Big-box store security guard tries to disarm CWP holder

[alfsauve]

I didn't read through all the pages of posting, but the poster Martha1 is from Savannah, GA.   I went looking for a newspaper article or a police report to verify the story.

What's interesting is Savannah PD's web site. 

http://www.savannahpd.org/

Among interesting things are weekly crime stats and their "recovered gun list".
The gun list makes an interesting read.   Obviously, there are probably typos and model names as opposed to manufacturers, but still some interesting entries.

.22 Gerster Berge
.42 Rock Island
10mm Wyoming
3 Winchester

There are probably some very valuable and historic guns that will never see the light of day again.

[tt11758]

Assuming this actually happened, there is something that was really never made clear in that thread that could have an impact on how things went down, at least in my opinion.

Was this an actual "Security Guard" or a "Loss Prevention Officer"?  Security Guards are normally uniformed employees of an agency other than the retailer to whom they are assigned, and SHOULD have more thorough training than Loss Prevention Officers who are, as a rule, plain clothes store employees whose job is to look for shoplifters.

One might conclude that the reaction to a uniformed individual might be expected to be somewhat more restrained than the reaction to a non-uniformed person.

Bottom Line is this.....no matter what the security person's motivations, his tactics and execution sucked.  I do have a certain amount of sympathy for him, however, since, in addition to his physical injuries and the medical bills arising from them, he is no doubt unemployed since his employer will drop him like a used Trojan just to cover their ass financially.  On the other hand, stupidity is often painful, so.............................


For future reference for the security person:
1)  No matter how scary the big, bad gun might look, so long as it remains holstered it is NOT a threat.
2)  Keep the armed individual in sight while calling 911, and wait for the professionals to arrive and assess the situation.
3)  Do not approach the individual or TAKE ANY PHYSICAL ACTION unless or until the weapon is drawn from it's holster.  Then, and only then, can a REASONABLE person be expected to believe that the armed individual is up to no good.

YMMV

[2HOW]

Lets assume hat this story is true for a minute..

That Guy is in for a world of problems. Way better to let the rent a cop take it than assault him. It was not a life threatening situation so what is he point of risking an AD...

That being said... my gut feeling is that this story is a falsehood.
Just my 2 cents...
Scott

Your out of your mind, never let anyone except a sworn LEO ever touch your weapon. He did exactly what he should of. He also needs to press charges.

[ericire12]

Put me down on the side that believes this never actually happened -- I simply posted it here as something for us to talk about.

The only real thing I find that lends this whole story to being even remotely true is the fact that the forum member has a relatively high post count, although that does not confirm that he is not some stupid Internet Commando.

I think the whole thing is a little far fetched, and I also think that if this actually happened to someone that they probably would NOT run to the Internet and tell all about it...... especially if he is not out of the woods as far as possible charges are concern.... I also dont know if there is any lawyer out there who would after consultation say, "Sure, go ahead and talk about it online".

[Rastus]

Lets assume hat this story is true for a minute..

That Guy is in for a world of problems. Way better to let the rent a cop take it than assault him. It was not a life threatening situation so what is he point of risking an AD.........

It is clearly, in the states I have lived in, assault on the part of the MALL NINJA that grabbed the gun.  The MALL NINJA committed assault.  It is assault with intent for serious bodily harm from the perspective of the gun owner because he didn't know who or what was going for his gun.  In my mind, grabbing the gun was adequete assessment for the owner to evaluate and react without further assessment for the full range of actions he took.  He obviously reassessed the situation when the threat was eliminated because no shots were fired...good on the gunowner.  Just because someone is wearing a monkey suit does not mean he isn't a baboon....i.e., without credentials there may be no foundation on which to judge if someone is what they say they are by speech or implication (uniform).

I seriously doubt that any corporate instruction says to grab someone's gun out of nowhere.  However, I will say that I have told more than one MALL NINJA that I would whip his ass if he didn't leave me alone. 

I will always attempt to protect my weapon; if for nothing else than to keep a BG from using it against me; which would also have been my evaluation had this happened to me. 

If I have to choose the law (fear of being charged with assault) or choose to become mutton I will always choose to not be mutton and forget the implications of the law for my own or my family's well being.  This concept is hard to get sometimes.  I am not trying to disrespect your opinion, but as a lawabiding citizen you have determine and decide if there are times when the law should not apply and then train yourself mentally to be able to recognize those times.

God, family and everything else in that order.

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[Timothy]

I think the whole thing is a little far fetched, and I also think that if this actually happened to someone that they probably would NOT run to the Internet and tell all about it...... especially if he is not out of the woods as far as possible charges are concern.... I also dont know if there is any lawyer out there who would after consultation say, "Sure, go ahead and talk about it online".

BINGO!

[tombogan03884]

 If it did happen I say good on the Gun owner, and he should press charges for every offense his lawyer can justify, assault, and attempted theft are the only ones I can think of.
As to rushing home and posting on the internet, that's what FQ did when he avoided being robbed in Charleston, so don't say it doesn't happen, in fact Eric if I recall you posted in that thread so you know it happens.
I don't know any Mall cops but we have in the past discussed the fact that every profession has it's share of jerks so I have no trouble believing some Paul Blart wanna be would do something that dumb.

[ericire12]

As to rushing home and posting on the internet, that's what FQ did when he avoided being robbed in Charleston, so don't say it doesn't happen, in fact Eric if I recall you posted in that thread so you know it happens.

There was no LEO involvement with Quaker's incident either, and no chances of him facing charges.... Technically, nothing actually even went down.

[TAB]

lets forget for the second that this most likly didn't happen/ went down diffrently then explained.


Why the hell would you post this on the internet?

Further more, any lawyer worth the ink on his biz card is going to tell you to not say a damn thing.  why is he still posting, in a few of his posts he mentioned his lawyer.  It was not until page 9 that he kept his mouth shut.  I know the 1st words out of my lawyers mouth, will be "do not talk to anyone".  it does not matter if I just got arrested for killing some one or I'm sueing/being sued.

its also intresting that I can't find any more info about this... other then sites that use that forum link as a refrence.


oh yeah, I'd love to see the CC video of all this.  if this did infact happen, I'd bet there is alot more too this story.

[ericire12]

oh yeah, I'd love to see the CC video of all this.

Thats another good point... if this did happen, it would be on national news.... That walmart greeter that just got beat up was all over national news.... videos like this are great eye candy that stop people from channel surfing..... Thats the major criteria in any MSM news story now a days














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