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People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« on: January 28, 2010, 04:42:20 PM »
I just ran across this article, and while I realize it is nearly 3 years old, it bears repeating.  Besides, I'm sure it will light the fuse on TAB's tampon, which is ALMOST reason enough to post it.  ;D

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/04/18/2007-04-18_people_dont_stop_killers_people_with_gun.html

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People don't stop killers. People with guns do
By Glenn Reynolds

Wednesday, April 18th 2007, 4:00 AM

On Monday, as the news of the Virginia Tech shootings was unfolding, I went into my advanced constitutional law seminar to find one of my students upset. My student, Tara Wyllie, has a permit to carry a gun in Tennessee, but she isn't allowed to have a weapon on campus. That left her feeling unsafe. "Why couldn't we meet off campus today?" she asked.

Virginia Tech graduate student Bradford Wiles also has a permit to carry a gun, in Virginia. But on the day of the shootings, he would have been unarmed for the same reason: Like the University of Tennessee, where I teach, Virginia Tech bans guns on campus.

In The Roanoke Times last year - after another campus incident, when a dangerous escaped inmate was roaming the campus - Wiles wrote that, when his class was evacuated, "Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness. That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself."

Wiles reported that when he told a professor how he felt, the professor responded that she would have felt safer if he had had a gun, too.

What's more, she would have been safer. That's how I feel about my student (one of a few I know who have gun carry permits), as well. She's a responsible adult; I trust her not to use her gun improperly, and if something bad happened, I'd want her to be armed because I trust her to respond appropriately, making the rest of us safer.

Virginia Tech doesn't have that kind of trust in its students (or its faculty, for that matter). Neither does the University of Tennessee. Both think that by making their campuses "gun-free," they'll make people safer, when in fact they're only disarming the people who follow rules, law-abiding people who are no danger at all.

This merely ensures that the murderers have a free hand. If there were more responsible, armed people on campuses, mass murder would be harder.

In fact, some mass shootings have been stopped by armed citizens. Though press accounts downplayed it, the 2002 shooting at Appalachian Law School was stopped when a student retrieved a gun from his car and confronted the shooter. Likewise, Pearl, Miss., school shooter Luke Woodham was stopped when the school's vice principal took a .45 fromhis truck and ran to the scene. In February's Utah mall shooting, it was an off-duty police officer who happened to be on the scene and carrying a gun.

Police can't be everywhere, and as incidents from Columbine to Virginia Tech demonstrate, by the time they show up at a mass shooting, it's usually too late. On the other hand, one group of people is, by definition, always on the scene: the victims. Only if they're armed, they may wind up not being victims at all.

"Gun-free zones" are premised on a fantasy: That murderers will follow rules, and that people like my student, or Bradford Wiles, are a greater danger to those around them than crazed killers like Cho Seung-hui. That's an insult. Sometimes, it's a deadly one.

Reynolds is Beauchamp Brogan distinguished professor of law at the University of Tennessee. He is the author of the book "An Army of Davids" and blogs at instapundit.com.



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Re: People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 05:20:53 PM »
This is absolutely true.... I work at a hospital and when the shooting happened last year in a Boston hospital of a Doctor, and she was saved by an armed off duty cop, I mentioned to the chief of security how wise our gun free rule was and he said that it couldn't happened here... In an active shooting situation (code silver) staff is supposed to make sure our patients stay in their rooms... Brilliant... The Supreme Court has ruled that the police aren't liable for any individual's safety, so who is? Scary indeed.....
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Re: People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 05:29:37 PM »
Just got me thinking about Gun Free Zones.

Why stop there. 

Think how Tornado Free Zones would benefit many places, schools, playgrounds and mobile home parts especially.

Then No Flood Zones would help all the folks who live is the bottom areas.  The New Orleans disaster may have well been averted had we acted in time.

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Re: People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 05:38:14 PM »
 Liberal free zones?  ;D
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Re: People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 05:49:30 PM »
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Re: People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 06:06:08 PM »
Liberal free zones?  ;D


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Re: People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 06:08:29 PM »
Gee guys...why so negative?  That "Gun Free Zone" sign outside the mall is downright Fierce, it has to work....   ;)
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Re: People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 06:14:38 PM »

From your mouth to God's ears.
I'll put a word in to The Big Guy for it tonight before bed! ;D
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Re: People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 06:16:47 PM »
Just got me thinking about Gun Free Zones.

Why stop there. 

Think how Tornado Free Zones would benefit many places, schools, playgrounds and mobile home parts especially.

Then No Flood Zones would help all the folks who live is the bottom areas.  The New Orleans disaster may have well been averted had we acted in time.



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Re: People Don't Stop Killers, People With GUNS Do
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 06:58:17 PM »
Several times, large numbers of people have litterly swarmed a gun men to stop him.  There have also be times when a sinlge unarmed person has done the same.  So saying only people with guns can stop these people, is incorrect.

a gun is a tool, with out the person using it, its nothing more then a metal rock.
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