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[fightingquaker13]

FQ, If what you say were really true people would not have risked jail this summer to voice their opposition to BO, The 9-12 protest would have fizzled like the "Million Mom" and Million Man" marches that didn't get half that many people, the estimates on the 9-12 protest range from over 1 million to over 2 million.
Besides,what the mob wants isn't relevant, for starters every single one of the policies espoused by liberals be they RINO's or openly Democrat, have been tried before and failed, as an example the "Stimulus bill " was the same thing FDR tried and his policies have been PROVEN to have lengthened the Depression they were meant to shorten, during the 90's when Japan's economy was in the crapper they tried 8 stimulus packages and the result was that things got worse after each one, the only thing they did was drive their national debt up to 50% of GDP.
Second, this is not a "Democracy" We have RULES on what Government can and can not do. One of them says that powers not SPECIFICLY granted to it are reserved for the states and the people, that means that it is no business of the Feds one way or the other.

To be fair, the "stimulus" was also pretty much the same thing that W. and Paulson tried. Beyond that, I pretty much agree, but you have to sell it. If people aren't buying, its not their fault, its yours. Try harder, try smarter, or go back to the drawing board. That's lesson number one for any company or political activist. Somethings take time to gell, you don't plan for the next election, but the next generation, sometimes you just need to market yourself better. Either way, don't blame the "sheeple", blame the shepards. Its why I don't like the religious right. Its made up of lazy and incompetetant preachers. They can't do their jobs on Sunday, so they want to sieze political power to MAKE me do the things they shoud be able to persuade me to do willingly, if they were doing their job right. The thing is Tom, that TR is the example of why I'm right (though I wish I wasn't) and you are wrong. He embodies fiscal liberalism (trust busting etc), social conservatism (the comstock laws and the codification of Jim Crow law), and a nationalistic FP. He was popular for a reason. The American public hasn't changed all that much in 100 years. Go forth and convince people who disagree with you, don't just preach to the amen chorus.
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[tombogan03884]

SELL IT ? (yes I'm yelling ) That broad in La. got $300 million for her vote on health care, the guy who held out got $3.5 BILLION in Exemptions from Medicare cuts, Ma. and Vt got half a BILLION EACH, if you used those type "marketing ploys" in the private sector you would go to jail, there are in fact guys from Boeing and a couple other Companies who DID go to prison and they were dealing with Governments. Half the mob trials in NY are for exactly the same type of behavior.
TR was popular for his FOREIGN POLICY, His domestic policy was the beginning of the down fall of America, He was the first to talk of socialist health care, and his intrusion into places Government had no authority made him one of the most hated men in the south.
Because of his stand on Jim Crow laws  Some one asked very Liberal Woodrow Wilson why the Ground hog went back in his hole . Wilsons answer was that he was afraid Roosevelt would put a coon in his place if he was gone to long.
As for "Convincing the people", f-ck the people, When will you get it through your over educated head that in a Republic the LAW takes precedence over who screams the loudest. To quote one of My Platoon Sgt', "This ain't no f-cken Democracy" the Constitution is the "Law of the Land" and all politicians who violate that along with the "Activist Judges and SC Justices who let them get away with it should be killed, preferably by public hanging but I'm not fussy.
If Americans want to be like Europeans we should take a page from English history, 90 years after his death Oliver Cromwell was dug up and beheaded, Johnson and FDR should get the same treatment.

[fightingquaker13]

As a side note. In regards to Jim Crow, Wilson was a racist SOB who segregated the federal civil service so "that white women would not have to work in proximity to negro men". He was from Virginia, politics aside. TR was a coward on the issue (for probably the only time in his life). He failed to pull an Ike and send federal troops down South to remind my cousins of exactly who lost the war and tell them to suck it up and obey the 14th and 15th Ammendments to the Constitution or look at bayonets. This was the appropriate response. He wasn't man enough to take it.
FQ13 Who can't help but imagine the climactic scene of "The Wind and the Lion" taking place in Atlanta Screw MLK. This how it should have been  done, and I say this a Southerner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl9xQ7AN8hM&feature=related

[Texas_Bryan]

As a side note. In regards to Jim Crow, Wilson was a racist SOB who segregated the federal civil service so "that white women would not have to work in proximity to negro men". He was from Virginia, politics aside. TR was a coward on the issue (for probably the only time in his life). He failed to pull an Ike and send federal troops down South to remind my cousins of exactly who lost the war and tell them to suck it up and obey the 14th and 15th Ammendments to the Constitution or look at bayonets. This was the appropriate response. He wasn't man enough to take it.
FQ13 Who can't help but imagine the climactic scene of "The Wind and the Lion" taking place in Atlanta Screw MLK. This how it should have done, and I say this a Southerner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl9xQ7AN8hM&feature=related

I glad to know that you didn't spend alot of money on your education.  Irritated though to know that it was the tax payer's, because they obviously didn't learn you right.

