This is a cutt'ed and pasted quote from another forum regarding Haiti

[Tyler Durden]

From some other NOT to be divulged quasi-gun related forum there is this quote:

I propose bringing every single Haitian to the U.S. for a decade, house them in our foreclosurevilles and in depopulated cities like Detroit and Las Vegas, and educate and train them. They can work out a decent government while they are here. Meanwhile, rebuild their country to First World standards and replant their forests. Then send them all home again. We would probably spend less than has been spent from 1994 to present on Haiti.

Okay...I am going to go deliberately out of my way to NOT comment or editorialize on that...just so's I don't taint my own thread here.

Just go ahead and discuss this amongst yourselves.  I'll just sit back and watch and read for a while.

[fightingquaker13]

A vote from the SE FL. coast? Umm....., no, and oh by the way f..k NO (M'lettes filter be darned). I can deal with the Cubans, but one Haitan is one too many as far I'm concerned. Aid, yes. An earth quake can happen anywhere, and is no one's fault. Refugees? No. Haitians tend to be a very loud, obnoxious and demanding lot with a deep seated sense of entitelment. You don't see this from Bahamians, Jamaicans or Guatemalans. The Cubans are an arrogant bunch, but at least they work hard and are successful. Haitians tend to bring with them a culture of failure. Not racism, just the fact that there are cultural differences among nations and as far as I'm concerned the only good thing to come out of Haiti is Barbancourt Rhum.
FQ13 who has shot all PC street cred to hell and doesn't care.
PS f..k NO!!!!!!

[SwoopSJ]

Hmmm, I'm not sure where to begin after reading that statement.  Oh yeah... that is one of the dumbest things I've ever read, and that is including the steady stream of political swill out of D.C.  My i.q. has now plummeted due to its infectious stupidity.  When, in the future, I begin to doubt my own intelligence, I'll think back to that statement and gain new perspective.  I may not be the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but at least I emit a little light.  

Swoop

[tombogan03884]

The comment that it would be cheaper in the long run is true up to a point, the US has been wasting aid money on the sh!thole since the Slave revolt that threw out the French in 1810 ( ish ).
It just goes to prove my point that money spent on international welfare is wasted.
What we SHOULD do, is cut them off, they will either get their act together or they will all die, either way , problem solved.
And that isn't racism because I have the same opinion about Europe, next time Germany takes France we should make them KEEP the darn place.

[r_w]

Until last Tuesday, January 12, at 5:00 PM Port au Prince was a city of two million people with no drinkable water, no sanitation, insufficient schools, inadequate hospitals.  Now it is a city ruined by a 7.0 earthquake

From another blog. 

They forgot to mention no reliable internet, phone or power.

For background and disclosure:  I have two adopted daughters from Haiti, have been to most of the places and know many of the missionaries they have shown on CNN this week, spent time in their government system.  I have spent way too much time this week worrying and wondering. 

It is impossible for me to put into words what a trip there was like--it was SO INTENSE you thought it had to be a movie because no place could possibly really be like this.  The city scenes in the movie "Blood Diamond" are the closest I have seen, but the movie roads were MUCH better.  And you could't smell the movie. 

But we did see progress.  There was definite improvement in gov services (power, trash disposal, etc) right before the hurricanes hit.  That was a huge blow.  Then the government went into a blame session.  They finally were re-stabilizing.  Now this.

I don't know what you do now.  You can't walk away--there are a LOT of US citizens on the ground.  If you try to rebuild, it is a question of whose cronies (ours, theirs, or the UN's) skim the most money off.  DR doesn't even want it.  Haiti is not necessarily letting their people out, even if we offered to take them.  If we back out, would the UN just charge us (at cost plus) even more for when they stepped in? 

I do know there are good people there.  People that deserve a hand up, people that would not accept a hand out.  I do know many missionaries that will stay or return within weeks to help rebuild.  If we rebuilt the port, dropped of a few containers of building supplies, and got out of the way, I think good things would happen.  Or at least we wouldn't spend as much to get the same results as we have now.

