uppers

[2HOW]

OK you all know I'm not an AR guy. I want to hear, since there has been a rash of different caliber uppers posted, whats the story .? THE GOOD, BAD AND UGLY.  I dint want to know about any wussy .22 uppers. I want a good report on a practical hard hitting round that can be used in any situation. Or even a specialty round that has a dedicated mission. I'M SORRY THIS POST IS NOT APPROPRIATE AS TOM HAS A SUBSEQUENT POST> DISREGARD THIS POST

[billt]

There are many .308 AR-15 rifles, DPMS makes several models that are well priced, and the .308 is a hard hitting round.  Bill T.

[tombogan03884]

 6.8 and 6.5 are supposed to give better long range accuracy from an AR 15 lower, and then there is this, 

http://www.galleryofguns.com/about/GGGEntry.aspx

[1911 Junkie]

"wussy .22 uppers"

Until someone is willing to stand up and be shot with a .223 I will continue to have faith in the "wussy" round. But that is a different discussion.  

My next build will be a .50 beowulf. Not sure why, but you never know if you will be attacked by a Mack truck.

Or I'm going to get an AR 10 or FAL or.............Lord I need help. 

[twyacht]

I want a good report on a practical hard hitting round that can be used in any situation. Or even a speciality round that has a dedicated mission.

That would be those calibers already listed. .308 the most common for ammo availability. Specialties from LWRC, Arma-Lite, DPMS, LWT, Stag,Alexander Arms have those.

Guys kinda wierd, but a good look and description.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51XwLRg4ihA

little better description with range time on this one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgrkp8N0HUs&NR=1

 (6.5) 120gr. bullet. \

Whatchya thinkin' about there 2HOW? New Years' Resolution???

[Sponsor]

[2HOW]

"wussy .22 uppers"

Until someone is willing to stand up and be shot with a .223 I will continue to have faith in the "wussy" round. But that is a different discussion.  

My next build will be a .50 beowulf. Not sure why, but you never know if you will be attacked by a Mack truck.

Or I'm going to get an AR 10 or FAL or.............Lord I need help. 

As usual you jump to conclusions JUNKIE, I wasnt talking about the .223 or the 5.56 but the .22. So give us some other knowledge.

[2HOW]

Im lookin at the .450 and the .308 and maybe a little less in a specialty round. Whos Got? lets hear it.

[1911 Junkie]

My apologies then.  

I know someone who was building a .300 whisper AR upper. He claimed it was to be a coyote gun with night vision scope, ect.
I just am not familiar with the round.

[CDR]

Actually, after seeing tests run by Rob Pincus and Phil Strader last year on Best Defense and again by Ed Head and Tom Gresham on Personal Defense TV earlier this year where the .223/5.56 round was shot through several constructions of combined sheet rock and insulation, which were placed about 15 feet apart from one another, I'm convinced that an AR 15, ideally with Hornady TAP rounds, is absolutely the way to go for home defense.  This choice is closely followed by a shotgun with birdshot.  Neither round will penetrate your home, unlike any handgun round available which will always exit your home if the proper backstop isn't used. 

The high velocity of the AR .223/5.56 round, coupled with the yawing effect of the bullet, assures that upon impact the bullet fragments that may make it into a second segment of sheet rock are only tiny fragments that imbed themselves into the wall, unlike a handgun bullet which will just keep on penetrating right through the home and exterior siding.

It's really changed the way I think about home defense, especially with neighbors surrounding my home on all sides.  Keep the AR by the bed with a magazine in a GunVault by the bedstand.  That way the gun is still safe and unloaded yet readily available should the day ever come.

[1911 Junkie]

                    450 Bushmaster                 50 Beowulf
Bullet wt          250gr                               325gr

Velocity           2214 f/s                            2010 f/s

Energy            2722 ft/lb                         2916 ft/lb

Beowulf has a bigger thump but I wonder how accuracy compares, availabilty of ammo, brass and reloading components, etc.