Police act swiftly after (LEGAL) gun purchases

[crusader rabbit]

I'm not disagreeing with you Haz, the thing is, based on the article we don't know that he DIDN'T leave screaming "I'll get you all !!!"As to the sales, if the cops are watching you they can track your bank account and credit card transactions. If this comes to trial I would bet money it will mention that he paid either by card or check.
Like I posted before, based on the info there is no "right" answer, would you rather know you let people be murdered , or look like a fascist a hole ?  

Not to be argumentative just for the sake of obstreporousness, but we kinda do know he didn't leave screaming.  How do we know?  Because that is too big an element to leave out of the story IF IT HAPPENED.  That would justify the entire police action.  That would reinforce the anti's rant about ease of purchase.  And, again to differ with you, there is a right answer:  Leave the guy alone until and unless he violates the law.  Watch him, sure.  But, leave him alone.


Starting to re-think my position on Tom and TT in 2012.

[WatchManUSA]

Like I posted before, based on the info there is no "right" answer, would you rather know you let people be murdered , or look like a fascist a hole ?  

Tom, this could be you.  Aren't you or haven't you recently been unemployed?  Don't you own guns?  Perhaps you have purchased a gun and/or ammunition over the past few months.  Haven't you posted on this forum a call for violence against elected officials?  Perhaps the government sees you as a threat.  Perhaps you are under surveillance.  Is that a knock on your door? 

I'm just sayin' if it can happen to him...

If more information comes to light I reserve the right to reconsider my post.

[tombogan03884]

Tom, this could be you.  Aren't you or haven't you recently been unemployed?  Don't you own guns?  Perhaps you have purchased a gun and/or ammunition over the past few months.  Haven't you posted on this forum a call for violence against elected officials?  Perhaps the government sees you as a threat.  Perhaps you are under surveillance.  Is that a knock on your door?  

I'm just sayin' if it can happen to him...

If more information comes to light I reserve the right to reconsider my post.

I hear what you are saying, and I am not real happy with the idea of "preventive actions".
There is one major difference between he and I, I was laid off due to the economy, beyond seniority my relationship with the company was not a factor, I left on good terms feeling I had been treated fairly. (As a matter of fact, I DID buy a couple guns afterward  )
 He on the other hand was Fired which indicates hard feeling to begin with, He was "disgruntled", this also indicates hostility.
So comparing him to me is apples and oranges.
Let me try it this way, If you had known Cho's mental records, and found out he had bought a couple guns (Legally ) would you have taken him off the street before he could violate the law with the Virginia Tech Shooting ?
when would be the time, safest for all concerned, to take him ? at home at 6AM when he is alone  but has not yet actually committed a crime, or wait until he actually draws in a crowded office and is all psyched for the conflict ?
We don't have enough information to know whether the cops prevented a shooting when they violated his rights.
I will also point out that performing other wise legal actions to further a criminal plan is in it's self illegal

[TAB]

fi they had known chos mental records, he would not have been able to buy guns legally.

[JC5123]

I hear what you are saying, and I am not real happy with the idea of "preventive actions".
There is one major difference between he and I, I was laid off due to the economy, beyond seniority my relationship with the company was not a factor, I left on good terms feeling I had been treated fairly. (As a matter of fact, I DID buy a couple guns afterward  )
 He on the other hand was Fired which indicates hard feeling to begin with, He was "disgruntled", this also indicates hostility.
So comparing him to me is apples and oranges.
Let me try it this way, If you had known Cho's mental records, and found out he had bought a couple guns (Legally ) would you have taken him off the street before he could violate the law with the Virginia Tech Shooting ?

That's a tough call, but at the same time not so tough. You simply cannot take someone off the street for something you think they might do. You and I both have made some pretty inflamitory comments here, but are those grounds for being arrested? Granted that some may argue yes, but still we live in a free society where unless you make a direct threat against someone, you have committed no crime. Hell even those that have are very hard to go after. How many times have we heard of women being killed by some deranged ex boyfriend, even after pleading with the courts for a restraining order. (That was never granted even with qualifying evidence)

And as for Virgina Tech. We all know that a change in the CCW policy would put an end to these mass shootings.

Not that I don't see the merit in your argument, I just think that it's a very slippery slope. Because where do you draw the line?

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[tombogan03884]

I haven't actually stated whether I approve or disapprove of what they did, they were presented with the above question , and they chose to err on the side of caution.

[WatchManUSA]

I hear what you are saying, and I am not real happy with the idea of "preventive actions".
There is one major difference between he and I, I was laid off due to the economy, beyond seniority my relationship with the company was not a factor, I left on good terms feeling I had been treated fairly. (As a matter of fact, I DID buy a couple guns afterward  )
 He on the other hand was Fired which indicates hard feeling to begin with, He was "disgruntled", this also indicates hostility.
So comparing him to me is apples and oranges.
Let me try it this way, If you had known Cho's mental records, and found out he had bought a couple guns (Legally ) would you have taken him off the street before he could violate the law with the Virginia Tech Shooting ?
when would be the time, safest for all concerned, to take him ? at home at 6AM when he is alone  but has not yet actually committed a crime, or wait until he actually draws in a crowded office and is all psyched for the conflict ?
We don't have enough information to know whether the cops prevented a shooting when they violated his rights.
I will also point out that performing other wise legal actions to further a criminal plan is in it's self illegal

You are interpreting your situation through your eyes - how would an aggressive police department view you?  Are you sure you weren't disgruntled?  Surely you were not happy about it.  Can you be sure they would see it the same way as you?  Isn't this why we have protections?

[Hazcat]

TOMBOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the hell have you been smoking!

Let me try it this way, If you had known Cho's mental records, and found out he had bought a couple guns (Legally ) would you have taken him off the street before he could violate the law with the Virginia Tech Shooting ?
when would be the time, safest for all concerned, to take him ? at home at 6AM when he is alone  but has not yet actually committed a crime,

NOT YET COMMITTED A CRIME!  Your words!  

or wait until he actually draws in a crowded office and is all psyched for the conflict ?

Now he has committed a crime and can be dealt with accordingly.  As I stated before "Living free can be dangerous but it sure beats the alternative!"

I will also point out that performing other wise legal actions to further a criminal plan is in it's self illeg

al

And we have the ability to know his intentions how?

TOM! get yer head out of yer butt or I'll start calling ya FQ/TAB Jr!

[Hazcat]

I haven't actually stated whether I approve or disapprove of what they did, they were presented with the above question , and they chose to err on the side of caution.

In this situation there is no 'err on the side of caution'.  There is only uphold the law or violate his rights!

[tombogan03884]

So they violated his rights. But I guarantee you, the lawyer for the police dept will use exactly those words in court.