minimum for daily living

[texcaliber]

Not only valid point but a good one to boot.

Lack of prep is the downfall to any confrontation of ones well being, be it physical, mental or the low % critical hypothetical.

Thanks Tom,

tex

[ratcatcher55]

As for NBC gear, i would not waste my time buying gear especially surplus 3rd world or old Warsaw Pact stuff.
What your getting is kit that has expired or been obsoleted. Basically junk.

As  Cutter68CB said HazMat spills are very common and commercial tankers are considered a viable target. I attended a "war game" where they blew up several rail cars in a city next to the local airport.  IMHO the response was a terrible but the powers to be claimed victory and went home fat dumb and happy.

Having a bug out plan with gear and a place to go would be the best option.  Respirators really need to be fit tested to make sure they have a good seal. They also need the right cartridge for the gas or vapor. Charcoal is great for some things but maybe next to useless for other things.

Concentration falls of by the square of the distance so just get out of the area. Typically if your are more than 3 miles from the a big event you are OK even if it involves several rail cars. The BDS show was spot on when they covered spills and dirty bombs.

[Cutter68CB]

As for NBC gear, i would not waste my time buying gear especially surplus 3rd world or old Warsaw Pact stuff.
What your getting is kit that has expired or been obsoleted. Basically junk.

As  Cutter68CB said HazMat spills are very common and commercial tankers are considered a viable target. I attended a "war game" where they blew up several rail cars in a city next to the local airport.  IMHO the response was a terrible but the powers to be claimed victory and went home fat dumb and happy.

Having a bug out plan with gear and a place to go would be the best option.  Respirators really need to be fit tested to make sure they have a good seal. They also need the right cartridge for the gas or vapor. Charcoal is great for some things but maybe next to useless for other things.

Concentration falls of by the square of the distance so just get out of the area. Typically if your are more than 3 miles from the a big event you are OK even if it involves several rail cars. The BDS show was spot on when they covered spills and dirty bombs.

Sorry I haven't had a chance to respond to you ratcatcher as I have worked a bit lately, so here goes...
All I really wanted to point out is knowing about what is in the general area of your home/work and the travel between. I drive 112/70 miles one way to the 2 places I go on duty at at all hours of the day and night. I also live 4 blocks from a rail yard that switches out these types of cars. The routes that I take to work are along these main rail lines too. Lets not forget that I sometimes switch out these types of cars at the yards I work. Odds are that most people will only see one of these on the news and never have to worry. But, As I am around these types of cars almost daily, it only seems prudent to have the gear available as part of my bug out box...I only used the term NBC as a referance as most people will recognize the term.

     As for my knowledge and/or experiance with such. I have had everything from Military/Law enforcement to years doing (H2S) poison gas drilling. Speaking of H2S it is oderless, clear and stays low to the ground. Kills you before you know your in it. My gear is current american made and I keep an eye on the experation dates of the cartridges.

 I agree that the best thing to do is get away. If you live in a "Danger Zone"? Make it part of your families emergency plan.

     About 4 years ago we had an accident near San Antonio, Texas where a train crew had a derailment of about 4 cars. One of them was a tanker that began to leak. To make a long story short, the crew died along with 2 people in a house next to the tracks. 

[m25operator]

I guess this discussion shows the MDL requirements vary with the sitrep, and conditions of your life, I would carry different things in the cold dark north, than I carry here in Texas. As little bro points out, he may be involved, much more than I, in a chemical hazard. My daily personal pack, on the body, are 2 flashlights, 1 rechargeable stinger, because I use it all day, 1 sure fire LED light, for when the stinger go's down. 1 j frame in the right pocket with 2 reloads in the left.  1 spyderco emt knife in the open, and one cold steel voyager 5" concealed, ( not for opening boxes ) , 1 pair of vise grips, 4", handy for anything, not to mention the all important pocket screw driver, the kind they give away, it is amazing how much trouble I can get into with just that little dude, from stabbing an eye to removing damn near anything, hose clamps, dash pieces etc... The truck which is close, has a glock 21 and 2 spare mags, a full tool kit, wood saws,machete,  rope, chain, come along, shovel, ratcheting tie downs, jacks x 3, with 2x6" x 2' box steel for when your in soft material, and your jacks will just sink into the ground without something to put them on between the dirt and it. Lots of cable ties. Once made an emergency V belt for the alternator with cable ties, got us 30 miles back to the house at night. Emergency kit, water, space blanket, power bar type food, some simple dressings, need to add some meds to it, after reading all this. At work, I have a Kahr k40 with 4 mags, and a folding stock Sks, with 50 rds on strippers, that hides neatly in my tool box, plus bottled water, and food, canned soups, pasta stuff, and can last a week if needed. The extra guns at work are for the coworkers, if something bad happens, a cool few know where they are and can reach them if I'm somewhere else, even 2 air guns for small game, pigeons abound and few rabbits in the vacant but wooded lot across the street.

ON 9/11 I had everything except the rifle, on 9/12 I added the rifle to the shop, and an AR in the truck, don't carry the AR in the truck anymore, but if news go's bad, I can take the sks and put it in the truck, for the ride home.

Good discussion.

