Why You Should Carry Even To Your Own Families House.

[twyacht]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9DAAR3O2&show_article=1

Chicago man apparently killed by daughter's dogs
Jan 18 01:50 PM US/Eastern

CHICAGO (AP) - Chicago police are investigating the death of a 56-year-old man who was apparently fatally mauled by his daughter's pit bulls.

The daughter told authorities she came home Sunday night and found her father, Johnny Wilson, lying on the living room floor, covered in blood. The Cook County Medical Examiner's office said Wilson suffered numerous bite wounds on various parts of his body.

The daughter turned over four adult pit bulls and two puppies to Chicago Animal Care and Control, where the dogs were being evaluated.

Neighbors said there was no sign of dog fighting at the residence, and that Wilson had never seemed to have any problem with the dogs in the past.

No charges had been filed as of Monday morning.

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Information from: Chicago Tribune, http://www.chicagotribune.com


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Too bad Chicago banned carrying a firearm....

[Paraguy]

As someone new to CCW, I would like to get opinions on the subject of how to handle 4 legged threats.  If a dog is behaving in a threatening manner can you take a pre-emotive shot or do you actually need to wait to get bit before using a concealed weapon to defend yourself?  Also, would it be advisable not to use a handgun if the owner is present but unable to control their animal? Obviously, if they attacked you would have no choice.
Again, you bring up an interesting topic and one I can hopefully learn from (which I seem to daily) from this forum.  Thanks in advance!

[alfsauve]

I've posted other incidents before, including the one where a lady was attacked and killed while "jogging" and when her husband came looking for here, the dogs killed him, too.

For one dog, my strategy, is to grab the collar (or enough of the neck) with my weak hand, so as to temporarily hold the dog at bay.  Then reach for whatever weapon is handiest, (knife, gun, crow bar) and neutralize the threat.   With guns you have to be careful about what's beyond the target, so a knife might be preferable in some cases.

For multiple animals, a gun is definitely preferable, and if possible should be used before they reach you.  

This is exactly why I carry to get the mail, the morning paper and to walk my precious little "Michael the Wonder Dog", even in my own fenced-in back yard.

[tt11758]

I've posted other incidents before, including the one where a lady was attacked and killed while "jogging" and when her husband came looking for here, the dogs killed him, too.

For one dog, my strategy, is to grab the collar (or enough of the neck) with my weak hand, so as to temporarily hold the dog at bay.  Then reach for whatever weapon is handiest, (knife, gun, crow bar) and neutralize the threat.   With guns you have to be careful about what's beyond the target, so a knife might be preferable in some cases.

For multiple animals, a gun is definitely preferable, and if possible should be used before they reach you.  

This is exactly why I carry to get the mail, the morning paper and to walk my precious little "Michael the Wonder Dog", even in my own fenced-in back yard.

I agree wholeheartedley.  As for when to shoot, I, for one, am NOT waiting for some drooling 150 pound chomping machine to use my ass for a chew toy before I neutralize the threat.

[twyacht]

I too have posted my personal attack by 2 dogs, not even considered "vicious" breeds, but large none the less. I carry a Kershaw pocket knife for a multitude of reasons, but was thankful I had it when they attacked. The little ankle biting "Toto's" are
usually are more bark than bite, but can usually be dealt with by a swift kick. Kinda like trying to make a 40yd Field Goal....Or just scruff them and throw them across the street, room, what have you,...

Big dogs however, regardless of breed, especially on the street/hiking trail/backroads,etc,.. in "pack" mode, or in a poorly fenced in yard in uber "protection/attack" mode, are a lethal threat.

Regardless, if the owner is there, and can't control them, you will have about 2-3 seconds to make your decision, the dog(s) if in "attack" mode will usually make the decision for you. They size you up, and instinct takes over almost instantly.

Two things will happen if you stand your ground, as running just triggers the "chase" response.
1: They will bark, lower their tail, and not attack.
2: They won't bark, growl in a low pitch, face you head on and charge.

At that point it's game over, you defend yourself, as Alf posted with any means you have. Knife, pistol, gouge eyeballs, death grip on throat, rip testicles, whatever it takes.  The initial attack by a big dog is to get you down and go for your face and throat, and it is blindingly fast and ruthless, defensive bites come from reflexively putting your hands, arms in front of your face. The dogs "fight/attack" response is balls to the wall, full tilt, 110% attack. There is no "moderate" dog attack.

If there is more than one dog getting ready to attack you, and I was legally carrying, I would not hesitate,.... shoot em'. I'll apologize to my daughter, owner, whoever, but I won't go down without a fight, whether their on 4 legs, or 2.

Good question, and of course, my humble opinion.

This response is not PETA approved.

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[Walter45Auto]

Poor Victim was probably scared of those dogs in the first place. Which don't help matters. As far as kicking at a dog, sometimes the dog is too fast and can dodge you. (My cousin's dog was when he was trying to bite me. NO I didnt shoot. was caryin a .22 rifle, but had plinked away all my ammo... had a knife, but my cousin was nearby, and I didnt want to kill that dog in front of her and her kids..... They ARE family after all.) In a lot of cases the big dogs can have their minds changed with a swift kick too. I've heard the advice to "Feed him your weak arm, and grab him by the throat with your strong." Whether I'd want to try it, I don't think so. 


I'd hate to shoot a dog..... usually get along better with dogs than with people anymore....

I once had to pull a 1 & 1/2 or 2 year old German shepherd off of a 9 month old puppy by the scruff of his neck....

[ericire12]

Its Chicago.... he couldnt carry anyway

[fightingquaker13]

I'm with the feed him your weak arm school. You try to grab a 60 pound plus dog byt the collar while he's coming at you and you'll lose. Hell, I sometimes miss when I try to grab my dogs collar when shes hell bent on getting out the door after a cat or possum. Dogs are fast. Stick an arm in their face and they'll bite, hopefully giving you the chance to press the muzzle against their chest and fire.  Frankly, people are stupid about dogs. I have a friend of my dads who has a pit that scares te crap out of me. Its aggressive and skittish and the same time, the worst combination. His son foisted it off on him. If it were me I'd have had it put down. Every time I visit, I have no idea if its going to piddle or take a bite out of me. Friend or no, I will shoot it if its more threatening than usual. You can always buy someone a new dog.
FQ13 who will make sure his very well mannered pooch doesn't read this post

[Timothy]

I don't remember who the post was from but he described how when he was attacked by a neighbors Staffordshire aka Pit Bull Terrier, he was able to get a shot off but the hollowpoint went right through the animal.  As others have posted, be very carefull if you have to commit to a shot.  One, because the body cavity of even a large dog at close range may not have enough density to expand the round and two, you're responsible for that bullet wherever it ends up...

I'll take the bite and make sure my target is busy while I first try and cut it's throat.  Firing my CCW in a residential area is something that is an absolute last resort and it had better be within bad breath range to ensure a good hit...

.20 with inflation.....

[ellis4538]

As stated CCW is not legal in Chicago.  In other areas where legal you need to check what action is allowed.  If I was faced with the possibility of facing dogs (wild or otherwise) I would probably carry shotshells in 2 of the chambers of a revo and something more potent after that plus SL or speed strip reloads.

JMHO

Richard