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Re: Toyota to go before Congress
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2010, 12:01:33 PM »
My $.02 on this deal.


toyota was neglagent.


here is why I think that.

Murphy is a SOB.  Knowing that, one logically, would program the throttle control software to where when murphy strikes, the engine would not got to WOT.  GM, For example has a max of 40% throttle when the drive by wire system is throwing out errors.  Ford, MB, honda, BMW and several others have simlar systems.  Toyota does not.  why is it every one else was smart enough to figure it out, but toyota was not?   That is the big question.  I'd bet money is envoled in that answer.

It does not matter if some vendors part is bad or not, your software still has a HUGE oversite in it.

Now I can't speak for japan, but here in the states, every single engineering class, at some point teachs murphys law.
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Re: Toyota to go before Congress
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2010, 12:10:59 PM »
I have also heard of problems with the STEER BY WIRE system as well.

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Re: Toyota to go before Congress
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2010, 12:21:39 PM »
steer by wire,,, you have to be joking.  what dumb ass  would buy that?



The only reason they went to throttl by wire is to have more control over the engine to reduce emissions. 






PS yes I know they have fly by wire systems in aircraft, but you can't compare that with a car.    There is a reason why a new plane like a single engine cessna is $250k.   

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Re: Toyota to go before Congress
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2010, 12:39:55 PM »
Just a question, and I truly don't know the answer. Maybe someone else has a thought.

The EPA forces car manufacturers to integrate software designed at reducing emissions. Is it possible that this software (not produced by the manufacturer, but by a government controlled company) is to blame for many of the problems in the computer systems of our modern vehicles?

Again, not accusing, or defending anyone. Just a question.
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Re: Toyota to go before Congress
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2010, 12:56:28 PM »
One thing to learn is that the gummint rarely does anything. The gummint did not provide the software, only sets rules that the manufacturers have to follow when writing their own embedded code.

Case in point - Medicaid. Medicaid is state-run but Federally sponsored and predominantly paid system. The average cost for a new Medicaid system is $100 million dollars to build their own system - most of which are now rules-driven. The US gummint could have saved probably $3-4 billion by building a system, doling it out to the states, and letting the states write the rules for that state's Medicaid program. No, they let the states spend the money and simply set the rules for what the systems should do.

I doubt that Toyota did anything radically different from what the other manufacturers do. Remember, the gummint has a stake is killing or seriously injuring Toyota. Toyota is in direct competition with the gummint in the car business now. Toyota is the top car company in the country (maybe the world?) with a stellar reputation for quality and value. Do you think the American consumer will see Toyota that way any more?

So the gummint has done its job, all it is now is a circus - and we're getting suckered into the show, not the substance. Pay no attention to that (car czar) man behind the curtain.
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