[fightingquaker13]

I guess this discussion shows the MDL requirements vary with the sitrep, and conditions of your life, I would carry different things in the cold dark north, than I carry here in Texas. As little bro points out, he may be involved, much more than I, in a chemical hazard. My daily personal pack, on the body, are 2 flashlights, 1 rechargeable stinger, because I use it all day, 1 sure fire LED light, for when the stinger go's down. 1 j frame in the right pocket with 2 reloads in the left.  1 spyderco emt knife in the open, and one cold steel voyager 5" concealed, ( not for opening boxes ) , 1 pair of vise grips, 4", handy for anything, not to mention the all important pocket screw driver, the kind they give away, it is amazing how much trouble I can get into with just that little dude, from stabbing an eye to removing damn near anything, hose clamps, dash pieces etc... The truck which is close, has a glock 21 and 2 spare mags, a full tool kit, wood saws,machete,  rope, chain, come along, shovel, ratcheting tie downs, jacks x 3, with 2x6" x 2' box steel for when your in soft material, and your jacks will just sink into the ground without something to put them on between the dirt and it. Lots of cable ties. Once made an emergency V belt for the alternator with cable ties, got us 30 miles back to the house at night. Emergency kit, water, space blanket, power bar type food, some simple dressings, need to add some meds to it, after reading all this. At work, I have a Kahr k40 with 4 mags, and a folding stock Sks, with 50 rds on strippers, that hides neatly in my tool box, plus bottled water, and food, canned soups, pasta stuff, and can last a week if needed. The extra guns at work are for the coworkers, if something bad happens, a cool few know where they are and can reach them if I'm somewhere else, even 2 air guns for small game, pigeons abound and few rabbits in the vacant but wooded lot across the street.

ON 9/11 I had everything except the rifle, on 9/12 I added the rifle to the shop, and an AR in the truck, don't carry the AR in the truck anymore, but if news go's bad, I can take the sks and put it in the truck, for the ride home.

Good discussion.

And people call me paranoid. I agree one hundred percent. I hunt, fish, camp and shoot. I've got to store the stuff someplace. Why not where I can get at it quickly? The bed of the truck (with some good plastic boxes) seems as good a place as any to keep a pack, tools, gear and rations for a week as well as a weapon or two. What good does all that stuff do me in the attic?
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[bryand71]

After reading all the things you all carry, I feel totally unprepared. Unfortunatly, I drive a company owned vehicle during the week and am prohibitted from having a weapon in the truck. I do carry a 2" Gerber folder for utility and a CRKT M16-13M folder for defense, a mini-mag lite with a LED conversion is my daily work light.
For my weekend job as Security, I am again prohibited from having anything (OC spray, knife or gun) on my person while on shift. I do still carry the same knives (rules be damned) and a Kobalt LED Tactical light. With my weekend job, I am in the downtown area, so all the public parking is city owned (no weapons on city property), and if I park in the loading dock area, I am on company property (another gun-free zone). So I am pretty much SOL as far as staying within the law and within company policy. I am really starting to think twice about the weekend job restrictions since I work 2nd shift and have been approched before by people asking for money.

I may have to say the hell with the law and the rules and just do what I think is best for me. I don't know, will have to ponder the situation some more. Any suggestions?

[texcaliber]

After reading all the things you all carry, I feel totally unprepared. Unfortunatly, I drive a company owned vehicle during the week and am prohibitted from having a weapon in the truck. I do carry a 2" Gerber folder for utility and a CRKT M16-13M folder for defense, a mini-mag lite with a LED conversion is my daily work light.
For my weekend job as Security, I am again prohibited from having anything (OC spray, knife or gun) on my person while on shift. I do still carry the same knives (rules be damned) and a Kobalt LED Tactical light. With my weekend job, I am in the downtown area, so all the public parking is city owned (no weapons on city property), and if I park in the loading dock area, I am on company property (another gun-free zone). So I am pretty much SOL as far as staying within the law and within company policy. I am really starting to think twice about the weekend job restrictions since I work 2nd shift and have been approched before by people asking for money.

I may have to say the hell with the law and the rules and just do what I think is best for me. I don't know, will have to ponder the situation some more. Any suggestions?

O.C. personal spray a big necessity. If people apporched in the pass and you fail in the future to desclate the hypathical situation verabley, then the next step is to resort to non-leatheal OC spray. Keep the biggest bottle you can carry on you. Appeal to your managment that it will be a good way to protect life. Even if it is yours.
tex

[fightingquaker13]

[quote author=bryand71 link=topic=10251.msg146248#msg146248 date=126559280

I may have to say the hell with the law and the rules and just do what I think is best for me. I don't know, will have to ponder the situation some more. Any suggestions?
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My general rule of thumb is not to do anything that will get you thrown in jail. After all, the purpose of the gun is to get you out of trouble, not into it. As far as company rules go however...... Concealed does mean concealed. An ankle holster may be a bitch to draw from, but its better than nothing, almost impossible for the untrained eye to detect, and if I ever have to draw a gun, getting fired is the least of my worries. I carry far more stuff than I need in my truck. Its just that, as I said, I have to keep it somewhere, why not where its available? The odds of me needing a weeks worth of gear and an AR on a moments notice are micro-scopic. If I need them, odds are good it will be for a hurricane and I'll have a weeks notice. Again though, why not keep it handy?  Its your call to make.
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[texcaliber]

I would also check into collapsable batons. This just maybe the ticket for your anti protection secondary job.

tex

[texcaliber]

Forgot the most important tool, TRAINING.

Not joking, once you have decided your carry gear, get trained. Even if they give you a wakie-takie learn how to cave a S.O.B.'s head in while you can remain safe and defend your actions.

Even empty hand training, look into Michael Janich "Forever Armed: A Combative Guide To The Use Of Improvised Weapons"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioUjX3KggFU 

You should be good to go and feel better about your situation with a little knowledge

tex.