"That can't happen here!"

[fullautovalmet76]

As I watched that video from 2005, I was thinking what if they came to my door and demanded I leave and/or give up my guns....what would I do?.....I'm afraid I would be a martyr for my beliefs because there is no f'ing way I'm giving them my guns. I know the feds read this blog and I stand by what I write here. I know they will have a body bag for me but they will probably need a few extra for them too...

No bravado or B.S. here but I'm just saying what's in my heart on this one....

[twyacht]

Maybe it's state or geographical, or something. I met National Guard troops in coastal NC wearing a very visible side arm, right after Hurricane Fran, they were only interested in our well being, and if we had provisions, they even gave us MRE's. Told us help is coming, and it might be a couple more days to get the roads bulldozed "covered in sand", and power restored.

They wished us well, and we were.

Now that I'm back in S. Fl, I'm with FullAuto. You can't have them, I'm fine, please leave my property. If it escalates from there, they started it.

I am protecting myself and my property. Please help those who really need it.

[ericire12]

Maybe it's state or geographical, or something. I met National Guard troops in coastal NC wearing a very visible side arm, right after Hurricane Fran, they were only interested in our well being, and if we had provisions, they even gave us MRE's. Told us help is coming, and it might be a couple more days to get the roads bulldozed "covered in sand", and power restored.

They wished us well, and we were.

Now that I'm back in S. Fl, I'm with FullAuto. You can't have them, I'm fine, please leave my property. If it escalates from there, they started it.

I am protecting myself and my property. Please help those who really need it.

And that is how it is supposed to operate here in America.

[fightingquaker13]

In theory, I agree. Reality, even if you "win" you'll be doing life at best. Forcing you to leave is Constitutionally ok. Clearing an area to prevent looting, or preventing someone from risking their life to rescue your stubborn ass are legally valid reasons to forcibly evacuate you. Forcing you to turn over firearms isn't legally valid. Still, the only legal excuse to kill someone for civilians is in defense of life, not property, and certainley not legal POVs. This is doubly true if you are shooting cops (even if they did have it coming).
 "Why did you shoot the officer"?
"He tried to take my gun in violation of my 2A rights".
"Why didn't you comply and sue later"?
"Because I stand foursquare for the 2A".
You'll be on death row faster than you can say dumbass. The only justifiable reason you could offer is if there was a clear and present danger that complying with an illegal order would mean an immanent and proveable danger to your life. That would give you a fighting chance with the right jury (which you won't get). Otherwise, you're screwed. Giving up the gun MAY endanger you. Not giving it up sure as hell will. Plus giving up the one or two visible ones peacefully might prevent them from frisking you or searching your bag for the BUGS.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

FQ, you are as usual on this type of subject, WRONG.
Every hear of Harry Truman ?
Not that one, the old guy who refused to leave his cabin on Mount St. Helens.
The fact is that there is no legal mechanism that allows the Govt. to FORCE any one to evacuate.
As to shooting the Officer, 2A never enters into it, You were resisting a robbery by an armed assailant operating under color of the law. To put it another way, you were resisting the theft of your property by an armed intruder .
Then of course theres always "Shoot, shovel, Shut up ".

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[fightingquaker13]

FQ, you are as usual on this type of subject, WRONG.
Every hear of Harry Truman ?
Not that one, the old guy who refused to leave his cabin on Mount St. Helens.
The fact is that there is no legal mechanism that allows the Govt. to FORCE any one to evacuate.
As to shooting the Officer, 2A never enters into it, You were resisting a robbery by an armed assailant operating under color of the law. To put it another way, you were resisting the theft of your property by an armed intruder .
Then of course theres always "Shoot, shovel, Shut up ".

your last point is the only one that is correct. Do what you will, but understand that you will have zero legal defence. My advice? Give up what's visible or hope they never find the bodies or a witness. Otherwise, you are screwed.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

 That's the difference between a "moderate", and the men who built this country, you have ideas that vanish in the face of authority, legitimate or not . They on the other hand stood by PRINCIPLES and damn the consequences.
You seem like a nice enough guy, but you have been in Academe to long. You would not make a pimple on Lew Armistead's azz.

[fightingquaker13]

That's the difference between a "moderate", and the men who built this country, you have ideas that vanish in the face of authority, legitimate or not . They on the other hand stood by PRINCIPLES and damn the consequences.
You seem like a nice enough guy, but you have been in Academe to long. You would not make a pimple on Lew Armistead's azz.

On the contrary Tom. A smart man picks his fights wisely. Alone with cops pointing guns, you lose, and die, for what? Pride? Better to give them what they can see and move on with the BUGs to fight another day. The definition of a fool is to fight on his enemy's terms and play by his enemy's rules just to satisfy his ego. Its not about balls, but brains. Live to fight another day. That way you are still fighting, rather than laying dead hoping someone will write a song about you. (but maybe that's just the Army vs. the Marines)
FQ13 who is an unapologetic sneaky sob

[tombogan03884]

Remember what Zapata said, It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. You should skip the ammo and buy knee pads because that is not being sneaky it is merely a justification for surrender.
But maybe that's why the Marines had to evacuate the Armies wounded from Chosin Resevior (in the Armies abandoned trucks ) and walk patrols in front of the Armies lines.

[fightingquaker13]

Remember what Zapata said, It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. You should skip the ammo and buy knee pads because that is not being sneaky it is merely a justification for surrender.
But maybe that's why the Marines had to evacuate the Armies wounded from Chosin Resevior (in the Armies abandoned trucks ) and walk patrols in front of the Armies lines.

I think the difference between us boils down to this. You seem to be advocating dieing for a principle, where I am advocating fighting for one. You need to be alive to fight. Plus, stepping back from the political rhetoric, lets look at things objectively. The gun is a tool, just like any other. If it helps you survive, keep it. If it gets in the way, sh*tcan it. Nothing sacred about a gun, anymore than a  tarp or an e-tool. If having a gun helps to keep you alive, fight for it. If dropping it down a storm drain helps, do that instead. Lets drop the rhetoric and look at things pragmatically. I didn't buy my guns to make a suicide pact. I bought them the same way I bought my canoe, tent, back pack and bug spray. Tools. Nothing less, nothing more.
FQ13