Eliminating Concealed Carry Permits

[TAB]

I think OC  is going to go away some time in the next 10 years for most states.  Atleast in all of the larger citys.    I really doubt we will see anymore states droping CCWs simlar to Vermont/ alaska.  yeah it could happen, but I don't see, nor do I see it staying around very long if it does happen.

[crusader rabbit]

The open carry or the open zipper?
FQ13

Actually, FQ, I was reflecting on the Open Carry portion of that post.  But, I have a tenant in one of my rentals that's young, male, good looking and seemingly available, if you're interested

Submitted with tongue firmly planted in cheek, seeking a laugh, not casting aspersions,

Crusader

[scott.ballard]

Scott is probably aware that in NH all you need for open carry are a holster and something to put in it.
As for nation wide concealed carry with out a permit, Not in our life times if you wait for the courts.
It would require the election of TT and I or some one like us who would do it with an executive order.

That is what I was trying to ask.

My error.

Do we, as gun owners and some with CCW permits, ever see a point in the near future, say 5 years, where it may be possible to abolish CCW permits in their entirety?

Thanks,

[fightingquaker13]

That is what I was trying to ask.

My error.

Do we, as gun owners and some with CCW permits, ever see a point in the near future, say 5 years, where it may be possible to abolish CCW permits in their entirety?

Thanks,

No, and I'm not even sure we should seek it. In theory, yes, if you can own the gun you should be allowed to carry it. As a practical matter, no permit carry gives the antis something to scare the soccer moms with. As it is, in none of the thirty plus states that have a CCW law is there any serious attempt to repeal it. Getting the permit and taking the class is a small burden. A few bucks and a few hours and you're done. It lets the neutrals feel good and stay quiet (the way I like them). Also, I do like the fact that the course does make the applicable laws clear, in a consice and esily understood format so folks don't get into trouble through ignorance. Should it be recquired? No. But at the end of the day I don't see it as any more burdensome than a drivers test to get your license. What I do hope to see is all fifty states having CCW laws, no local premption and full reciprocity.
FQ13

[JC5123]

As a CCW holder, I do not think that we should allow concealed carry without a license. I think that licensing should be free of charge, but still require the background checks and some form of proficiency requirements. Sorry, although I believe everyone has the right to protect themselves I personally know a few people that would do more harm than good by carrying concealed. They are not criminals or unable to own a firearm, it's just that their attitude, and competence do not jive with the mindset that (I think) you should possess as a CCW holder. I don't want a cowboy, or a moron covering my back. The current licensing requirements are keeping these people from giving all of us a bad wrap.  

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[Solus]

As a CCW holder, I do not think that we should allow concealed carry without a license. I think that licensing should be free of charge, but still require the background checks and some form of proficiency requirements. Sorry, although I believe everyone has the right to protect themselves I personally know a few people that would do more harm than good by carrying concealed. They are not criminals or unable to own a firearm, it's just that their attitude, and competence do not jive with the mindset that (I think) you should possess as a CCW holder. I don't want a cowboy, or a moron covering my back. The current licensing requirements are keeping these people from giving all of us a bad wrap.  

Do you also think folks should go through the same process to carry openly?  Or do you think that some folks carrying concealed will do more harm than they would do carrying openly?

[saltydogbk]

I know this makes me "radical", but I really have a hard time when someone puts conditions on my RIGHT to keep and bear arms.  Some one can kill me with a hammer, but no one suggests classes for using them.  It goes along the same lines of if I don't shoot 50 cal, they can ban them because I shoot black rifles.  Oh wait, I shoot shotguns so take the black rifles.  I would own a Harpoon missile if it were legal.

[fightingquaker13]

I know this makes me "radical", but I really have a hard time when someone puts conditions on my RIGHT to keep and bear arms.  Some one can kill me with a hammer, but no one suggests classes for using them.  It goes along the same lines of if I don't shoot 50 cal, they can ban them because I shoot black rifles.  Oh wait, I shoot shotguns so take the black rifles.  I would own a Harpoon missile if it were legal.

I don't diagree salty. I'm just talking about practicality. If it costs me $85 for the course and $35 dollars for the permit and keeps everyone happy, thats $120 well spent. Besides, our right is to own guns not necesarily to carry them in the public square. Right now the Courts are still debating our right to "keep" arms. I'll wait for the dust to settle on that one before wading into the issue of what "bear" means.
FQ13

[JC5123]

Do you also think folks should go through the same process to carry openly?  Or do you think that some folks carrying concealed will do more harm than they would do carrying openly?

Do you think that gangbangers should be able to LEGALLY carry concealed just because they can (for the time being) pass a background check? I do agree with you that there should be few, if any restrictions. But I also know from my own experience (and I'm sure you do too) that some people just aren't mature enough to comprehend the responsiblity involved. I have no intention of infringing on their RIGHT to self defense. I just want to know that that person has demonstrated that they are competent. Some aren't.

[scott.ballard]

Getting the permit and taking the class is a small burden. A few bucks and a few hours and you're done. It lets the neutrals feel good and stay quiet (the way I like them). Also, I do like the fact that the course does make the applicable laws clear, in a consice and esily understood format so folks don't get into trouble through ignorance. Should it be recquired? No. But at the end of the day I don't see it as any more burdensome than a drivers test to get your license. What I do hope to see is all fifty states having CCW laws, no local premption and full reciprocity.
FQ13

What about the states where no class or demonstration of proficiency is required?  I would also counter that the applicable laws portion of any course, unless instructed by an attorney specializing is the state's firearms laws, is only as good as the door.

There is no constitutional provision for the right to drive. (yes I know driving is a privilege)  I do not need a permit to exercise any of my other rights.  Why should I be required to obtain one for my 2A rights?  I chose to keep my arms within the confines of my clothing.

I am all for full reciprocity but would that not require standardization of the requirements amongst the 50 states?

Solus makes a great point about open v. concealed carry!

Thanks FQ.  I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Stay Safe,