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[fightingquaker13]

I think that the really cheap crap isn't going to be carried by most newbie CCWs. I mean they will have shelled out a couple of bills for the course, the background check, photos, prints and license. I see your average newbie as either a 22 year old kid or a soccer mom. Given they are not "gun guys" they will probably take the advice of their CCW teacher who will reccomend one of the usual suspects. Failing that, I see them going Kel-tec. If you can afford to get the license, you can afford to get a solid $275 pistol, and every gun shop has them and will be happy to sell you one.
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[m25operator]

I'm gonna agree here, although the choices are narrow.

I agree if someone go's through the ccw process, they will tend to get at least a base line quality pistol, probably based on the instructors recommendations. If they try to pass the course using a lorcin, bryco, jennings, I would be surprised if they could pass the course, in accuracy or reliability, but stranger things have happened.

In base line revolvers, Rossi, Taurus, I like the Taurus better, quality seems much higher. Stay away from RG. Rohm Germany revolvers, the real saturday night specials, pierced primers, failures to fire, awful.

In Semi's, Keltec, Taurus, Star, some of the surplus pistols like the makarov and the tokarev. Ugly, but probably work well, I would stay away from the 7.62 Tokarevs due to ineffectual performance, but the 9mm does nice.  A makarov in 9x18 is a better cartridge than it used to be, and of course in .380 is ok too, if you can find ammo.

[alfsauve]

Some states, like GA, don't require a "course" and the fees are not that high.  Hence, any recommendation, would come from friends and from the gun/pawn dealer (if one is involved).

Also, I bet there are a lot of good people who are "carrying" that don't have the requisite CCW.  Especially in states that are not "must" issues.

So the question is what is the definition of "population" for the question?  All carries?  Only legal carries?

Also the definitions of "carry", as well as "loaded", are what I would call "stretched" in some states.    e.g., in Georgia, a "loaded" gun is one where a loaded magazine is nearby (readily available) even if the chamber is empty and the magazine is not in the gun! 

One place of data to consider is a listing of confiscated guns.   It may be skewed, but worth considering.  The Savannah PDs list is definitely populated with the "less expensive" models, not the S&Ws, Sigs, Walthers, and Glocks.

[garand4life]

Oddly that list has a lot of FNH in 5.7.... Just saying it is really odd that several $1000+ guns showed up on this list.

[fightingquaker13]

Alf has a point about legal and illegal CCW. Speaking hypothetically, a college grad who was managing an outfitters in suburban DC might have been denied a license, which were stupidly hard to get, the local cops had full disretion and the answer in Montgomery county was no. However, our hero still had to make night drops with days reciepts and decided to say f#ck it and risked the misdeamenor bust. The weapon of choice would have been a borrowed  off the books .38. Had that not been available, a disposable gun would have been bought off paper at a gun show, so if it was confiscated, no big loss.
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[the45guy]

Well
First I am surprised there is not more votes so far, however I am kind of in away surprised that glock is in the lead.

I know thats a funny statement, I'll try to explain I've been involved in and around LE for a very long time and the glock is widely used because of the simplicity and the low cost that agencies can get them for the most part.
Most of the time if given the choice the Fellow LE's I know and deal with on a daily basis would carry a 1911 or something other then glock.

I like glock as well as many other guns including of course the 1911. I carry both, alot of the time my backup is a glock.
Wether my primary is a glock or 1911 or something else I will use a glock for a bug when I carry a bug.

I hope I keep getting replies and votes!

OH and no votes for the xd, personally I din't care for the XD however some agencies are switching from glock to xd's.
Funny part about that the glock27 is still their BUG.

[ericire12]

Well
First I am surprised there is not more votes so far, however I am kind of in away surprised that glock is in the lead.

I know thats a funny statement, I'll try to explain I've been involved in and around LE for a very long time and the glock is widely used because of the simplicity and the low cost that agencies can get them for the most part.
Most of the time if given the choice the Fellow LE's I know and deal with on a daily basis would carry a 1911 or something other then glock.

I like glock as well as many other guns including of course the 1911. I carry both, alot of the time my backup is a glock.
Wether my primary is a glock or 1911 or something else I will use a glock for a bug when I carry a bug.

I hope I keep getting replies and votes!

Everybody I know who conducts CWP training classes always says that the vast majority (75% +) of the guns in the classes are Glocks. When I took my CWP class I was the only one with a Glock and the instructor could not get over it. He said that the previous class he did was all Glocks except for one.

[the45guy]

Everybody I know who conducts CWP training classes always says that the vast majority (75% +) of the guns in the classes are Glocks. When I took my CWP class I was the only one with a Glock and the instructor could not get over it. He said that the previous class he did was all Glocks except for one.

I hear you.

I guess maybe a guy can only say that the dominant gun carried by the non-law-enforcement public (Is what works best or can be handled the best for each individual is the dominant one). I know when I was training I always seen mostly glocks but the reason was every one thinks there is no other gun more reliable.
I know a lot of guys I talk to say I don't carry a 1911 because there is to much maint. to keep them reliable don't figure.

It's a subject I could ramble on about forever I guess.

[ratcatcher55]

"I agree if someone go's through the ccw process, they will tend to get at least a base line quality pistol, probably based on the instructors recommendations. If they try to pass the course using a lorcin, bryco, jennings, I would be surprised if they could pass the course, in accuracy or reliability, but stranger things have happened.

In base line revolvers, Rossi, Taurus, I like the Taurus better, quality seems much higher"

Add HiPoints, old EA Witness, Keltek, older Ruger Autoloaders

When they start shooting they ususlly see the error of their ways.
A friend who teaches the CCW course here in KY says if she sees the shooter with a decent 1911, HK , Sig or S&W revolver they usually have no problems. Glocks are 50/50. The rest seem to have learned their gunhandling and markmanship from the TV.

[Timothy]

Here in Assachusetts with some of the most draconian BS laws on the books, this is the course you MUST take...

The class is 4 hours in length minimum, NO live fire, NO loading of the gun, NO unloading of the gun, depending on the instructor, you may actually hold a gun but not everybody does this.

Goes something like this..."here's a firearm, this is the muzzle, this is the trigger, this is the "clip" or "magazine" or "cylinder" where the boolits go and when you pull back on the trigger, the boolits come out the muzzle end REAL fast so don't look down there!"

Please make the check out to......._____________________in the amount of ___________________...

Done!  Send your Official Certificate of Training to the Chief of Polilce in your town and make check out to "Town of XYZ" in the amount of 100 bucks with the appropriate forms.

It's rediculous.....or am I repeating myself, again....