Navy drops Sig and goes H&K

[twyacht]

HK made a SOCOM pistol available to the military years ago, I guess they finally got a big enough "fish/squids" to get the whole enchilada...

[TAB]

The seals can basicly use what ever they want, a 45 packs alot more punch and sub sonic speeds then a 9x19 does.   

[garand4life]

Is there any reason to switch... really? What about the whole load of crap about military contracts only going to companies that produce the product here in the US? Sig built an entire facility here to meet that requirement. What is HK going to do?

[Neon Knight Anubis]

Its only a supplemental weapon, like the SOCOM Mk 23. The main battle pistol is still the P226. Also, the HK 45 was designed predominantly by Larry Vickers and is being produced by the American branch of HK.

SEALS have also been known to use 357 revolvers as a sidearm on occasion, particularly missions that require prolonged time underwater.

[MikeO]

IIRC, NCIS has or is in the process of switching from the 9mm M11 to the SIG P229 in 40S&W.

There are plenty of holes in the Buy America Act to drive HKs, SIGs, Berettas, etc through. For contracting purposes, all their US operations are considered "American" companies.

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[Kilroy]

...replacing the SIG P226 for personnel in certain roles.

The title is a bit misleading.  "..certain roles." speaks to mission specific needs.  The article should not be interpreted to actually mean that the Navy dropped Sig.

[fightingquaker13]

And here is where I wipe the Kool-aid from my lips and reccomend a Glock in .45. Monkey simple, cheap, proven in every PD world wide, and goes bang every time. Honestly, the average squid will never see combat. They'll be part of the the 3000 plus crew that keeps 200 aviators in the air. They should be be drilled on wrench work, not pistol marksmanship. (And no Tim, thats not a slam, just an aknowledgement that a carrier jet jockey  ain't worth crap wtihout a carrier to land on).Someone has to take care of the boat and the planes. Still, the idea of a handgun is to be  simple, reliable, and accurate enough  to do the job inside of 25 yards. Idiot proofed in every way possible. This seems to describe Glock to a T. No one's first choice for anything, but good enough for everything. Just like a Reminton 870 or an AK, good enough for what it's for, and stone ax  simple. Issue these in .45 and I see no problems.
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[Solus]

Tom, you know we don't got no mo' Battleships in commision........Big MO was the last I think!

But your point is well taken.......

I did not know that.  And I'd like to know the reasons...not that I disagree with it...I just want to understand the changing face of warfare?

Were they 'sitting ducks' for air and missile attacks?  Was their mission better met by other resources?  Too slow to respond?

[fightingquaker13]

I did not know that.  And I'd like to know the reasons...not that I disagree with it...I just want to understand the changing face of warfare?

Were they 'sitting ducks' for air and missile attacks?  Was their mission better met by other resources?  Too slow to respond?

They are nothing but a floating artillery platform. Anything a battleship can do, carrier launched aircraft and Tomahawk equiped destroyers can do, and from a longer range and with greater precision. The exception would seem to be softening up a landing beach.
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[tombogan03884]

They were to big and expensive, after the advent of the Air Craft Carrier the Battleships day was done.
Their only real purpose was to sink other battleships, and when the day of the "Fleet action" died so did their purpose.