The One Day I Don't Freaking Carry

[Pathfinder]

I have a different take on this. Again, not knowing the specifics of FL law, here's how I would see it, since he made a point of:
1. stopping
2. backing up
3. getting out of his car
4. trespassing on your Mom's property

This was clear assault with intent and since your Mom was driving and was the one to use the horn, a reasonable person could be justified in showing (and using) deadly force. After he threw the punch and maintained his presence trespassing - absolutely. Draw, subdue and call 911.

Next time forgo the Sam Adams and pack.

Glad you both are safe. And also glad to see it's not just people here on DRTV you manage to piss off, even if by proxy!!!!   

[callithump]

I like FullAuto's 1, 2, and 3 as you are doing the defining and it is important to tell the offender to get off your property. In the final analysis the dude had his way with you and left on his own terms.
If you're caught in the open like that I think the key is keeping distance, not letting him close. If he does you have hard choices but if you couldn't make distance and pepper spray him with Fox Labs 10% maybe staying in the car with the windows rolled up......?
I've fogged my way out of trouble with more than 50 serious dog attacks... I'd trust it to pre-occupy someone long enough to either administer a nut kick or a get away.

[Tyler Durden]

I gotta ask...does the mom's house have a garage?

I only ask this because if there was a garage and she pulled the car in, if you had stayed inside the garage and he crossed that "threshold" where the garage door meets the driveway....then that would have been a much, much different story.

Also, I take it that mom has no external video cameras on her house.  It would have been nice to have caught that on videotape (or DVR), and taken it to the police. 

I've got two different stories about garages that I could thread drift this into, but I won't.  Let's just say that the next house I get, it's going to have a garage.

Glad to hear you are alright FQ.  Thanks for sharing your story with us.

Oh...and some food for thought...back when I used to be into forensic psychology and I used to punch cases into ViCap...most of your "predators" will take out the most viable threatening prey first (that would be you), and then they move onto the weaker witness/victim next.  This was most noticeable or mostly advertised with the movies and documentaries about the Zodiac killer.

So...you're not just fighting for yourself...you'd be fighting for your mom too.

[tombogan03884]

 He was Aggressive, physically violent, and considerably larger, than you . If you shot him from the ground the cops would have done the paperwork and told you to have a nice day.
If you are going to get the CCW
CARRY THE F-CKING THING !

[shooter32]

FQ, glad you and your mother are ok. Just goes to show why awareness is so important and keeping distance.

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[ellis4538]

Can't even imagine and am afraid to think what I'd have done!

Glad all went well.

Richard

[crusader rabbit]

FQ, the good part is neither your Mom nor you were seriously injured.  Pride does count, but not as much as physical injury.  As you know, here in Florida we have no duty to retreat, and the "castle doctrine" extends to your vehicle.  So, you might have had some 'splainin' to do, but you probably would not face a judge if you shot the b@st@rd--that is, if you didn't smell of Sam Adams when you pulled the trigger.  The smell of alcohol would, I think, change the results.  So, in this case, you were probably lucky. 

However, if you would have drawn your weapon the instant he got out of his car (with a 'roid rage crazed look) I feel rather confident that he would have immediately got back in his vehicle and driven off.  If he didn't, at that point you would know you had a real nutcase on your hands and two to center mass and one to the head would have been an appropriate.

I guess what I am saying here is that although it is against Florida law to carry at a bar, it's important to remember the "concealed" nature of carrying.  You could have left the piece in the car while you were inside, and re-armed yourself when you got back into the vehicle if you want to respect the letter of the law.  But, you should always have your piece with you.  Even in church. 

Always carry.  Always be aware of your surroundings, FQ, and when anything looks a little odd, be prepared to draw.  And give your Mom a kiss and some flowers and tell her she did just the right thing.

[ericire12]

This is a sticky situation. I'm not sure about Florida laws, but in my neck of the woods with an incident like this I normally could not bring a gun into the mix unless he has a weapon or is going after the old lady (threat of death or severe harm).

BUT.... The major difference here is that it was on your private property and not in the public square. I think if it had been me and I was packing, I would have presented a firearm immediately before he could even get on the lawn. If he still wanted to go, then he made the decision to advance on someone with a gun, and i would have used lethal force for fear of him getting the gun away from me and killing me and my mom (The way I remember it he was yelling that as he charged me across the yard  )

*Important to note: In my neck of the woods, its not brandishing if it is on your own property.... I can literally mow my lawn with an AK over my shoulder if I wanted to (Note to self... Buy an AK).

I think you did all you could with what you had to work with..... Yes, you could have possibly prepared your stance a little better to defense against an attack, but now you know. So, just relax, Quaker....... I'm sure this was not the first time you got f***ed and ended up with a sore butt, and it probably wont be the last

[ratcatcher55]

Consider it a learning experience.

OC does work, that’s why cops carry it. Get yourself some FOX OC and hose the SOB down before he gets to wrestling distance. NO WARNING OR THREATS. Just blast away and move off the line of attack. Go in the house with Mom, call the police and lock the doors.

We all learn more from or mistakes than our successes. I’m glad you and your mother are OK FQ13.

[fightingquaker13]

This is a sticky situation. I'm not sure about Florida laws, but in my neck of the woods with an incident like this I normally could not bring a gun into the mix unless he has a weapon or is going after the old lady (threat of death or severe harm).

BUT.... The major difference here is that it was on your private property and not in the public square. I think if it had been me and I was packing, I would have presented a firearm immediately before he could even get on the lawn. If he still wanted to go, then he made the decision to advance on someone with a gun, and i would have used lethal force for fear of him getting the gun away from me and killing me and my mom (The way I remember it he was yelling that as he charged me across the yard  )

*Important to note: In my neck of the woods, its not brandishing if it is on your own property.... I can literally mow my lawn with an AK over my shoulder if I wanted to (Note to self... Buy an AK).

I think you did all you could with what you had to work with..... Yes, you could have possibly prepared your stance a little better to defense against an attack, but now you know. So, just relax, Quaker....... I'm sure this was not the first time you got f***ed and ended up with a sore butt, and it probably wont be the last
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As much as I hate to admit it, that last line was actually funny as hell.
FQ13 whose only bruised (externally) butt experience involved this girl in grad school with way too many tattoos and piercings and............I'll just be in the corner with a goofy grin on my face.