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[Texas_Bryan]

Now that the hurricane season is over, for now, take some of the relief stockpiles, tents, MREs, medicine, load them up on helo's or Coast Guard ships and send them over rebuild the stock piles with the feds picking up a portion of the cost.  Carriers should be there by now, that's water, limited amounts of electrical power, and medical aid.  That'll keep people alive, have your boys in the UN, which are so fond of shell out there money, sarcasm, drop some of their cash and start moving bulldozers over to clear the mess.  Let the Haitians figure out how, or even if, they want to rebuild their country.

Since when can you displace a people, settle them into a new home, then displace them again?

Tom, you could just let them die, which without help that'll probably happen, but that don't sit right with me, not until we know the cost of helping them, and its effectiveness.  Of course if we do, they'll probably just revert back to the same society, or never change to begin with.  Let's just see what we can do on the cheap.  What really irks me is that I seen headlines, "Haitians anger over slow relief efforts."  As though we owe them sh#%.

[Rob10ring]

I propose bringing every single Haitian to the U.S. for a decade, house them in our foreclosurevilles and in depopulated cities like Detroit and Las Vegas, and educate and train them. They can work out a decent government while they are here. Meanwhile, rebuild their country to First World standards and replant their forests. Then send them all home again. We would probably spend less than has been spent from 1994 to present on Haiti.

I don't want anyone to go through what those people are going through and the horrors that could still possibly await them - especially the children, but hell no to that plan. When it's time for them to go home under that plan, what happens to all of the people that have anchor babies while here? I can see how we are getting nowhere on that issue here in California.

[ellis4538]

Hey, we should send the stuff they haven't passed out yet from when Katrina hit!

FWIW

Richard

[jpr9954]

The comment that it would be cheaper in the long run is true up to a point, the US has been wasting aid money on the sh!thole since the Slave revolt that threw out the French in 1810 ( ish ).
It just goes to prove my point that money spent on international welfare is wasted.
What we SHOULD do, is cut them off, they will either get their act together or they will all die, either way , problem solved.
And that isn't racism because I have the same opinion about Europe, next time Germany takes France we should make them KEEP the darn place.

In the long run the underlying problems should be taken care of by France. It was their colony, they ran it in a hellishly brutal manner until the slave revolt of 1804, and then forced reparations on the Haitians that took until 1947 to pay off. It is why is one part of Hispaniola is OK - the Dominican Republic - and the other is the corrupt hellhole called Haiti. Let the refugees go to France - it may be the last hope to keep it from becoming a Muslim country.

Tonton Macoutes vs. Al-Qaeda in the streets of France? Heck, I'd pay money to watch it!

[tombogan03884]

"Tonton Macoutes vs. Al-Qaeda in the streets of France? Heck, I'd pay money to watch it!"

I'd put my money on the guys in the dark glasses, AQ has nothing to match REAL zombies (Serpant and the Rainbow )

rw and Texas Bryan, I realize that my suggestion sounds incredibly callous, and I will say that the the only Haitian I have personally known was one of the nicest guys I've ever met and the best Marine I ever served with, that being said, continually dumping in money has been a cruel joke and a waste of resources that has turned them into a dependent nation while making possible the corruption of the leaders.
The left refers to every American business overseas as being " Imperialist" and "Neo colonialism" they are not, they provide jobs and infrastructure. The true "Imperialism" and "Neo Colonialism" takes the form of turning an entire nation into a welfare case.
American industry was not not started with hand outs, European banks did not send money to America until the AMERICANS had started building things worth investing in, that method of supporting enterprise guaranteed that the money went where it would be effective instead of into the pockets of a few corrupt politicians. It also made the prosperity of the people the best interest of even the most corrupt politician because it limited their graft to tax revenues that were not available unless the people were doing well.

So while my post may SEEM harsh it seems like the most workable PERMANENT solution to the problem.