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The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« on: February 16, 2010, 05:03:21 PM »
 Today, I go out to lunch with my mom. We hit our local Fridays, which has an early happy hour with cheap appetetizers and, $3 barefoot chard for her and Sam Adams for me. Knowing we were going to have a couple, I leave the gun at home (legal to drive does not equal legal to carry). So, we return to my mom's house. Shes pulling into her drive (blinker on) and this idiot blows by on her left. She almost hits him and gives a short beep. We pull into the house, and the very manly mini-cooper ::) backs up. Out gets this bald, muscle bound guy in his thirties wearing scrubs. Me, Im not driving, I didn't honk and figured I could easily deescalate this with a smile and a soft word. While I was a little  uneasy with the guys body language, I was not particularly worried by a white guy in scrubs driving a high dollar car in an upper middle class neighborhood. Bzzzt! Wrong answer! 
The guy is in my face, like baseball umpire, or DI in my face, before I'd said howdy, and when I simply mentioned my mom had beeped because she almost hit him, no accusation, no profanity, best soothing "cop voice" I have, he shoves me on my ass (laugh it up Eric ;D). He seemed to semi-come to his senses and offered a hand up, which I declined. He still has the "I'm going to kick your ass" body language (which he could have, because hello, muscle bound, and the attitude might have come from 'roid rage, asshat or not, the guy was built). Any way, he keeps asking "is That my fault? Is it?", while my mom is freaking, and while he was retreating, he definately wanted an answer so he would have an excuse to recomense hosilities, you could see it in his eyes and body lanuage. One word and it would have been game on. I just dialled 911 instead. He made no move to stop me, just kept asking, if it was his fault to us both while I was on the horn with dispatch, giving the address ::). He left. Deferring (against my better judgement) to my mom, I told the operator he'd apologized and left (he did offer me a hand up ::)) and that I was happy with the situation. She explained that she didn't want to put the guy in jail for 90 days for simple battery and then have him get out and come  looking for payback. Hard to argue with the logic.
I, on the other hand, was thoroughlly embarrassed. I made three dumb mistakes.
1 I let him get way too close, as in noses touching close. This was the smallest mistake as there was no way to back up without striking first or running, neither of which was an option, but still lesson learned.
2 I watched the guys face, not his arms. I thought he wanted to yell, not fight and so I tried to keep a steady eye contact and deescalat. This means I wasn't watching his hands. A shove I could have blocked or avoided went right through. DUMB mistake.
3 I listened to my mom and didn't have his ass thrown in jail.
The lesson learned from this was also a little scary. At the end of the day I was right in my assesment that I could descalate this. I just didn't realize that something this harmless initially, would end with me having a very sore tail bone and the cops on the phone. However, if I had been carrying......, Once I hit the ground  I realized this guy was crazy and my 68 year old mother was the one he was pissed at. When I ignored his hand, he turned away. Instead of just getting up, the hand would have been in the right pocket and there would have been zero warning since he was within shoving distance, and I definately was afraid of the crazy muscle bound guy (he'd probably have kicked my ass when I was 20 and in great shape, now no question). This woke me right the hell up. It was descalated, BUT it could have gone south if he decided to beat one or both of us to death, or if I'd shot his ass. Se la vie.
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Re: The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 05:19:11 PM »
wow........I have to think about this for awhile..
We always hear things like this and boldly talk smack saying "well If I was there I would have blah blah...
But I also know that when it comes on you this fast ..I don't think many of us would actually KNOW what is the right thing to do.. especially if your mom is there too, ...
I'd of hated to escalate it.. but then again.. he already had the jump on you with the surprise effect ..
I don't know what I would have done..

By the way.. excellent posting of it all.. I really felt like I got a first hand feel for it..

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Re: The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 05:25:40 PM »
Well FQ13, you will  never know how it would of worked if you were carrying. I dint know how it is in your state, but here in Montana.  If I had seen him get out of his car and look at all threatening I could have either displayed my gun or I could have drawn on him from a safe distances and hopefully it would ended right there. Glad to see you and your mother are all right. Next time lock your gun in the car when your in for lunch. Its better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it.

