S&W .380 Bodyguard

[Overload]

There seems to be a differnence in size/weight between a Keltec 3AT and their PF9.  The PF9 weighs 50% more and is 10% thicker than the P3AT.  On the other hand, the P32 isn't much different in size than the P3AT.  Are all three blowback?

P32
Calibers: 32 AUTO
Weight unloaded: 6.6 oz. 186g
Length: 5.1" 129mm
Height: 3.5" 89mm
Width: .75" 19mm
Barrel Length: 2.7" 68mm
Capacity: 7 + 1 rounds

P3AT
Calibers: .380 AUTO
Weight unloaded: 8.3 oz. 235g
Length: 5.2" 132mm
Height: 3.5" 89mm
Width: .77" 20mm
Barrel Length: 2.7" 68mm
Capacity: 6 + 1 rounds

PF9
Calibers: 9mm Luger 9x19mm
Weight unloaded: 12.7 oz. 360g
Length: 5.85" 149mm
Height: 4.3" 109mm
Width: .88" 22mm
Barrel Length: 3.1" 80mm
Capacity: 7 + 1
 

[ericire12]

Yeah, but the PF9 was not really built to "pocket pistol" dimensions..... Its more along the lines of a single stack sub-compact. They could have made it the exact same dimensions as the P380 and still made it 9x19. It would weigh a little more then the P3 but it would still work. Perhaps the mag & mag well would have to be a bit wider, but not much at all if any.






See also:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=9437.0

[Overload]

Yeah, but the PF9 was not really built to "pocket pistol" dimensions..... Its more along the lines of a single stack sub-compact. They could have made it the exact same dimensions as the P380 and still made it 9x19. It would weigh a little more then the P3 but it would still work. Perhaps the mag & mag well would have to be a bit wider, but not much at all if any.

Given that Keltec has made 2 9mm pistols, a single stack and a double stack(PF9 & PF11), why HAVEN'T they made a P3AT sized gun in 9mm?  I just don't think you can, witnessed by the fact that one one has.  Can you imagine how demanded it would be?
  No one WANTS a .380, all would rather have a larger caliber, but it's a trade-off for the small size.

[ericire12]

Given that Keltec has made 2 9mm pistols, a single stack and a double stack(PF9 & PF11), why HAVEN'T they made a P3AT sized gun in 9mm?  I just don't think you can, witnessed by the fact that one one has.  Can you imagine how demanded it would be?
  No one WANTS a .380, all would rather have a larger caliber, but it's a trade-off for the small size.

Its in the works:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=9437.0


$600
7.1 oz



... And I completely agree with ya:
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=9437.msg122302#msg122302

[seeker_two]

Can you imagine how demanded it would be?

Can you imagine how much a gun like that would HURT to shoot?....   

Sometimes smaller isn't better.... 

[Sponsor]

[TAB]

The prob with 7.62 x25 is the length of the shell. 

The OAL ~ 1.345".   45 acp and 10 mm is 1.25"  380 is just under a inch. standard 9x19  is ~ 1.15".


If it was just a little bit shorter...

[Overload]

Can you imagine how much a gun like that would HURT to shoot?....   

Sometimes smaller isn't better.... 

I once read about a snubbie revolver designed for anti grizzly bear use in Alaska.  It was in a super major caliber (480 Alaskan?).  They said it would rip the web of your hand when you shot it.
Just like a 9mm pocket gun, I assume you're not supposed to shot/practice with it a lot.

[Combat Diver]

Which I've also heard about .380acp, .410 shotgun and .30 carbine.  Well, it's happened with the first two due to demand...

(still wondering why I can't load .308 bullets into 30 carbine brass)

Overload,

  What the issue of your .30 carbine cases?  Sizer too tight?  I have no problems with my dies, .308 bullets and brass.

CD

[Timothy]

Given that Keltec has made 2 9mm pistols, a single stack and a double stack(PF9 & PF11), why HAVEN'T they made a P3AT sized gun in 9mm?  I just don't think you can, witnessed by the fact that one one has.  Can you imagine how demanded it would be?
  No one WANTS a .380, all would rather have a larger caliber, but it's a trade-off for the small size.

Rohrbaugh makes a .380 and a 9mm in the same frame, both hold 6 rounds in the magazine.  Granted, it's a 1K gun but it can be done.

[Overload]

Overload,

  What the issue of your .30 carbine cases?  Sizer too tight?  I have no problems with my dies, .308 bullets and brass.

CD

I was mentioning that I couldn't load .308 bullets (like those used in the 7.62x51mm rounds) in my .30 carbine brass.  It would be like asking why I can't use 45/110 bullets in .45acp brass.  Both bullets have the same diameter, but are radically different in shape.  Even if I had room in the case to deep seat it won't work, mainly due to OAL of the loaded round.