"That can't happen here!"

[tombogan03884]

I think the difference between us boils down to this. You seem to be advocating dieing for a principle, where I am advocating fighting for one. You need to be alive to fight. Plus, stepping back from the political rhetoric, lets look at things objectively. The gun is a tool, just like any other. If it helps you survive, keep it. If it gets in the way, sh*tcan it. [size=2[]0pt]Nothing sacred about a gun, anymore than a  tarp or an e-tool.[/size] If having a gun helps to keep you alive, fight for it. If dropping it down a storm drain helps, do that instead. Lets drop the rhetoric and look at things pragmatically. I didn't buy my guns to make a suicide pact. I bought them the same way I bought my canoe, tent, back pack and bug spray. Tools. Nothing less, nothing more.
FQ13

That's right, and I'm not going to let some coc$suc%er steal those from me either.
The difference between you and I is that you have been protected in schools all your life and I have been in the real world, And playing army in college doesn't count for much more than Cub Scouts does. In the REAL World only a victim goes out front to see who all those people are.

[twyacht]

"Nothing Less, Nothing More?"

Last time I checked the Constitution was irrelevant when it came to a hammer, screw-gun, stapler.....

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
(Tench Coxe in ‘Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym ‘A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
Daniel Webster

"There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face."
Krusty the Clown

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..."
Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, 1798 - Sam Adams

C'mon FQ, at some point this has to make sense. Lose the " I fought the law, and the law won" mindset. At this point, precedent has been set. New Orleans admitted the unconstitutionality of gun seizures. How about if it was your grandmother, well provisioned, prepared, not flooded, and had an old .38. Than some jack booted thug bangs on the door, throws her down, confiscates the old pistol, than has her house ransacked by corrupt N.O. city workers, after the cops leave, and she goes to jail. Only to have her charges dismissed and her old .38 just "disappear".... I call BS on that....

Katrina (in N.O.) was and never will be America. This is stuff that happens in countries we bitch about on other threads, and Nazi stormtroopers "rounding up Jews" in the early 40's. Stalin and Saddam making your Uncle "disappear",.... You didn't hear about this crap in Mississippi, or Texas.

I am not a military vet, but I am a hurricane vet, several times over. Castle Doctrine applies, and all LEO's, and NG troops I talked to before, during, and after, all wished me well, warned me of the isolation and danger for several days, and recommended being armed.

Rant off.

[fightingquaker13]

"Nothing Less, Nothing More?"

Last time I checked the Constitution was irrelevant when it came to a hammer, screw-gun, stapler.....

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
(Tench Coxe in ‘Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution' under the Pseudonym ‘A Pennsylvanian' in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 1)

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
Daniel Webster

"There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face."
Krusty the Clown

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..."
Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, 1798 - Sam Adams

C'mon FQ, at some point this has to make sense. Lose the " I fought the law, and the law won" mindset. At this point, precedent has been set. New Orleans admitted the unconstitutionality of gun seizures. How about if it was your grandmother, well provisioned, prepared, not flooded, and had an old .38. Than some jack booted thug bangs on the door, throws her down, confiscates the old pistol, than has her house ransacked by corrupt N.O. city workers, after the cops leave, and she goes to jail. Only to have her charges dismissed and her old .38 just "disappear".... I call BS on that....

Katrina (in N.O.) was and never will be America. This is stuff that happens in countries we bitch about on other threads, and Nazi stormtroopers "rounding up Jews" in the early 40's. Stalin and Saddam making your Uncle "disappear",.... You didn't hear about this crap in Mississippi, or Texas.

I am not a military vet, but I am a hurricane vet, several times over. Castle Doctrine applies, and all LEO's, and NG troops I talked to before, during, and after, all wished me well, warned me of the isolation and danger for several days, and recommended being armed.

Rant off.

Rant as much as you want because I don't disagree with a word you'e said. My point was simply that shooting cops to keep your gun is a bad idea. This doesn't strike me as a particularly radical POV. You and I could both find ourselves in Katrina come July. The thing is, if the nice armed man with the body armor, radio, air support, and AR wants my gun, and if I know he'll go away if I give it to him, its his. Hopefully, if I obey cheerfully ( , oh sorry, ) he won't search the house or my person for more guns. The point is, I have the gun to get me OUT of life threatening touble post hurricane, not into it.
FQ13

[twyacht]

There were Mandatory Evacuations for all NON-homeowners on Carolina Beach, the short-term renters, the hotels/motels, the weekend warriors, all had to go. This was verified with a copy of your power bill, and locals were issued a resident sticker for their vehicle.

All that said, and the looooonnnnnng time it takes for a hurricane to make landfall, the Carolina Beach cops drove the streets, "urged" us to leave, but could not enforce the property rights of homeowners. It was done to let them know when the winds are 125 sustained, and the water is rising, you can't call 911 and say "OK, My bad, come and get me".... They are not coming.

What happened AFTER Katrina, was the crime. The Chief of Police, under the complete Capt. Clueless Mayor Nagen, allowed this to happen. There was no need to run these folks out and "seize" their firearms.

I'll quote Jerry Garcia/Grateful Dead:

If you got a warrant, I guess your gonna come in...

.(probable cause etc,.... comes into play). State of Emergencies can be taken advantage of by gov't (state, local, etc,..) but the Constitutional Rights of Citizens supercedes it, on their own property.

HOWEVER, if you don't have warrant, and I'm on MY property, I will politely and respectfully tell them to get off of it. We saw the video of the old man on his flooded porch in the mid west tell the Deputy Sheriff to do just that. "In words I can't post"

If a "LEO, NG" bangs on my door, I will be polite, if he tells me to leave my home, I will remain polite and say no, I don;t have to tell him I have firearms, and am under no obligation to provide him any info, except my name, and we do not need medical or emergency personnel.

That's it. ...Hopefully this upcoming hurricane season, will be like last years. Than I'll thank Al Gore for the "climate change"...