defense, then to work toward supporting fellow Patriots in surrounding states.
For example, Maine, NH and Vermont would probably fall fairly quickly, once we consolidated our own position we could either move to assist Mass in the (Second ) siege of Boston (actually the Metro area ) or launch a strike into upstate NY to  (yet again ) sweep down the Hudson Valley to isolate NYC.
The elimination of those 2 strategic points would free up
Most of the East coast as far west as the Illinois state line, between Canada and Fl. there would only be the tri state Enclave of NJ Del. and ML (including DC).
What I just outlined is exactly the same strategic situation that faced Washington, during the first. revolution.
The three key points East of the Mississippi are Boston, NYC and the Chesapeake bay region. The Key areas West of the Mississippi would be the LA and San Francisco Metro plexes causing West Coast liberalism to collapse while moving to pick off a totally isolated Chicago.

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[CDR]

Sounds like a plan.  Tom let me know when you get to the Hudson Valley....we can meet up for breakfast at Denny's in Middletown.

[tombogan03884]

 Denny's makes good omelets  

[CDR]

I'm thinking Grand Slam................

[Bic]

Personally I consider the EU Times to be a spurious source BUT, I remember when Obama was running he gave a speech during which he said he would halt all uranium enrichment and then went on to talk of a civilian security force "at least as large and well funded as the military." That's NKVD equivalent...or, in other Cold War terms..."Interior Troops" so that the military could not overthrow the dictator in a coup. This is Obama's counter coup force.

AND:

A Domestic Police Force as strong and as well funded as the U.S. Army.

I think I have heard this before.

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The research described in this report was sponsored by the United States Army under Contract No. W74V8H-06-C-0001.


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This project investigates the need for a U.S. Stability Police Force, the
major capabilities it would need if created, where in the federal government
it would best be headquartered, and how it should be staffed. In
doing so, it considers options based in the Departments of Defense,
Homeland Security, Justice, and State. The project was conducted
for the U.S. Army’s Peacekeeping and Stability Operations Institute
(PKSOI). Its purpose was to make recommendations to PKSOI, the
Army, and the community of rule-of-law researchers, practitioners, and
policymakers on the need for (and characteristics of) a U.S. Stability
Police Force.
This research was conducted within RAND Arroyo Center’s
Strategy, Doctrine, and Resources Program. RAND Arroyo Center,
part of the RAND Corporation, is a federally funded research and
development center sponsored by the United States Army.
The Project Unique Identification Code (PUIC) for the project
that produced this document is ATFCR07234.
The project point of contact is Terrence Kelly, 412-683-2300
X4905, tkelly@rand.org.


http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2009/RAND_MG819.pdf

(The following is from another bulletin board and contributor:)

From reading it I was unable to determine when the report was commissioned, so I asked.

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Mr. Kelly,

I downloaded and read this report.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/2009/RAND_MG819.pdf

I was unable to determine when the report was commissioned. Would you be able to share that information?

Thank you,




The name and address for contact was listed in the report.



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[Ulmus]

Glad to see some thought put into this.

So,   Who's gonna lead it?