[fightingquaker13]

I glad to know that you didn't spend alot of money on your education.  Irritated though to know that it was the tax payer's, because they obviously didn't learn you right.

What's your beef? There is a lot that I'v said in the last couple of posts. Which points do you object to? I'll be happy to explain or debate them. Hell, maybe you can convince me, I'm not too proud to change my mind.
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[tombogan03884]

What's your beef? There is a lot that I'v said in the last couple of posts. Which points do you object to? I'll be happy to explain or debate them. Hell, maybe you can convince me, I'm not too proud to change my mind.
FQ13

On getting hoed on your so called education, hows this,

From FQ " Wilson was a racist SOB ......He was from Virginia,"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson

A leading intellectual of the Progressive Era, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Theodore Roosevelt and William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912.
In his first term, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass the Federal Reserve Act,[2] Federal Trade Commission, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and America's first-ever federal progressive income tax in the Revenue Act of 1913. Wilson brought many white Southerners into his administration, and tolerated their expansion of segregation in many federal agencies


He may have let it happen, HE did not do it. Though I will agree he was a SOB.

As for TR being a coward, you are blindly judging by the standards of your over educated ignorant co workers.
TR was a child during the Civil War, his Father worked for Lincoln and TR met him at least once, more importantly he remembered the COST of the war that had ended only 40 years before he got the Nobel Peace Prize, in the Dakota's and during the Spanish war , many of the men he dealt with had SERVED on one side or the other, For example Gen Shafter, who commanded in Cuba had been a Union Gen. while his Cavalry Commander Gen Wheeler had gained his rank as a CONFEDERATE Gen.
TR was was not about to reignite that war, which is exactly what would have happened if he sent troops into the South to cram something down their throats.
The only reason Ike got away with it was because there weren't enough of the old timers left to start that kind of trouble
You will note that it took another 30 years to get indictments in the "Mississippi Burning" case.
 DUDE, quit spouting BS book answers from your text books, they are usually wrong. Use your head for more than a hat rack, think this stuff through on your own, all that stuff about the inherent goodness of humanity that Rousseau spouted is crap, look around any where in the world and tell me how much  of that you see. Humans are animals, and just like a dog or feral pig they are ruled by self interest and force, THAT was why the founding Fathers wrote the Constitution the way they did, they knew that given a little authority it was the nature of man to try to increase it at the expense of others. What they did not take into account was that future generations would be to stupid, ignorant, selfish, or gutless to enforce it.

[fightingquaker13]

And again we (semi) agree. Wilson was an SOB (who was from Staunton Va.). The needless entry into WWI, the League of Nations and us endorsing, but not joining it (pick which was worse, but it was a disaster all around) that's not even to mention the Sedition Act of 1918 which makes the Patriot Act look like a fluffy bunny all tesify to that. Where we do part company is on Wilson "sitting on the sidelines" while segregation was codified. He approved of it. He could have fired those who supported it, but did not because he saw no reason to. The idea that we would have seen a second civil war had TR or Wilson manned up on the CONSTITUTIONAL question of the 14A and 15A is a joke. First, enforcing the Constitution isn't optional for the President, its the sum of the oath.Second, just like the Civil War, insurrection flourishes if its given air to breathe. Jackson threatend to hang Calhoun over nullification and Calhoun knew he was serious. Problem solved. Buchanan tolerated years of BS from SC trying to "compromise" without simply uttering Lincoln's words that the Union was indivisible and flown the flag. Had he done so, the war might have been prevented.  Point being that Jim Crow was codified and enforced starting about 1895. Had TR sent a very strong signal that this would NOT be tolerated in just one of many egregious cases, it would have stopped. You and I agree that people are ruled by self interest and force. The North had a huge majority of both economic and military force. Southern elites, who were by no means stupid, realized this. Had they been presented with RESOLVE, they would not have made their father's mistakes. Yet an absense of will renders power moot. Its like giving a pacifist a gun, what's the point? TR did not display the necessary will and Wilson was cheering for the other side.
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[tombogan03884]

 My point was not about Southerners who were still young enough to make the same mistake again, that was my point in mentioning Wheeler. Also, your argument makes it sound like TR had nothing else on his plate, at the same time you say he should have been suppressing the South, (with out whom he could forget reelection ) he also was negotiating the end of a war between Russia and Japan, preventing a German invasion of Venezuela, (And snipping off Panama, in the process ) Dealing with Raisuli in Morocco,Launching the "Great white Fleet" on their round the world cruise, authorizing the Naval air service, and introducing the Navy to the submarine, which he was the first President (possibly the ONLY sitting president ) to submerge in and getting the Panama Canal organized, authorized, and built.
This doesn't take into account his voracious appetite for reading and writing, letters, books, and various speeches, memo's and papers.
They was plenty busy with out pissing off half the nation.
There are only so many hours in the day and he used the crap out of them, besides the fact that he just did not have the votes in Congress to back up any action he may have wanted to take. The fact is that when it came to racial issues most of the country opposed him.