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Re: The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 05:31:19 PM »
Glad your mostly alright. In most places, this probably wouldn't have warranted introduction of a firearm. Especially, here in CA. This guy probably did need to taste the law. He may live as a bully all of the time and may eventually go much further on someone else.

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Re: The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 05:35:00 PM »
Things could have been worse.  Be glad you came away with nothing more serious than a sore ass and a bruised ego.

You are correct in your post-incident assessment.  The important thing is that you learn from this experience and add the knowledge to your arsenal of skills.

Glad you weren't hurt worse than you were.
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Re: The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 05:40:12 PM »
You're lucky you had a witness, otherwise it "wouldn't have happened". Good lessons learned.

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Re: The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 06:11:34 PM »
You may think you made mistakes, but I think you got the most important thing right....you lived to post another day.

Live & learn & let it go....  8)
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Re: The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 06:15:39 PM »
Quaker,
I'm sorry this happened to you and that it happened in front of your mother. I'm glad you're alright, though I'm sure your pride is a bit sore more than anything. This episode brought to mind a confrontation I had several years ago, and it is one of the main reasons I carry now- some guy at a gas station threatened to kill me because he believes I took his spot at the air pump.... ::)

I know we have the "no duty to retreat law" in Florida, but I'm not so sure how it would have worked out with you pulling a gun (hypothetically) on a person who gave no indication they were armed or were not threatening your life nor your mother's.

I hope you remember his face well....

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Re: The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 06:39:57 PM »
Quaker,
I'm sorry this happened to you and that it happened in front of your mother. I'm glad you're alright, though I'm sure your pride is a bit sore more than anything. This episode brought to mind a confrontation I had several years ago, and it is one of the main reasons I carry now- some guy at a gas station threatened to kill me because he believes I took his spot at the air pump.... ::)

I know we have the "no duty to retreat law" in Florida, but I'm not so sure how it would have worked out with you pulling a gun (hypothetically) on a person who gave no indication they were armed or were not threatening your life nor your mother's.

I hope you remember his face well....

See this is the thing Fullauto, I wouldn't have shot him because I was pissed, or my pride was injured. It happened way to fast for that. I was still in full bore WTF mode. I mean, it wasn't like my mom leaned on the horn, or flipped him off. It was a gentle beep when he'd almost caused a wreck. I didn't yell, didn't ""bow up" posture wise, and gave him my name and asked if I could help, and explained the beep. Next I know, his nose is litteraly touching mine, his face is red, spit is coming out of his mouth, and I'm on my ass. If it were just me, the gun would probably have stayed where it was. BUT, I knew that the one he was REALLY pissed at was my mother. No way I could stop him physically without a weapon. So, what to do? Thats why I posted this. I know the first question asked by the cops would be "Why shoot an unarmed man"? My answer was that he was strong, behaving irrationally and assaulted me with zero provocation (on my mom's property BTW) and I had no reason to think my life and hers wasn't in danger. Its still a close call. Short of me learning how to beat up a guy 10 years younger and in better shape than most folks on this board overnight, what's the consensus advice?
FQ13 who really is stumped here for the "right" answer and still isn't really pissed at the guy or embarrassed (I wouldn't have posted if I was). Thing is, he was bigger, stronger and younger than me, nothing to be ashamed of there. Second, I'm still more wondering "who pissed in his cheerios"? than be mad. It was just a weird day.

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Re: The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2010, 07:23:47 PM »
FQ, you handled it well and should be proud of yourself for maintaining your head in a really tough situation.  I think you just came up with a marvelous scenario for a future Best Defense episode.  I'd love to hear from Michael J and Rob on this one.

Get some Ben Gay on that bruise and be grateful that you are both alright.  I'm still betting if you had drawn a pistol on this nut job that he would have shown his true colors and backed down......on the other hand.......
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